J. Williams just listed about about 6 teams from the B12 he thinks could make the FF, ESPN is making that league out to be the NBA west. I know they beat the SEC (who they make out to be complete garbage) 7-3 but i feel like the SEC competed pretty well with them, a bounce or two and both LSU and UK win against their top 2. Got a feeling their top dogs are going down as usual.
Anyone else feel like the B12 is gonna flame out in the tourney?
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Most will be out the first weekend. Maybe one makes the final four, if that.
It's possible KU & OU make F4. Keep a keen eye that Horns don't make a good run also. Shaka is a tourney coach and will surprise some folks. I think those 3 can be E8 plus if matches in favor. Baylor Sweet 16 at best. Just gotta play the games to see the proof in the pudding.
It's been the same story year after year. The B-12 teams rack up nice OOC wins, they beat each other (except for Kansas) in conference, leading the pundits to proclaim them the best conference by far. They do nothing in the tourney (except for occasionally Kansas). Rinse, repeat.
OU is going down early. Overbite can only take them so far. OU & KU will be the frauds of the tournament.
Winners of Office Pools will sell the Big 12 and buy Tradition (UNC, UK, Michigan St).
Big 12 is OVERRATED as usual,get Kansas out of the ChokeHawk Fieldhouse without suspicious officiating and UK destroys them.LSU gave Oklahoma all they wanted and the rest are chumps
If judging by history and taking past information into consideration, the Big 12 teams will indeed flame out.
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With the exception of Kansas in 2012 (runner-up) and 2008 (champion), the last Men's Final Four team from the Big-12 was Oklahoma State back in 2004. The coach of the Cowboys team that year? Yep, good old Eddie Sutton.
In all fairness, Big-12 fielded some great teams in 2002 and 2003. Both UTexas and Kansas played in the FF in 2003, and the Jayhawks won it all.
In all fairness, Big-12 fielded some great teams in 2002 and 2003. Both UTexas and Kansas played in the FF in 2003, and the Jayhawks won it all.
They have 3 final fours in the last 11 years. We have that many in the the last 4 years alone.
The SEC constantly outperforms the Big 12 come tournament time.
Quote me on this, no Big 12 teams will make the final 4
OU - one cold night from Hield and they're gone
KU - HA! No Phixed Allen games for them or biased Big 12 officials
Tex - A reach to get there, but Smart needs a few more studs before they get there
Iowa St - constant tourney flame outs, too inconsistent
You may want to do some research before you post, Kansas did not win it all in 2003. Good try though.
My bad. Duh! It was Syracuse and Camelo Anthony. Jayhawks were runner-up.
Thanks.
I thought maybe Kansas had given itself credit for another Helms Title in 2003.
I don't think there's any question the Big 12 is the best conference this season.
That being said, it's quite possible that the committee over rates the teams in the conference, gives them better seeds than they deserve and then they end up being the ones that flame out before they should have.
That being said, it's quite possible that the committee over rates the teams in the conference, gives them better seeds than they deserve and then they end up being the ones that flame out before they should have.
The big 12 will be severely over seeded. Coupled with the incessant slobbering by the inept & biased talking heads, the annual tournament face plant will even be more enjoyable.
But they are supposedly a top conference every year. And only have 2 final fours in 10 years (add a 3rd from 04). They are historically overrated.
Care to put your money where your mouth is?
200 bucks says the SEC doesn't put more teams in the E8.
The B12 has actually only gotten a lot of hype the last few years. Before that it was all ACC/BE/B10.
This year's B12 is certainly the best it's been top to bottom in some time.
2002 = SEC
2003 = Big 12
2004 = ACC
2005 = ACC
2006 = SEC
2007 = ACC
2008 = Big 12
2009 = Pac 10
2010 = Big 12
2011 = Big 10
2012 = Big 10
2013 = Big 10
2014 = Big 10
2015 = Big 12
2016 = Big 12
This is just one ranking system but they really haven't been consistently the top conference every year.
And the mistake being made when we look at tournament games.........1) your talking about such a small sample of games I don't know how anyone can draw any conclusions from that and 2) your only looking at a subset of each conference. Which conference has the better teams at the top is a much different question than what conference is better overall. And that's what helps them......the only team that stinks on a consistent basis in that conference is TCU. The other teams are consistent top 100 clubs.
Reason why the SEC does better as far as final fours and whatnot is that our top is better than their top. But really your talking about a select few in a conference. The SEC's success is pretty much entirely due to UK and the UF run
While I'm pretty confident in this team making a run, betting on a likely 1 seed to lose to a higher seed isn't exactly bold.
Now, about that bet? Takers?
