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Feel like Noah can fill that role perfectly this season.
Hell, Garrison as the starting 5 doesn't either.
Are well all seriously operating like JQ is going to be ready before Xmas?
Just seems odd and risky.
That's a logical statement. I can see a world where I can live with Noah playing some 4 minutes. Hell, TBH, I'd rather see him at the 4 than Garrison.
Even if we were it wouldn't really be the end of the world. Bama shot 35% from 3 as a team this year and were still the 4th most efficient offense in the country. Shooting a little worse from 3 but being a better rebounding team would probably be a wash for the offensive efficiency.
Buddy, one game in a 5 minute stretch doesn't tell the tale of the tape. There's not a world that exists where Brandon Garrison is a plus defender, especially on the perimeter.
Will anyone defend him, off the ball, tight enough on the perimeter for him to back cut them? I just don't see it. I said it last week, if you're defending us and the possession ends in Brandon Garrison taking a 3, you've won that possession.
Lotsa truth here. 35% with an uptick in OREB% and you're basically cancelling out the drop in 3PT%. Gotta think the increased length and athleticism will lead to the increase in OREB%
Everyone was happy with Carr at the 4 this year right? Why wouldn’t we be happy with Garrison? He averaged 3 points less than Carr while not playing as much and not being a focal point on offense. Carr shot a better % on 3s then Garrison for the year but Garrison got much better as the year went on. Remember Garrison was just a sophomore, If he can improve just a little on 3 point % I’m thrilled with him as a stretch 4 who averaged 1.5 blocks while playing 20 min a game. He runs the floor well, his rebounds will come up with another year in the weight room and he has a year in the system. We’ve screamed for years about developing players… if garrison gets just a little better in the offseason we are in business.
Alvaro was either intimidated or didn't like Kentucky, not sure which one it was, maybe he doesn't like bright lights on the biggest stage. As for Garrison, if his rebounding and defense get better, he will do fine, I want him to challenge more shots at the rim. Last year to many were driving to the basket while he was watching when he could have altered shots, we saw it sometime, but at his size he has to be more aggressive in that regard.
You said you were a high school coach, so I know you know the game at a level that probably surpasses mine. That said, I couldn’t disagree more. BG only needs to make around 1/3 of his threes for it to break the backs of opponents. If we get BG shooting that well, which is very reasonable, I hope Pope tells him to shoot 12 a game if they are open. Teams will get buried very quickly. We not only would achieve PPP equivalent to a 50% paint shot….you also have JQ getting a high percentage of offensive rebounds for even more shots.
I doubt it stays like that. I am pretty sure we will add more than just SG.
But let’s say it stays that way. That will be the same number of players as last year. We all remember our injuries and what happened.
The starting line up and even the back up 5 will be more athletic than last year but we will lose on experience ( don’t discount how easy it was to integrate last year 7 seniors and learn Pope system on fly) and will lose on shooting from distance.
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Not really. Did you see his 3 scheduled visits ? Iowa, Nova, and Providence. Looks like AF wants to go somewhere that has a little less pressure. Why else would he pick those schools ?
We don't even know if Pope was still recruiting him. If he decided to make Garrison a starter not sure he would.
Honest question...Are you working off the premise JQ is available day 1? I'm not arguing about it, just don't know where you're coming from.
There's a reason Garrison was so open last year. He played H-O-R-S-E on every single 3 he attempted. If he plays the 4 (I still don't think he will), he's going to be defended by someone that can close out on the catch (versus a less mobile 5) and force him to either take it guarded or to stick it in his pocket. Not to mention, if he plays the 4, he's going to have to move into shots more than he ever did as the 5 standing stationary in the middle third of the court. It's just an entirely different ballgame. He's not shooting the shots he took last year if he plays the 4, he's shooting the shots Carr/Amamor/Noah et al did. I just can't envision a world where that works.
Positionally you can move the ball screen to the opposite side of the court and keep Garrison on the weak side but still at the top to shoot the same type of shot as last year. Yes, it will be against better perimeter defenders but Pope already projected many more shots from BG this year because he knows BG is putting in the work on it. As far as JQ, I’d expect him to be back Day 1, but I don’t expect it matters much for BG. Either you get BG minutes at the five and he’s shooting when teams are overhelping the zoom or he’s at the 4 shooting catch and shoot. I trust BG’s progression to be capable of making enough either way.
They already move it there at times, but it's more of a set when they double or even triple zoom stuff. The "set" zoom look is with the 5 at the top in the middle third with the zoom capable on either side. It's not by accident. Completely designed to work that way to give you the most space while also iso'ing matchups they like or playing away from matchups they don't. It's difficult to just "move the ballscreen" w/o completely disrupting the floor balance. Not to mention, if you're changing your offense for BG then I hope you're ready for the repercussions that follow.
I think you take Pope's word at way more face value than I do. At least on Garrison and shooting that much. That's a coach's sales pitch, IMHO.
I trust he's a really good coach. But I don't trust much of what comes out of a lot of coaches mouths when they're publicly talking about a player. Myself included! Lol.
lol, and we lost our by-far best rebounder, and Garrison is a bad rebounder.
