Already sick of NIL.

[bthaunert]

Danny Ainge played pro baseball while playing basketball at BYU.

Chris Weinke played minor league baseball for 5 years before going to FSU. The difference to the NCAA is they were getting paid to play another sport professionally, which was ok, while Jeremy Bloom was being compensating for endorsement deals related to being an olympic skiier, which was somehow a no-no.

 

[sluggercatfan]

Chris Weinke played minor league baseball for 5 years before going to FSU. The difference to the NCAA is they were getting paid to play another sport professionally, which was ok, while Jeremy Bloom was being compensating for endorsement deals related to being an olympic skiier, which was somehow a no-no.

That's crazy!!

 

[Father Torque]

IMO, what they need to do is put a salary cap in place. All you have to do is look at the most competitive pro sport, NFL, versus the least competitive, MLB, to see what a salary cap can do.

If I was a network exec, this is what I'd be pushing like hell for, because it's going to make the product more interesting and get more eyes watching the games. Bama winning the title every year because they spend the most is going to drive college fball right into the ditch.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

IMO, what they need to do is put a salary cap in place. All you have to do is look at the most competitive pro sport, NFL, versus the least competitive, MLB, to see what a salary cap can do.

If I was a network exec, this is what I'd be pushing like hell for, because it's going to make the product more interesting and get more eyes watching the games. Bama winning the title every year because they spend the most is going to drive college fball right into the ditch.

Ok but how are you going to do that?

 

[cat_in_the_hat]

God forbid the players get something from the billions and billions of dollars they generate each year.

Or do you think people are tuning into watch Stoops 7 million dollar a year ass scream at the officials like an idiot?

Everyone loves Capitalism until it hits something they’ve emotionally invested in that has operated outside of it for decades while schools, conferences and coaches rake in the money.

I'm not arguing that players shouldn't have some income opportunities from their image and likeness. I think the problem with the concept, and with the court's decision, is that NCAA sports are voluntary. No one forces an athlete to play NCAA sports. In my mind, a private league should be able to set whatever rules it feels is necessary to have a competitive league that will attract fan interest. If athletes don't want to follow those rules, they can play somewhere else, or not play at all. If it weren't voluntary I would have some sympathy for the capitalism argument, but a private league setting rules doesn't hinder capitalism. If a player doesn't feel like the tradeoff of complying with the league's rules are worth what they get in the end, then they have the option to play somewhere else or not play at all. No one is forcing them into this arrangement. I have a problem with the government telling private voluntary organizations what rules they can have in order for people to be a part of that organization or league.

 

[Father Torque]

atubOk but how are you going to do that?

The NCAA makes it a rule. Here's a hard salary cap you can't go over. Sure, schools will try and cheat, but at least there's a baseline for everybody. Right now there's nothing, it's the wild wild west out there.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

The NCAA makes it a rule. Here's a hard salary cap you can't go over. Sure, schools will try and cheat, but at least there's a baseline for everybody. Right now there's nothing, it's the wild wild west out there.

Again, that is arbitrary. It will never stand in court. You'll end up artificially lowering what a player can earn through his NIL. It won't be allowed.

 

[bthaunert]

The NCAA makes it a rule. Here's a hard salary cap you can't go over. Sure, schools will try and cheat, but at least there's a baseline for everybody. Right now there's nothing, it's the wild wild west out there.

That’s impossible. Once the Supreme Court ruled, it was going to be the wild, Wild West. There is no way of going back now.

 

[SkyPrince1]

The NCAA makes it a rule. Here's a hard salary cap you can't go over. Sure, schools will try and cheat, but at least there's a baseline for everybody. Right now there's nothing, it's the wild wild west out there.

A cap would only work if the players were on the university payroll like the coaches.
Im all for legit NIL.
The Ed O'bannon case started it all in.that he sued to be compensated for his NIL being used in a video game.
Im.all for Bronny and Mikey Williams making money off their social media following but i would say that 75-80% of Texas A&M and UT NI L deals are bogus.
Booster money laundered through a business as NIL but actually pay for play.
Im.not a lawyer but I dont see how this practice is bulletproof in court.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

I'm fine with NIL. The players deserve the money. The UK boosters and university need to pony up and keep up.

 

[Father Torque]

Again, that is arbitrary. It will never stand in court. You'll end up artificially lowering what a player can earn through his NIL. It won't be allowed.

Why wouldn't it? It stands up in the NFL, no reason it wouldn't stand up in the NCAA. Schools are allowed to spend X amount on fball players, period. It's the exact same model that the NFL has worked under for years.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Why wouldn't it? It stands up in the NFL, no reason it wouldn't stand up in the NCAA. Schools are allowed to spend X amount on fball players, period. It's the exact same model that the NFL has worked under for years.

