Maybe it’s time to make cbb the place where pros go to retire. 18-25 year olds and some undereducated 35-40 year old retired pros.
Approximate pay for high major players per Jeff Goodman
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I posted about these prices weeks ago and people thought i was lying. Its basically the same price scale as qbs in football.
Thats when i warned people that 10 mil wouldn't be enough to compete with the elites. Not ming after, a story came out suggesting duke had as much as 50 mil. Its insane.
Pope is doing a great job st identifying value and trying to close early before a bidding war starts. The brand exposure and coaching is getting us a discount imo and the brea national commercial at the end of last season is giving them a good selling point.
We really need that settlement to cap nil. Even then i have no idea how the ncaa will police or enforce it. We have basically one donor funding players and coaching salaries in both revenue sports.
Yea wouldn't be surprise that many kids forget about that part. Hopefully the colleges are making that a priority to teach them.
That’s kind of what it is. Except tha 35-40 year olds are coaches instead of players haha
Let’s just make college athletics college athletics.
I could pull for a team of students who tried out and are willing to play for the love of the game.
I could pull for a team of students who tried out and are willing to play for the love of the game.
These players are benefiting from the University of Kentucky more than the other way around. Take UK off the jersey and how much would you watch them? When is the last time anyone watched a G-league game? How's that G-league bracket doing?
How long until the first lawsuit that abolishes the whole 4 years of eligibility requirement? You aren't limited to 4 years in the G-league or minor league baseball.
How long until the first lawsuit that abolishes the whole 4 years of eligibility requirement? You aren't limited to 4 years in the G-league or minor league baseball.
Yes, if UK dropped down to D2, but their games were still on TV, and Lexington got a G-league team, I would still watch UK over the G-league.
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So the possibility of 700K a year to sit on the bench....coming out of college + 2.8 million dollars?
Mercy.
Mercy.
Except they get the cash and free tuition - this is where I think it's broken. Give scholarships to other people that need that money. A kid riding the bench making $200k can probably afford tuition...
Why did so many kids used to “sign up” to work in coal mines or factories?
Because they hated the feeling of starvation- Apply that to your logic on the “choices” of college basketball players of the past.
You sound like a classic fat cat cheerleader/enabler. Just my opinion.
I was for NIL, but this has swung the other way -- too much Wild West, what's to stop colleges from going after 30 year old former NBA players, or...Harvard Business school from buying the best players. The NBA and NFL have more self-imposed regulation with salary caps, drafts, etc to keep the league balanced and not tilt to the bigger market teams.
Hiring 21 year old EuroLeague players for one year rentals is almost my last straw with all this honestly.
NIL was never meant for this.
Solution, get a bunch of projected starters who really want to play for the most legendary program in college basketball history and profit.. You can go 2 position deep if you do that instead of getting one or 2 guys who are all world and a bunch of other prospects who want to just go to school leave the next year. This is out of hand there should be a salary cap similar to NFL or maybe NBA. You don't HAVE to meet the cap but you also can't like buy all the talent if you are one of them richie riches like donors at some other schools that seem to have unlimited pockets. Kids will mostly follow the money but if we go after the projected starter kid who will stay here 3-4 years and develop a relationship with the other players and program they will bring home more consistent in producing championships.
Bless your heart but that’s exactly how you won’t win championships
Simmer down. Good lord, college basketball is not coal miner and factory work. It’s a game, and a pretty cushy one at that. It is limited to 20 hours (I think?) of practice time per week. It comes with all housing, food, healthcare, training, coaching, and facilities included… as well as, you know, free tuition AND tutoring which is commonly worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. And they chose to pursue these options, happily.
I suppose they could choose to not play a game and instead seek to pay for all their education, food, housing, and healthcare on their own, but most would have to work a helluva lot harder (maybe in a factory job?) to make that happen, and/or take on a massive amount of student loan debt.
Maybe we should pay the coaches adjunct professor salaries too then. They should be thankful for the opportunity they have and be blessed coaching a game
Anyone who thinks top athletes in football and basketball played ONLY for tuition, room & board, and training have had their head under a rock. I would like to know how much cash was stuffed in AD's mailbox weekly while he was in school. Most likely it would shock a ton of us. KY, UNC, Kanas, Duke all took great care of their players way before NIL. Look at Bama football, most of their players drove new Dodge Chargers and had pocket full of spending money. These were the same kids that grew up in housing projects. Heck UNCheat gave money and degrees without attending classes. "What a country."
See this is the elephant in the room people love to ignore.
This is how a free market actually operates unregulated.
I don’t know what to tell ya man. They’re all there doing this stuff by their own choosing. Players and coaches. Your straw man argument of coaches salaries is irrelevant. If a coach doesn’t like the deal they are offered, they can go do other things too. None are forced to be there, players or coaches.
I realize many think the players should be compensated with vast riches, as they are now. That’s fine… whatever. But stop acting like the players were enslaved indentured servants. That simply is not accurate, and is frankly an insult to those who were truly in such situations.