Remember, we're talking about him defending 4s and not 5s. Carr? Sure, I can see a world where BG can defend Carr. Ivisic? Negative. Grant Nelson? Nope. Flagg or Sion James? Uh, that would be pretty funny just to watch.
BG struggled hard core to defend in his role as a backup 5. And absolutely zero of that had to do with lack of size and length. I'm not sure how one thinks, based off of a 5 min stretch where we switched screens in a boatrace game vs Bama, that he could somehow defend players more skilled and mobile than the ones he seriously struggled to defend. I guess I just don't follow the logic.
If Pope believes so much in him at this 4 thing...Why did Noah and Almonor get far more minutes at the 4 than BG this past season?
I can see a world where we do rebound better next year, as a whole. This is, of course, based on JQ being healthy at some point.
Looking at rebounds per game is an amateur error. Many good rebounders play less minutes than 30.
6.7 per30min is very bad for a C, and below average for a PF.
Garrison was 34th in rebounding rate in the SEC adjusted for minutes, limiting to players who averaged 15+mpg. Not 9th.
After he deleted and stop following all Kentucky stuff we think he's gonna stay🤔
I really hoped we'd land Alvaro, Wilkerson and a stud PG. We only have 11 counting BG on portal watch and JQ rehabbing a torn ACL.
I think we need 3 studs to really go after 9. I really hope we land some.
So we're gonna go into next year with one PG after the nightmare we just had with the position and playing without a PG some games?
He has a whole off season to work on his game with the staff. I expect a very improved player than what we saw this year. He was great in spurts
That's some shit Cal would do. He's not a 4. He possesses zero skills to run the 4. Zero.
No. Who said we have only one point guard.
We have a pure point guard in Lowe.
We have a combo guard in Johnson.
We have a combo guard in Perry.
We have Chandler who can play spot PG minutes.
We have Oweh who can play spot PG minutes.
We are trying to obtain Wilkerson who can play spot PG minutes
The staff may try to add a depth piece at PG, but I’m good with it as it stands now
Hard to believe after what we just went through at PG. Played games with ER PG, TP, no PG and 1 armed Butler. We had most those guys you named and when Butler wasn't out there we struggled.
TP gets blown by constantly.
Oweh had his share of bad passes at point.
Chandler I like but not at point.
If Lowe gets hurt, gets foul trouble we take a step back. We cannot go into next year with 1 true PG after what we just went through. Hell when Butler was out we almost looked best with Williams bringing the ball up.
We need a Brea type SG and another PG with Lewis out. We were already going for a shooter before we lost Lewis.
12 wasn't enough last year and 1 guy we're counting on is returning from knee surgery. Every year at Kentucky we have injuries. The SEC foul trouble happens. We need 13 real players. So if BG stays cool, but we need a shooter and a Lewis replacement.
Scared money don’t make money, my man. Wr gotta build the best rosters with all factors considered, including chemistry. We can’t build rosters with five of every position in case of catastrophic injuries. If you lose PG1 and PG2 you will take a hit no matter who you have at PG3.
I should have known, Wednesday I was like I’m feeling another Boom! Knowing my luck the opposite happened, I should have known.
With BG i would hold my breath when he came in. In 30secs I'd know if it was a BG night or not. Sometimes he'd come in and throw a terrible pass and then fumble the ball and I'd be screaming get him out now!
My biggest gripe with BG besides rebounding is awareness. There was a few too many times where we would be fighting back and get it to a manageable spot like 7 and BG would launch a quick 3, miss and they'd score and it was all gone.
Being open is one thing but you have to be aware of the situation. When your fighting your ass off just to get back in a game or trying to hold a small lead you don't want your 6ft10 guy launching 3s 10 secs into the shot clock. He did it a decent amount. He's even decent from out there but in those spots you want high percentage.
In the past albeit with Cal we did pretty well with 2-3 really good PGs. Playing them together has worked too for us. We just looked so different without Butler, bad different. I just would feel so much better with 2 talented true pgs.
Right now we have 11 counting BG and JQ I really hope we land Wilkerson and I'll feel much better. I think he is this years Lanier. That would be 12 like last year. Maybe a DII type pg to give us 13. A guy that can handle the point we'll and is happy to be here like an AA. I really would have liked Pierre.
Agree with you on Wilkerson. Special, special talent.
I agree. Lots of leads were lost when he came in.
I like Williams a lot. He seems more like a tall wing than an actual stretch 4, but that would definitely help our floor spacing if he actually proves capable of playing that role.
I hope I’m wrong about Dioubate, but I just don’t really see his shooting as being something that defenses will have to respect. The percentage looks nice if that’s all you see, but he only even attempted 26 threes this year (after going 1/11 last year)…. while playing for Nate Oats at Alabama. If it was just a matter of him needing to let it fly more often, I can’t imagine a better coach and system to encourage it than the ones he just left. He just doesn’t have a very natural stroke, shooting a career 56% on free throws and having a really awkward jumper that he needs all day to feel comfortable releasing. None of that means that we won’t have a use for his energy and rebounding, but I do stand by my comments that I have some initial concerns about our offensive spacing when he’s in the game.
It feels like a "they are really going to need my help" to "nah, too many players".
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