Always lean towards the teams with Final Four tradition, those are usually safe bets. Of course there will always be some surprises which is a big part of what makes the tournament exciting. (VCU, Butler, George Mason, etc) but there's usually gonna be a bevy of heavyweight names that make up the list of the last four teams standing when it's all said and done. You also have other programs who have won lots of games in recent years who have a past history of Final Four trips (Villanova, Virginia, Oklahoma) but who has confidence those three can win a Regional? they've not shown any ability in recent times to get the job done in the tournament. Maybe this year will be different, never say never I guess.
I won't flat out say that the Big 12 will implode opening weekend, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me either. Once again they sit with the # 1 Conference RPI and after last year's embarrassing showing as a league surely they can't do any worse?
I do not disagree with anything you said above. As someone who has studied statistics I agree on the sample size theory.
But what is success ultimately measured by in NCAA basketball? Titles and Final 4s. Then success in the tournament. Conference tournaments and regular season games are a very small after thought.
I think as a whole the Big 12 is by far a better bet to get more teams to the elite 8 vs the SEC.
I think anyone would be foolish to take that bet lol. Just the fact they will have better seeds means they will have an easier road to elite 8s compared to the SEC
The only bet that I would take involving the Big 12 and SEC would be something like this. I bet the SEC teams do better relative to their seeding compared to the Big 12. In other words I believe the Big 12 will be overseeded and the SEC underseeded. So say UK got a 4 seed. They would be expected to make the regional semi-finals. If they went further they would get credit. And so on.
I think anyone would be foolish to take that bet lol. Just the fact they will have better seeds means they will have an easier road to elite 8s compared to the SEC
The only bet that I would take involving the Big 12 and SEC would be something like this. I bet the SEC teams do better relative to their seeding compared to the Big 12. In other words I believe the Big 12 will be overseeded and the SEC underseeded. So say UK got a 4 seed. They would be expected to make the regional semi-finals. If they went further they would get credit. And so on.
I don't disagree. But I think at that point your talking more about specific teams and not really about conferences.
Then again is Iowa St really struggling?
4 losses in 6 games but three have been on the road. 2 of the loss came in OT and another was by 5 pts. Last night, according to KP stats they had Baylor a favorite by 1. They were an underdog vs Texas A&M on the road as well. The other games favorites (albeit slight favorites)
It's just real tough to win on the road anywhere.
4 losses in 6 games but three have been on the road. 2 of the loss came in OT and another was by 5 pts. Last night, according to KP stats they had Baylor a favorite by 1. They were an underdog vs Texas A&M on the road as well. The other games favorites (albeit slight favorites)
It's just real tough to win on the road anywhere.
I always like looking at it in terms of efficiency margin. And with the Big 12 it works really good because of the balanced scheduled.
Team Off Def Difference
Kansas 111.5 101.2 10.3
West Virginia 105.2 97.1 8.1
Oklahoma 110.4 104.1 6.3
Iowa St. 113.2 109 4.2
Texas 104.9 101.5 3.4
Baylor 111.9 110.5 1.4
Kansas St. 99.3 102.1 -2.8
Texas Tech 105.3 109.2 -3.9
Oklahoma St. 100.5 107.4 -6.9
TCU 86.2 106.1 -19.9
This is basically how I would rate the Big 12 teams. I think there's clear separation. At the top u have your contenders who will likely go far (KU, OK and WVU).
Right now I would put Iowa St and Texas in a group together. Then u got Baylor trailing a bit.
Team Off Def Difference
Kansas 111.5 101.2 10.3
West Virginia 105.2 97.1 8.1
Oklahoma 110.4 104.1 6.3
Iowa St. 113.2 109 4.2
Texas 104.9 101.5 3.4
Baylor 111.9 110.5 1.4
Kansas St. 99.3 102.1 -2.8
Texas Tech 105.3 109.2 -3.9
Oklahoma St. 100.5 107.4 -6.9
TCU 86.2 106.1 -19.9
This is basically how I would rate the Big 12 teams. I think there's clear separation. At the top u have your contenders who will likely go far (KU, OK and WVU).
Right now I would put Iowa St and Texas in a group together. Then u got Baylor trailing a bit.
I agree, I have a gut feeling that between Kansas and Oklahoma, one of those two will be in the Final Four...Probably Kansas who has a number of guys who have dealt with frustrating tournament defeats in recent years and they could be ready to break through finally. I kinda have that feeling about UNC but I sure hope I'm wrong. lol
I have to agree with Willy. I have seen nothing to persuade me to think otherwise.
I don't buy the idea of ranking a conference based on just the tournament. If you want to say the top teams are overrated then I may buy it but historically the sec has been garbage. Judging the whole sec on our success and florida's isn't fair. As a whole the big12 is by far the best conference, isu will be their 5-7 seed, that's very strong, especially considering they only have 10 teams. How those teams fair in the tournament will be seen but come tournament time I'm rooting for uk, not the sec
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