It stands up in the NFL because there is a collective agreement with the players union. There is no players union in college. If you want one, make them employees and then see how bad the mess gets.

Not to mention, you are talking about a "salary" cap, not an endorsement cap. There is no endorsement cap in any pro sports because the players can do as they wish...to a point.

 

[sluggercatfan]

This whole talk about transfers and having to protect your team from NIL tampering by other teams is already pooped on my love for CFB after it’s first good full year.

Who in the world with any brains at all couldn’t foresee big booster teams like A&M and TN meteoring up the standings because they can buy people without all the hassle of trying to hide it.
The easier fix for this to me always was
Teams divide x% of annual revenue created by their sport evenly. Or something to that term. Letting people outright pay players is and always was recipe for a absolute crap show.

Just getting started Bro!

 

[Father Torque]

It stands up in the NFL because there is a collective agreement with the players union. There is no players union in college. If you want one, make them employees and then see how bad the mess gets.

Not to mention, you are talking about a "salary" cap, not an endorsement cap. There is no endorsement cap in any pro sports because the players can do as they wish...to a point.

You don't have to have one. The NCAA has had arbitrary rules for years and they can continue to have them. They say, "if you want to compete in the NCAA then your players can only make X amount be it endorsements or whatever." There is absolutely no reason that can't do that. Now whether the schools want to bend the knee to that demand is another story.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

You don't have to have one. The NCAA has had arbitrary rules for years and they can continue to have them. They say, "if you want to compete in the NCAA then your players can only make X amount be it endorsements or whatever." There is absolutely no reason that can't do that. Now whether the schools want to bend the knee to that demand is another story.

You can't possibly think that! So you literally think the NCAA can arbitrarily limit or cap NIL for players and or teams and you think it will survive litigation?

Wow.

I dont even know what to say.

 

[Father Torque]

You can't possibly think that! So you literally think the NCAA can arbitrarily limit or cap NIL for players and or teams and you think it will survive litigation?

Wow.

I dont even know what to say.

And you don't?! The NCAA is not a govt entity, they can and have, set rules that the member institutions must abide by or they cannot compete in the NCAA. Maybe you've been asleep the last 120 years.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

And you don't?! The NCAA is not a govt entity, they can and have, set rules that the member institutions must abide by or they cannot compete in the NCAA. Maybe you've been asleep the last 120 years.

Ok, so much for being nice. Apparently you're a moron. NCAA rules DO NOT OVERRIDE LAWS. Myriad state laws don't allow for the NCAA to control NIL amounts in any way. Furthermore, SCOTUS has said players have a right to their own NIL. Just what part of that do you think the NCAA can overrule? Please stop, I feel like I'm debating a 10 year old.

Will everyone who thinks @Father Torque is correct please speak up.

 

[bthaunert]

Why wouldn't it? It stands up in the NFL, no reason it wouldn't stand up in the NCAA. Schools are allowed to spend X amount on fball players, period. It's the exact same model that the NFL has worked under for years.

It does not stand up in the NFL. The NFL (and every other professional league) has zero say in how much money a player makes off the field through endorsements and such using their name, image and likeness.

Now that the Supreme Court has ruled in favor of the athlete, the NCAA has zero say in how much money a player can make off the field. There is literally nothing that can be done now.

You’re confusing yourself by comparing salary caps to endorsements. They are two totally different things.

 

[K_TIME]

It does not stand up in the NFL. The NFL (and every other professional league) has zero say in how much money a player makes off the field through endorsements and such using their name, image and likeness.

Now that the Supreme Court has ruled in favor of the athlete, the NCAA has zero say in how much money a player can make off the field. There is literally nothing that can be done now.

You’re confusing yourself by comparing salary caps to endorsements. They are two totally different things.

This is 100% correct. These guys are not technically getting paid by any university....but it's basically money laundered thru some business to ensure you play at the school of the business's choice mostly.

I just don't know how to get around this to keep a scenario where Bama, Tennessee, Georgia, Texas AM, Auburn, LSU have the team as a whole getting $14 Million and then teams like Kentucky, Mizzou, Ole Miss, Miss St, etc...having teams as a whole getting like $5 Million.

In the end, the scenario above is exactly what MLB has happening where the Dodges, Yankees, Red Sox, have payrolls like $330 Million vs. Arizona Diamondbacks had $116 Million payroll. ...that is nearly triple the payroll. In the end, I don't know how you can get to a NFL model of more evenly distributed payments. Eventually many team's fans will quit caring as you truly don't have a shot anymore and it will be like 30 programs that are really viable for a playoff or really good seasons. I don't see how UK is one of them to be honest.

i think this is one instance where the Supreme Court really screwed it up by their ruling.

