I've been looking at draft boards and honestly I'm a little confused. I can see D'Angelo Russell and Emmanuel Mudiay being taken over Andrew but after that I don't really see a guard that I would take over him. Tyus Jones, Cameron Payne, Jerian Grant and Delon Wright are projected ahead of him in every mock. Most mocks put Terry Rozier over him as well. I just don't understand it. Can someone explain it to me?
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IMO Jerian Grant was the best of the bunch. I would take him before Russell and Mudiay. I am not sold on Tyus Jones in the nba. I understand why he declared but in the nba he is a project.
Andrew is not a consistent shooter and struggles with smaller quicker guards. Otherwise, he has a solid game and is a winner. GBB
Andrew is not a consistent shooter and struggles with smaller quicker guards. Otherwise, he has a solid game and is a winner. GBB
Andrew's problem from an NBA game's standpoint is the same problem he had at UK a lot. He's big, but can't finish at the rim consistently. I think if he could of displayed that at UK a little more, he would be a mid first rounder even with the shooting inconsistencies. Plenty of PG's that have come out college that couldn't shoot well but they had the ability to get to the rim and finish.
Cameron Payne will be first guard from state of Kentucky taken in 2015 draft, believe that. DraftExpress has Booker at 12th going to Indiana and Payne at 21st going to Dallas. No way that happens. Payne is seen by GMs as a player that can manage a team. His ability to run a counter clock-wise curl (sick fast) and shoot over his left shoulder in a par-sec is truly insane. Impossible to guard. None of our guards (in the draft) can match Payne's energy level. Forget about it. Payne's standing height to wingspan ratio among the best in the draft - maybe the best.
I've got a feeling he'll actually be able to finish better in the NBA after some time. He was already doing it better in the combine. I know that sound counterintuitive, but the college game allows you to crowd the middle and foul at will, plus offensive fouls are called way more in college. Basically college doesn't want you to attack the rim, despite what they say. They want them to shoot jump shots, but since midrange is criminal inefficient, most games turn into rock fights.
TL;DR: Andrew will be a better pro than a college player
I surely hope so, I'd love Andrew to be very successful in the worst way as his brother but I think they will have an uphill battle on their hands.
I think both would have been better off to come back for another year and gone pro next season in a weaker draft.
Not saying this because I'm selfish for wanting them both to come back (I know they can't) but I think the Improvment they shown (especially Andrew) this past yr could be even better next yr.
we all know the nba is a business and they are not going to be showering you with money just because they are such good guys.
I think both would have been better off to come back for another year and gone pro next season in a weaker draft.
Not saying this because I'm selfish for wanting them both to come back (I know they can't) but I think the Improvment they shown (especially Andrew) this past yr could be even better next yr.
we all know the nba is a business and they are not going to be showering you with money just because they are such good guys.
Cameron Payne will be first guard from state of Kentucky taken in 2015 draft, believe that. DraftExpress has Booker at 12th going to Indiana and Payne at 21st going to Dallas. No way that happens. Payne is seen by GMs as a player that can manage a team. His ability to run a counter clock-wise curl (sick fast) and shoot over his left shoulder in a par-sec is truly insane. Impossible to guard. None of our guards (in the draft) can match Payne's energy level. Forget about it. Payne's standing height to wingspan ratio among the best in the draft - maybe the best.
Yeah, and some NBA teams value Booker as a top 10 pick. We will see.
Its pretty simple - all those PGs above him posted better numbers + are better athletes. Yes, i even consider Tyus a better athlete than Andrew.
I didn't see Andrew play in the 5vs5 yesterday, but his stats suggested he had a great game. Hopefully he continues impressing during this draft process.
I didn't see Andrew play in the 5vs5 yesterday, but his stats suggested he had a great game. Hopefully he continues impressing during this draft process.
Andrew can't finish yet Cal gave him the ball & said finish the Wisconsin game. He won't ever play any meaningful minutes in the league... either will his brother. Neither can shoot and neither are Ellte athletes.
Pretty pessimistic. A lot of players have not won a final four game, a lot of good players. I agree that they aren't the shooters or athletes as advertised, but that doesn't mean they'll never play a meaningful minute. Though I get your thought process, your post just rings too much of a fan who feels jilted by a kid trying to follow his dream.
Bitter fan for losing against Wisconsin, line 1. Maybe you're right but why go hard against them. I think Andrew has a better shot than Aaron because of his position. I never said he couldn't finish, just that he was inconsistent at the college level. Like Stubborn Penny said, I think if he gets better at it, he have a spot. Maybe never a star but I think he'll make a living. I just think if he could of done it more consistently at UK he would be a mid first rounder. He was better this year. It was right to put the ball in his hands, it was wrong of Cal to ask him to melt 30 seconds to do it 3 times in a row.
That would really impress me (Booker in top 10). Booker has a strong ability to finish in transition. He certainly has the size and when his touch is right his stroke is money. If he goes higher than Payne, great. I hope he does, in fact. I'll stand firm on the notion that no matter where those two go, Payne will out minute Booker next year 3:2 minimum.
I fear that we are about to find out that we were pretty damn good last year and won't be quite as good this year.
You and others never actually looked at the Harrisons from a stand point of skill level. You were looking at them thru those thick dark blue tinted lenses. I do think if they get a chance to play in the NBA for a time, they will both improve, simply because the game opens up more, the rules are different. I wish them both the best, and hope they get a chance. But, the fact is their skill level is that they do a number of things fairly well, but they do nothing really good.
Gary Parrish said that Andrew was good but, inconsistent at the combine and that has hurt his value a little
Dude you rag on the twins more than any other person I've ever seen. Grow up. Those kids led us to 2 final fours and yet you trash them. Real mature. You make our fan base look terrible. Congrats.