It isn't the elephant in the room, you have rules and if people break them then they get the consequences. If AD or anyone else didn't like the deal they can go play in the G-league or overseas for a year before the draft. It is this soft attitude of giving in to any demands made that got us here.
You can’t generate billions of dollars each year on players work and then go “oh here’s a scholarship” which more often is worthless since the majority of these football and basketball players are herded into classes with no real purpose than to keep them eligible to play and leave without ever actually obtaining said degree.
This has been going on for a century now back to when Yale and Princeton figured out they could sell out Yankee Stadium for a football game and so started using shell shocked World War I veterans to beat the shit out of each other and who would disappear after the season was over.
Plus another $200K or so each year in free tuition, tutoring, room and board, coaching, travel, gear, training, medical care, nutrionist, promotion, pretty good gig. Oh if I only had a chance to turn back time and do it all over again . . . and a little more size, strength, talent and abililty.
I agree they should have been either getting paid or an opportunity to use their Name, Image or Likeness for advertising opportunities. However, a free education, room, board, meals, access to trainers, etc wasn't getting "nothing" like Matt Jones and others want to claim. If you've ever put a kid through college you understand that. Was it what they deserved? No but it was by far more than "nothing".
If the ncaa had just paid O'bannon for putting his picture on a video game.... LoL
Most athletic dept in college ranks lose money. Probably only 80% of your p5 schools make a profit if you don't count donor money. That being said... if you price your customers out of the ability to watch they will just stop watching and then you have to figure out how to get them back.
The truth is in the middle. Are they coal miners? No. But are they pampered student athletes getting a world class education for free? No. They get locked in the stalls and screamed at to eat Pop Tarts by BCG. They have Bobby Knight wipe his ass and take out a shit smeared toilet paper that gets shoved in their face to see how they’re playing. They have the great Alaska shootout or whatever at 3AM their time on a “school night”. They have injuries, torn ACLs, CTE, they are herded into fake classes like at UNC and completely robbed of a decent education if they even want one. I mean acting like a free hot dog from the cafeteria is a good model. The market has spoken. After 3 years of NIL they are already being given 5 million dollars a year, which goes to show how much money the university was making off of them.
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Not sure why they are still giving people who make this kind of money free rides through college. Just put a roster limit in place and give those scholarships to people who actually need them.
It's hard to be a college basketball fan, at least for me. I always rooted for the local and regional teams because they frequently featured local and regional kids. The sort of guys I could watch in high school and then root four as they moved up the line. First, the game turned into the pro game with nothing but threes and dunks and a shorter and shorter shot clock. And now it's turned into the old days of pro sports when there was no salary cap and the rich just went out and bought teams. My enthusiasm for everything about college basketball except maybe the first two days of the NCAA tournament has waned tremendously. And now they might be robbing that by taking all the senior dominated mid majors out of the picture for upsets.
No one is forcing anyone to go to college or play a sport in college. That is and has always been an individual choice. I could have played higher level college sports but chose not to because I wanted to study engineering, knew I wasn't going pro, and wanted other people on the team to have the same academic load as I did, so I played at an small school with only engineers. What you and people with this type of argument are doing is acting like people are not actively making these poor decision so there is nothing we can do about it. There is in fact something we can do, we can take the bad decisions out of there hands and make them against the rules. Make it have to be about grades and school first for everyone again, but o no the horror of college athletes that can actually go to college to learn.
No one is forcing anyone to be a doctor, or work for a tech company or sell commodities to a manufacturer either. But it’s illegal for a group of employers to come to an agreement that they are going to place a limit on how much they pay certain roles. Or for manufacturers to come to agreement to cap how much they are willing to pay their suppliers.
The fact that an athlete has a choice to pursue a different path doesn’t change the fact that what the schools were doing was illegal. Clearly, there is an appetite in the market to pay many of these athletes large sums of money. The market is dictating that, which means the schools can’t come to an agreement to cap that.
And by the same token, no one is forcing anyone individual school to offer money to athletes or to even offer scholarships for that matter. The schools are free to walk away if they are philosophically opposed or unwilling to pay what the market dictates.
People just want to have their cake and eat it too.
I’ve said this for years you want to be like the fantasy the guy you quoted wants it to be?
Take the money out of the game. No more billion dollar media deals, no more multi million dollar facilities and coaching staffs, no more mega conferences with zero geographic sense like the Big 10 etc.
But fans don’t want that. If they did they’d be watching Division 3. Instead they want to clutch their pearls and not acknowledge the economic realities of the situation.
The fact that Goodman is giving this information makes me question the accuracy. Not a Goodman fan.
I once suggested to Chris Harrison that he could transfer to a smaller school and get a lot more playing time. He laughed. He asked why would he give up a 5 figure pay for 8 weeks of summer “work”? The money is a lot different now, but bottom line guys at high D1 were getting paid. My guess is that a lot held some sort of “job”. It just wasn’t called NIL.