 

[SkyPrince1]

This is 100% correct. These guys are not technically getting paid by any university....but it's basically money laundered thru some business to ensure you play at the school of the business's choice mostly.

I just don't know how to get around this to keep a scenario where Bama, Tennessee, Georgia, Texas AM, Auburn, LSU have the team as a whole getting $14 Million and then teams like Kentucky, Mizzou, Ole Miss, Miss St, etc...having teams as a whole getting like $5 Million.

In the end, the scenario above is exactly what MLB has happening where the Dodges, Yankees, Red Sox, have payrolls like $330 Million vs. Arizona Diamondbacks had $116 Million payroll. ...that is nearly triple the payroll. In the end, I don't know how you can get to a NFL model of more evenly distributed payments. Eventually many team's fans will quit caring as you truly don't have a shot anymore and it will be like 30 programs that are really viable for a playoff or really good seasons. I don't see how UK is one of them to be honest.

i think this is one instance where the Supreme Court really screwed it up by their ruling.

Was it really the SCOTUS intention to pave to way to what we're seeing now?
To me the only play the NCAA has is to attack the money laundering aspect of NIL.
The only way they do this is to pick out a particular kid with an unusually lucrative NIL deal and follow the money trail.
They would then declare the kid ineligible due to impermissable benefits.
From there the NCAA would have to prove their case and their case would have to be built around NIL fraud.

 

[Father Torque]

Ok, so much for being nice. Apparently you're a moron. NCAA rules DO NOT OVERRIDE LAWS. Myriad state laws don't allow for the NCAA to control NIL amounts in any way. Furthermore, SCOTUS has said players have a right to their own NIL. Just what part of that do you think the NCAA can overrule? Please stop, I feel like I'm debating a 10 year old.

Will everyone who thinks @Father Torque is correct please speak up.

Then don't act like a name calling grade schooler. Ignore button for you.

 

[thegasman54]

Yeah, but UGA has shown you can be successful without doing it. We took 0 transfers this year. Not to say he hasn't in the past or won't in the future, but CKS is all about getting people who WANT to be there.

Lol you can’t be serious w this crap ??? Uga boosters lining recruits players pockets to the max ( which I am fine with ) … put down this holier than thou crap

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Then don't act like a name calling grade schooler. Ignore button for you.

Ok, that's earned. I do apologize for calling you a moron. I do wish you'd listen though, you don't seem to have all the pieces to the puzzle.

 

[DCFseattle]

Was it really the SCOTUS intention to pave to way to what we're seeing now?
To me the only play the NCAA has is to attack the money laundering aspect of NIL.
The only way they do this is to pick out a particular kid with an unusually lucrative NIL deal and follow the money trail.
They would then declare the kid ineligible due to impermissable benefits.
From there the NCAA would have to prove their case and their case would have to be built around NIL fraud.

1) yes, it's what the supreme court intended. The only people who couldn't capitalize on their own name and face were prospective and current college student athletes. Even their peers on academic scholarship could. That's not even application.

2) The NCAA has no right to the financial particulars and no way to get to them.

3) what even is NIL fraud? As long as the athlete does the advertising contracted, there's no fraud. If I wanna give the 3rd string long snapper $65million to say "I like DCFseattle's smoked brisket the most" one time, it's my money to spend on advertising as I please.

I don't know how you think the NCAA can do literally anything about it. SCOTUS ruled 9-0 in favor of the case that basically ended the collegiate amateur scam colleges were running.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Was it really the SCOTUS intention to pave to way to what we're seeing now?
To me the only play the NCAA has is to attack the money laundering aspect of NIL.
The only way they do this is to pick out a particular kid with an unusually lucrative NIL deal and follow the money trail.
They would then declare the kid ineligible due to impermissable benefits.
From there the NCAA would have to prove their case and their case would have to be built around NIL fraud.

You must not know what money laundering is. First off, what is the illegal activity? Second, the NCAA has no subpoena power and private entities do not answer to them in any way.

 

[CRZ4UK]

Ok, that's earned. I do apologize for calling you a moron. I do wish you'd listen though, you don't seem to have all the pieces to the puzzle.

You seem to have some legal knowledge so why couldn’t schools do this??
Schools say the NCAA program is a amateur league. People with a NIL valuation of over 150k can’t play in our league. You must submit your NIL contracts to the school. The schools are saying your to highly paid to be in an amateur league. They are not limiting your earnings. Make as much as you want off your NIL. You just can’t play here anymore. They just say go somewhere else A private gym or league to play??

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

You seem to have some legal knowledge so why couldn’t schools do this??
Schools say the NCAA program is a amateur league. People with a NIL valuation of over 150k can’t play in our league. You must submit your NIL contracts to the school. The schools are saying your to highly paid to be in an amateur league. They are not limiting your earnings. Make as much as you want off your NIL. You just can’t play here anymore. They just say go somewhere else A private gym or league to play??