Let's look at Andrew from pure basketball point guard perspective. 6'4.5" instead of 6'6" as listed. So he is big but not super big for a point guard.
Speed and athletic wise he is just below average for a college point guard and way below average for a pro.
He had trouble getting to the rim in college while having 3/4 other superstars on the court with him at all times.
He is an ok ball handler but very loose with his left hand.
He shot in mid 30s from the field in his two college seasons.
He really doesn't make other players on the court better as great point guards do.
Defensively he had lots of trouble with quick penetrating guards and that was even against teams even during the November schedule.
If he did not have the Harrison high school hype nobody would know who he is as a potential NBA point guard.
Remember in about five big games this season Cal had to bench him and turn over the team to Ulis to lead us to victory. He would sit on bench and pout as we made comebacks or put the game away.
Speed and athletic wise he is just below average for a college point guard and way below average for a pro.
He had trouble getting to the rim in college while having 3/4 other superstars on the court with him at all times.
He is an ok ball handler but very loose with his left hand.
He shot in mid 30s from the field in his two college seasons.
He really doesn't make other players on the court better as great point guards do.
Defensively he had lots of trouble with quick penetrating guards and that was even against teams even during the November schedule.
If he did not have the Harrison high school hype nobody would know who he is as a potential NBA point guard.
Remember in about five big games this season Cal had to bench him and turn over the team to Ulis to lead us to victory. He would sit on bench and pout as we made comebacks or put the game away.
For the posters saying that every UK kid should come back to school to improve his game, he's not ready for the league, etc....take a look at Aaron Harrison. He returned and its most likely going to cost him. Same reason why Booker absolutely could not return to UK especially with his downhill slide the second half of the season.
You are right- I'm glad Ulis hit those two free throws against Notre Dame to get UK to the final four. Oh wait.....
Yeah Andrew was on fire that game. Zero baskets, two assists and his counterpart scored 15 against him. The play where he got the free throws sums him up. Couldn't get to the basket and essentially charged if the defender didn't move at the last split. The worst part of the play was the point guard was supposed to run the play to Towns or Aaron but he broke the play off. It ended well for us in that game, but we all know how it ended when he tried to take over the last five minutes in the next game.
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The twins stepped up plenty of times over their two years here. You are just a hater.
They'll never be appreciated by some fans here.
If leading us to a title game and a Final Four in their two seasons here, accepting their role, improving their defense and conditioning in the offseason, and handling more scrutiny than any two players in the county from their own "fans" isn't enough, you aren't going to change the minds of those people now or ever.
Though it's odd. James Young is pure garbage, Dakari is worthless and frustrating, Randle was a black hole that didn't play defense, Willie is a flake who disappeared every time it mattered, Poythress is a liability on offense and Cal is a mediocre bench coach--yet the guys who were the leaders of both squads somehow managed to get us that far.
If leading us to a title game and a Final Four in their two seasons here, accepting their role, improving their defense and conditioning in the offseason, and handling more scrutiny than any two players in the county from their own "fans" isn't enough, you aren't going to change the minds of those people now or ever.
Though it's odd. James Young is pure garbage, Dakari is worthless and frustrating, Randle was a black hole that didn't play defense, Willie is a flake who disappeared every time it mattered, Poythress is a liability on offense and Cal is a mediocre bench coach--yet the guys who were the leaders of both squads somehow managed to get us that far.
Not sure I can agree with that, Russell is an NBA guard all the way, Grant is almost 23 years old already. Haven't seen Mudiay enough. But DeAngelo will be very good and better than Grant IMO.
Except for Wayne Turner and Anthony Epps, name a point guard besides Andrew that led UK to consecutive final fours since 1950. There aren't any.
The Andrew haters will say "both those guys won at least one natty title and AH didn't yo!" so just prepare for that retort. The Harrisons both get a lot of unjust hate on this message board. 2 Final Fours and a runner up is not a bad run in 2 years. It's easy to blame them for the loss this year, but no one else stepped up much throughout that game consistently either.
When you say "led". What does that mean? No one else contributed? I will give you a stat you won;t like. Turner, Epps, Harrison, how many of them won a title? Anybody can cherry pick a stat to argue.
And like clockwork, the "he didn't win a title" guy, although I do agree on the cherry picking stats thing to an extent.
Andrew Harrison HELPED lead UK to back to back Final Fours, something most UK players at any position cannot say. He had two very solid seasons, and clearly was playing his best ball the last 10-15 games for UK this year. If some other players had improved like AH, UK probably wins the title, but they didn't. In fact, you had guys regress and just not show up many games. I'll not name them, but my point is, if anyone is to be blamed for UK losing to Wisconsin by ranking them...I'd put Andrew Harrison well on down the list behind several other players.
The best Andrew ever played at Kentucky was the last couple months of the season this year. He was keeping his head up and finishing at the rim. He made smarter passes and just seemed more in control than previously. He's not better than guys like Russel or Tyus Jones and I question if he'll ever be a regular starter in the league. But I feel like he's growing. I think he'll get a decent chance in the league.
. Anybody see the sick crossover pull up he made in the combine game? I've got a feeling Drew has some moves we haven't seen at UK. It seems Cal has became much more restrictive and controls how players play here than he was at Memphis or his first year here. Maybe losing the title to KU and the West Virginia game had a hangover effect in regards to letting players play freely and just "ball".
Also how Davis and KAT were limited to 5 feet relatively when they have/had a stretch ability.
Could be some 2013 hangover as well.
Also how Davis and KAT were limited to 5 feet relatively when they have/had a stretch ability.
Could be some 2013 hangover as well.
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