Andrew Harrison
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He may be more "restrictive," I don't know, but we've had a couple teams better than that 2010 team, notably the 2012 and 2015 squads. I'd say any change in style since that season has worked well.
You have a point wrt to KAT, but Davis wasn't good from midrange until this season. And really, I don't think we can quibble with how Davis was handled that season. The eye test and the number test suggested that he was an all time great.
If you can't shoot the three, you probably shouldn't be taking twos unless they are from 5 feet and in anyway. The 2 point jumper is the worst shot in basket.
Wasn't meant as a knock on Cal. 99.9% of coaches restrict players games to some extent in the name of "organized basketball". That's why you don't see a ton of the pistol Pete flash any longer. There's still guys out there who have those moves.
Younger Cal was a little closer to that .1 percent when he first adopted the DDMO at Memphis. That's what it was based on. Experiences shape people and as he matured as a head Coach he's adapted and seems to prefer a slightly more organized method.
You see guys do things in pickup games that you never see in real games because of the structure. The NBA game is a little more open and free flowing at times so that can benefit certain guys.
Wall is the one guy you truly saw just go out and do his thing while here. And even then he often played within the offense throughout the game until the final 5 minutes of it was close. Then we'd see his ability to take over and get to any spot on the floor he wanted.
Don't disagree with anything you said.
Wasn't a "quibble" with the possibility of a change in philosophy. Just noting the difference between Memphis Cal and UK Cal and how maybe a guy like Andrew is more suited for the NBA game.
I don't have an issue with how AD was used here. It was the best thing for that team as we had all the other pieces and he fit his needed role. But Davis came out of Highschool as a face up player. Cal molded him for the better.
Lol. Did I say no one else contributed? As far as point guards leading them to a title, we have only won 8 our entire history. Going to two straight final fours with him as our point guard is a fact. And only two others have done it since the 1940s. And as far as a stat " I won't like" I think very highly of Epps and Turner.
Sometimes this season, we suffered from an embarrassment of riches in the frontcourt. A smaller pool of available players would have forced us to play with more skill on the court, i.e. 3 guard lineup or Lyles at the 4. We played big not because it was necessarily the best option, but rather the glut of bigs on the roster pushed us in that direction.
A solid 7 man rotation would have probably been the best offensive strategy because Lyles would play more time at the 4 and we'd use more 3 guard lineups. We'd have less offensive rebounding prowess, but we began to rely on it less as our offense started to improve late in the season anyway, and compensate with better overall field goal percentage through having a higher average skill level on the court.
How many teams have gone to back to back final fours since 1950? Again, you are cherry picking stats. Back to backs is very unusual and very hard to do. Discount UCLA because that was abnormal and will never happen again. Yes, ANdrew contributed to back to backs, but I would hesitate to say he "led" us. In fact if not for Aaron last year we lose to Michigan. I think ANdrew can and will get better if he can make an NBA roster. Andrew is much, much better when he plays faster. Our slow down style hurt him, IMO.
Yes I did,my point is the board spent much time saying Andrew can't do this Aaron can't do that,Dakari can't jump,Willie can't score but come next season these guys will seem a lot better than some thought they were.
Oh, well welcome to Rupp's Rafters. A magical place where you don't have to think before you post.
I just don't get it. Payne is good no doubt but I think he's benefitting from playing in relative obscurity. I know the NBA is watching every player with potential but I don't see the rational reason to pick him over Drew. His stats are impressive and so is his shooting ability and quickness. My question is, how easy is it to utilize those attributes against OVC level talent? I'd bet a healthy sum that if Andrew Harrison was the starting guard for the Murray State Racers he'd average 20 PPG too.
Murray State played a CUPCAKE schedule. How will Payne fair against a rim protector? How will Payne play against bigger guards? How will Payne's release point on his jumper effect his ability to score? I think that because there is little to no information to answer these questions, right now Payne gets a pass. Andrew has more tape/information out regarding his abilities against elite talent. If its bad its considered because it's a known issue.
Andrew is bigger and has more room for growth with his game. Andrew can change speeds to offset his lack of elite agility and quickness and he also has a great in between game and a better handle than we've seen. I can understand Russell and Mudiay being picked over him. You can even make a case for Tyus Jones and Jerian Grant being considered more viable options. The fact of the matter is that a very small number players with Payne's level of college basketball experience/stature even play in the NBA let along warrant his late lottery to late first round consideration. Not to mention Delon Wright because that's a separate post. I personally think that Andrew is being severely undervalued.
And I would bet you a healthy sum that if Andrew was at Murray State THIS YEAR that he wouldn't have been the starting point guard!
Do you have any evidence, reasoning or basketball acumen to back that up? I'd actually like to hear your viewpoint.
better shooter, better ball handler, better defender, quicker. All of these things. You said he had a better "handle" than we have seen. Really? He has been here two years and he has a better handle than we've seen? What is he hiding it for. I would like to hear your explanation for that!
Better defender? C'mon man! All NBA scouting reports point to his defense as a possible deficiency on the next level. He gets out in the passing lanes and create steals but his on-ball defense leaves a lot to be desired. He was bullied all year by bigger guards and he's prone to major defensive lapses. (See the last play of the OVC championship)
There could be plenty of reason why Andrew is "hiding" his handle as you put it. Uk's opponents played a majority of zone this year and packed in the lane. These are two things that will happen exponentially less once Andrew enters the league. I use the Bahama's trip as a more accurate indicator of how Andrew will run a team in the NBA. He had a lot more freedom and displayed an ability to break his defender down off the dribble as well as create for his teammates. Are you sure you aren't a Racers fan?
Andrew is not good defensively, we will agree to disagree. One year from now we will know won't we.. Always been a Cats fan first and foremost but I do like the Racers. I pull for all teams in state!
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