haha so this is based on win share and shooting percentage during 1 season (rookie season)? Am I reading that right?
Another Dook bust?
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You realize this article is two years old and came after his awful rookie year, right? HE's been much better since then, of course he didn't really leave any room to be worse.
Yes, small sample size, and like the author, I too rejoice in Rivers' failings [see bias, not Len]. Seeing the Clippers choke away that 3-1 lead in the playoffs was very satisfying. I would not want the guy on any team of mine, and am amused by the blatant nepotism of the Clippers trading for him.
Yeah, 100%, just the quickest link I found ... still honestly don't believe the guy's on a roster if his dad isn't who he is. Then again, Jimmer Fredette is still in the league, so maybe I'm wrong on this one.
I get it, man. My hatred for dook is extremely high. But to call him a bust is just ridiculous. He had an awful rookie season and has been improving ever since. To say he wouldn't be in the league unless he played for his dad is just asinine.
Also, he still only shot 40.9% from the field, 29.8% from 3 last year while averaging 7 points. He's not a premier defender.
There have got to be 20+ guys in the D-League right now who could do the exact same thing.
If you are just going off of %s, Lance Stephenson shot 37% and average 8 points last year. Should he be in the league?
The kid is 23 years old and getting better. I am obviously not gonna change your opinion on whether or not he would be in the league, though haha.
I just have to add that Lance is an outstanding defender, but I get your point. I will leave this topic at agree to disagree. Now as far as your liking Marshall Henderson in the other thread ... hahaha.
haha sounds good.
And I don't like Marshall Henderson lol. But I do think that all sports needs villains. Makes it more fun to root against them.
I never said Irving was better than Wall. I'd rather have Wall, better overall player. However, if Irving is a bust because of injuries, well so is Wall. As I posted, Wall has missed over 50 possible games in 4 years.
Neither is a bust though. The OP is foolish on this one.
Neither is a bust though. The OP is foolish on this one.
Before his daddy traded for him, Rivers was well on his way to the D League and possibly out of the league. His dad gave him a lifeline. Rivers stats are pretty terrible as a pro
Kyrie is not great at anything besides dribbling and is a poor defender and probably the worst playmaking point guard in the league. That 30 point zero assist game from last year tells you all you need to know about Kyrie. When his shot is on, he gets you buckets. When he's off, he's worthless.
K has the ref's in his pocket and the player's flop like fish in college. Maybe they are to soft for an 82 NBA schedule.
If I hear one more post that Wall is better than Kyrie....
Seriously, the worst pg in the league is a player that can't shoot. A pg that can't shoot is the worst player in the NBA. If I hear one more poster try to explain how much better Wall is...
Seriously, the worst pg in the league is a player that can't shoot. A pg that can't shoot is the worst player in the NBA. If I hear one more poster try to explain how much better Wall is...
The fact that you did not (could not?) try to explain what was false about my statements speak volumes.
Also, the Kyrie led Cavaliers could not even make the playoffs in a historically bad eastern conference before LeBron returned. Again, he's not a bust, but he's overrated.
It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. Abraham Lincoln
...You'll leave this board forever? Wall is better than Irving.
I believe you may have your positions mixed up there, dude. A PG's job by definition is to control the ball, get assists, basically quarterback the team. Last season for example, Wall literally had nearly twice as many assists per game, without half the talent Kyrie had around him. A PG who can shoot is just a bonus.
John Wall
is a better point guard
and a better basketball player
than No D Kyrie.
Now piss off back to Duke's board.
I'm not a Duke fan though.... My love for Kyrie has nothing to do with his college choice and everything to do with him in the league. Also, you would be hard pressed to find NBA execs who think Wall is better than Kyrie
The pg position has changed and you have to be able to shoot to be successful. Also, who cares about the assists. LeBron was the de facto pg anyways. Kyrie is a better guard than John Wall anyways. It's funny, me liking Kyrie more than Wall in the league somehow makes me not a Kentucky fan though most knowledgeable NBA fans, analysts, and execs would agree with me...You'll leave this board forever? Wall is better than Irving.
that team is nothing without wall. look at what happens to the team when he's hurt, look at what happened last year when their coach tried to get cute and play andre miller for too long stretches. That ruined their series with the pacers.
The guy would set up his teamates perfectly time and time again his rookie year with a crap team and the bigs couldn' lay it in the ocean and wall still averaged 9 assists.He makes his teamates better.
You said the offense runs through lebron, who else has a point forward like lebron or scottie?
different tastes I guess, Im taking wall though to build a team around.
The guy would set up his teamates perfectly time and time again his rookie year with a crap team and the bigs couldn' lay it in the ocean and wall still averaged 9 assists.He makes his teamates better.
You said the offense runs through lebron, who else has a point forward like lebron or scottie?
different tastes I guess, Im taking wall though to build a team around.
Who would win in a fight between Orville Boggs and BillyBones/his other incarnations?
Or is Orville Boggs a somewhat more articulate BillyBones?
Or is Orville Boggs a somewhat more articulate BillyBones?
Your join date, followed by your rough treatment of John Wall, makes you look suspiciously like a troll.
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I don't know about all that. Irving is certainly a better shooter than Wall, but Wall is a better playmaker, defender, passer, and rebounder. I don't think that is in dispute.
yeah, he's not a better player though. Very hard to argue when your premise is as bad as the one you're taking.
This thread is the perfect example of the mob mentality of this board. The first couple of responses bash the OP so that's the direction the thread goes. Even if that means taking up for Duke and their players at every turn.
Rivers is absolutely a bust. Of course he's improved since his first year because I don't think it was even possible to get worse than he was that way. He's still a HUGE bust and will be out of the league before age 30.
Irving is one of the most overrated players in the NBA. His only skill he has that is consistently great is ball handling. He's a awful defender who is selfish and a terrible passer. The one thing he's always talked about being so great at is shooting but even there he's very inconsistent. He's just as likely to go 6-28 as he is 11-17.
It's Wall over Irving everyday.
Rivers is absolutely a bust. Of course he's improved since his first year because I don't think it was even possible to get worse than he was that way. He's still a HUGE bust and will be out of the league before age 30.
Irving is one of the most overrated players in the NBA. His only skill he has that is consistently great is ball handling. He's a awful defender who is selfish and a terrible passer. The one thing he's always talked about being so great at is shooting but even there he's very inconsistent. He's just as likely to go 6-28 as he is 11-17.
It's Wall over Irving everyday.
I'm not going to get on the hit party, but by the op's rational Sam Bowie would be a bust, even though injuries plagued him. Same can be said for Greg oden
I guess my definition of "bust" is different than others. I don't place that label on a player who has been plagued by injuries; it's not fair to them as that is something beyond their control. A "bust" in my mind is a player who does not live up to expectations because they simply weren't as good as thought, OR because they did not work the way they should have to maintain their status in the league.
Just my personal opinion.
Just my personal opinion.
For the entire season in the NBA last year, there were 4 players who averaged over 20 points a game and shot over 40% from 3. Two of them played on the team that won the NBA title, the other was Durant (only played 27 games), the other was Irving. Irving also shot 49% from 2 point land. I get that he went to Duke and everyone here despises duke, myself included. But the kid is one of the best players in the NBA. He's not overrated. My opinion of course.
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