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Analytics best “5” per L. Vaught via E. Miyakawa(CBS)

But NO, we did not START 3 Centers in 2015!!! We did start 2, but one was an AA (because of his defense) and the other was the #1 pick in the draft. So which one are you putting on the bench?
Well, one could argue that we kinda did, because Trey Lyles is a guy who would’ve been seen as a college 5 by quite a few coaches. And indeed he’s spent his entire NBA career solely at the 4 or 5 spots. Cal is the only coach who would’ve seen Lyles as a 3.

Truth be told, our best lineup that year would’ve been with Booker as our starting 3 and Lyles off the bench. Instead Cal had those reversed, because his instinct when in doubt is always to opt for the bigger longer lineup.
 
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I thought Cj looked really good against SC on both ends of the floor. As much pt as he got the other night I couldn't believe they didn't run one single set to try to get him open for a three. He looked invisible in the offense most of the time.
That’s the problem with Cal's Iso offense. It’s designed for each player to create their own shot.

Some Iso based offenses will use screens to create mismatches (prime example, wisconsin 2015 used high screens to put bad defenders on Decker).

However, Cal, who is stuck in 1985-Land, doesn't use that method, because he doesn't want to bring a second defender to the ball, so, you have to figure it out on your own.

Isn't that a brilliant offense?
 
WTF you talkin about Willis!
Half the names above are simply not true.

I guess when you say "bigs" you mean both a C and PF. But NO, we did not START 3 Centers in 2015!!! We did start 2, but one was an AA (because of his defense) and the other was the #1 pick in the draft. So which one are you putting on the bench? Poythress was not a C, plus he only played 20% of the season (8 games) due to injury. DJ only played 16mpg, and Lee only played 11mpg.

- T.Jones was not on the same team as Noel. And Wiltjer was a stretch 4 like you guys love so much, not a "big", more of a tall slow 3
- DJ only played 14mpg (13.8) in 2014
- Willis was also a stretch 4 like you guys like, not a "big", more of a tall slow 3
- in 2016 Humphries played just 6mpg
- in 2017 Humphries played just 8mpg
- Vanderbilt played less than 40% of the season (only 14 games)
- Richards (FR yr) was (barely) under the 15mpg you list, but you incuded him; and SKJ was also under it (13mpg)
- Richards played less, 12mpg as a Soph
- KJ as a "big" he's a SF dude!
- Brooks was a 6'7 "tweener" halfway between a PF and SF
- Whitney was, IDK what the hell he was, but he wasn't a "big", I guess he was a wing with no offensive skills. And he only played 1/2 the season, AND he played <13mpg in those games.
- Ware only played 10mpg as a FR
- and this year Livingston is a SF/PF tweener who doesn't want to play PF; AND Collins has played <10mpg; and Ware is at only 13mpg (wish it were less)
I only read a little of that. Wcs/towns/lyles, all college centers. Our idiot coach could have played ulis/Aaron/booker/towns/wcs. Keldon plays 4 in the nba so not sure what you’re arguing there. Cal always has too many bigs and plays every one of them entirely too much. You must like lineups with wheeler/one shooter/livingston/Collins/Oscar I guess. You can take a guy off of each of those lists and still have all the bigs you need on one team!
 
Here’s a list of “bigs” we’ve had each year who played at least 15 minutes per game (most 20+ and a LOT with three of each together). I left the years we actually played a more guard friendly offense off. Point being Cal loves bigs WAY too much, hell we even started THREE centers on the 2015 team 😂

Nerlens/wiltjer/tjones/wcs

Randle/wcs/Alex/dakari

Lyles/wcs/towns/Alex/dakari/lee

Skal/lee/Willis/Alex/hump

Bam/Willis/Wenyen/hump

Pj/Wenyen/vando/Richards/skj

Pj/keldon/Reid/Richards/EJ

Richards/EJ/Nate/keion/Khalil

Sarr/brooks/Jackson/Toppin/ware

Oscar/brooks/Toppin

Oscar/Toppin/livingston/ware/Collins

I laughed at this post because of your name. Nothing more.
 
Isn't that the exact lineup the Please Go to Texas guy had on a sign earlier this year?
 
Cal is just to loyal to Wheeler- that’s what this all comes down to
I’d play 7 and I’d play mostly zone - keep our key players out of foul trouble - hopefully eliminate all the pick & roll we can’t guard
Start Wallace CJ Reeves Toppin Oscar
Sub Wheeler for guards Livingston for Toppin
And pre timeout seconds for Ware for Oscar
 
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I only read a little of that. Wcs/towns/lyles, all college centers. Our idiot coach could have played ulis/Aaron/booker/towns/wcs. Keldon plays 4 in the nba so not sure what you’re arguing there. Cal always has too many bigs and plays every one of them entirely too much. You must like lineups with wheeler/one shooter/livingston/Collins/Oscar I guess. You can take a guy off of each of those lists and still have all the bigs you need on one team!
In nobody's book except yours was Lyles a C.
And Keldon is not a freakin 4. The Nets play Simmons at PG, that doesn't mean he is a PG, he's a SF who can't shoot, a Point Forward. The Rockets played our 6'5 Chuck Hayes at C some, that didn't make him a C. BTW, ESPN lists KJ as a SF, they just play 2 SF instead of a SF and a PF. But based on your flawed KJ logic since Cal played Lyles at SF, that makes him a SF (when I agree with you that he is a big, a PF, but not a C). Don't be stupid!!!

And no, it's been stated many times I would like to see Wallace, Reeves, Theiro, Livingston, Oscar. Fredrick can join in if he starts making shots (like vs USC). Toppin get some run too, as well as Onyenso. Wheeler play at most 15min.

And out of 14 teams, Cal had 5 with just 2 "bigs" playing 15+mpg, and 6 teams with 3. So you are saying take 1 big off those 11 teams, thus only 1 or 2 bigs playing 15+min is all you need. You really are stupid!
 
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Well, one could argue that we kinda did, because Trey Lyles is a guy who would’ve been seen as a college 5 by quite a few coaches. And indeed he’s spent his entire NBA career solely at the 4 or 5 spots. Cal is the only coach who would’ve seen Lyles as a 3.

Truth be told, our best lineup that year would’ve been with Booker as our starting 3 and Lyles off the bench. Instead Cal had those reversed, because his instinct when in doubt is always to opt for the bigger longer lineup.
I agree Lyles was a 4, and Cal played him at the 3 so that he could try the Platoon (we honestly had NO SF on that team, closest was probably the stretch 4 Willis at the end of the bench). Nobody except a mid-major who can't find decent Centers would have played Lyles at the 5.

But GoToTexas dude simply made shit up to make a point. Had guys listed on teams they didn't play on, had about 10 guys in his list as playing >15mpg that didn't, even a few that played only 6-9mpg, and 1 who only played 8 games.

And he still trying to say Keldon Johnson is a PF "big". LOL LOL LOL
 
In nobody's book except yours was Lyles a C.
And Keldon is not a freakin 4. The Nets play Simmons at PG, that doesn't mean he is a PG, he's a SF who can't shoot, a Point Forward. The Rockets played our 6'5 Chuck Hayes at C some, that didn't make him a C. BTW, ESPN lists KJ as a SF, they just play 2 SF instead of a SF and a PF. But based on your flawed KJ logic since Cal played Lyles at SF, that makes him a SF (when I agree with you that he is a big, a PF, but not a C). Don't be stupid!!!

And no, it's been stated many times I would like to see Wallace, Reeves, Theiro, Livingston, Oscar. Fredrick can join in if he starts making shots (like vs USC). Toppin get some run too, as well as Onyenso. Wheeler play at most 15min.

And out of 14 teams, Cal had 5 with just 2 "bigs" playing 15+mpg, and 6 teams with 3. So you are saying take 1 big off those 11 teams, thus only 1 or 2 bigs playing 15+min is all you need. You really are stupid!
Actually the nets play Simmons AT CENTER. Thanks for proving my point, I stopped there because the rest is irrelevant.
 
The Rockets played our 6'5 Chuck Hayes at C some, that didn't make him a C.
Chuck Hayes didn’t just play C “some”, instead he spent the overwhelming majority of his 11 year NBA career primarily playing the center spot (see below).

And, yes, that DID make him a center. It doesn’t matter that you don’t think he was tall enough. You are the position you actually play.

 
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Evan Miyakawa has had his college basketball analytics used on ESPN, CBS and other outlets and offers intriguing team and individual statistical analysts on his website (EvanMiya.com).

Here is what Miyakawa noted for a “wild card” idea on Twitter: “Employ the lineup of Wallace, Reeves, Fredrick, Toppin, and Tshiebwe, which has only played 20 possessions together but has put up absurd numbers. Keep in mind that 5-man lineup data can be pretty unreliable in small doses. Still, very intriguing.”

“First, Big Oscar is by far Kentucky’s most effective player. He ranks 6th in the country in Bayesian Performance Rating, which uses box score stats, on-court impact on team performance, and historical info to evaluate each player’s value on the offensive and defensive end.”

“CJ Fredrick is known as a shooter, but the team is also playing well defensively when he’s on the floor. His On-Off splits show that the team is playing 8.6 points per 100 possessions better when he’s playing vs on the bench. By contrast, Daimion Collins’ On-Off Margin is -12.0.

“CJ Fredrick is featured in all of Kentucky’s top 5 most effective teammate pairs, ranked by Adjusted Team Efficiency Margin. This measures how many points per 100 possessions UK is outscoring opponents while he is on the floor, adjusted for the strength of opponent players faced.”

“As a team, Kentucky needs to prioritize getting to the free throw line. This season, when UK attempts at least as many free throws as their opponent, they are 9-1 and win by an average of 19 points. However, when they have less FTAs, they are only 1-5 and are losing by 12 on average.”

Not one mention of Wheeler though I’m not as down on him as others
Maybe they will let us play 6 since we are so bad cause mini Wheels ain't leaving that court for a minute.
 
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I feel like a genius , I didn't need analytics or 16 games to figure that shit out ... any lineup with 2 non shooters - OSCAR AND WHEELER , is so limited you will never approach a Final Four .. too many smart teams with smart coaches and they will get Wheeler iso'ed with the ball with 6-8 sec left on the shot clock .. that spells doom.. and lets be real here , Oscar isnt a good offensive player .
 
I think a combination of Wallace/Fredrick/Reeves/Livingston/Tshiebwe would be better than the Wallace/Fredrick/Reeves/Toppin/Tshiebwe group, if Cal would use it.
 
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