No, I'm just an opinionated idiot. I try to study law a bit but I'm no lawyer. Your twist is interesting. I'd have to think about it a bit but at first glance I dont see a major problem. Well done.

 

[SkyPrince1]

You must not know what money laundering is. First off, what is the illegal activity? Second, the NCAA has no subpoena power and private entities do not answer to them in any way.

I know exactly what it is from the standpoint of NIL payments.
You hide the true source of the funds through a business that the player is "supposed" to be endorsing. Small business can't afford huge NIL payments to players and its still illegal for boosters to directly pay players.
I agree with a lot of your points, i just don't agree that this system is completly bulletproof as you insinuate.
As long as humans are involved in this i have to believe there's a way to f××k it up and as someone who hates this current system I'm really rooting for a careless, overzelous booster along with an entitled player with a big mouth to throw a wrench in this.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I know exactly what it is from the standpoint of NIL payments.
You hide the true source of the funds through a business that the player is "supposed" to be endorsing. Small business can't afford huge NIL payments to players and its still illegal for boosters to directly pay players.
I agree with a lot of your points, i just don't agree that this system is completly bulletproof as you insinuate.
As long as humans are involved in this i have to believe there's a way to f××k it up and as someone who hates this current system I'm really rooting for a careless, overzelous booster along with an entitled player with a big mouth to throw a wrench in this.

I get it, I hate it too but "illegal" in regards to the NCAA and "illegal" in regards to the law are very different things. It just isn't illegal to pay a player or to pay him a lot. If that is true, money laundering doesn't exist.

 

[Gromcat]

The Supreme Court overstepped badly on this. This is amateurism, it’s not about capitalism. And even then, no one FORCED a single player to participate. Talk about capitalism? This is the opposite of capitalism. A private organization was forced by the government to change rules and forced them to pay. Capitalism? You leftists keep telling yourself that while everything is destroyed but you remain insufferably virtuous.

 

[ArtLaibsGhost]

College football is over, these guys are pros now as they are playing for money. I can't blame a kid for going where he can make the most money, it is human nature and it was inevitable when the system was created. Nobody but a select few of about 10 teams will EVER win the playoff from now on unless somebody strikes lightning in a bottle. Why do people think the pros have a s a Lary cap, to protect the competitive balance. College didn't put that in thier system so now we will have NO balance at all. Teams like UK will ha e no chance in future.

 

[93kicker]

Amateur athletics is dying.. it has been for a long time now. I think we are headed for the large schools having sports teams that rep. their school but are basically a lower pro league.. like soccer is done in Europe. Small d2 and d3 schools still may retain some semblance of amateurism. For years universities and coaches have been way overpaid for what the football teams in the sec and most other conferences bring in. The players should be able to make some of this money.. specifically football is a far more dangerous sport than golf or tennis, or even baseball or basketball.. the risk to their bodies is extreme and free tuition and board at a university is really not equitable.

For a golfer, swimmer, yea..

I support more money going to the kids and not the coaches and certainly not the universities. With that said, I think it will fall like a house of cards because it was a bad system.. mostly created because of the fans.. when 100k people come to an event.. that’s why there are issues.

We are headed toward a club type system where kids are all paid and yes those with access to more cash (boosters) will get better players.. but if it can go to a club type pro system.. at least everyone gets market value.. in the past the universities (some of them) cleaned up and football coaches are way way overpaid. And with a semi pro system they can then set salary caps if they want, etc.

 

[Gromcat]

Amateur athletics is dying.. it has been for a long time now. I think we are headed for the large schools having sports teams that rep. their school but are basically a lower pro league.. like soccer is done in Europe. Small d2 and d3 schools still may retain some semblance of amateurism. For years universities and coaches have been way overpaid for what the football teams in the sec and most other conferences bring in. The players should be able to make some of this money.. specifically football is a far more dangerous sport than golf or tennis, or even baseball or basketball.. the risk to their bodies is extreme and free tuition and board at a university is really not equitable.

For a golfer, swimmer, yea..

I support more money going to the kids and not the coaches and certainly not the universities. With that said, I think it will fall like a house of cards because it was a bad system.. mostly created because of the fans.. when 100k people come to an event.. that’s why there are issues.

We are headed toward a club type system where kids are all paid and yes those with access to more cash (boosters) will get better players.. but if it can go to a club type pro system.. at least everyone gets market value.. in the past the universities (some of them) cleaned up and football coaches are way way overpaid. And with a semi pro system they can then set salary caps if they want, etc.

Some of you forget one big thing. The vast majority of all the money the universities bring in goes BACK into the universities for funding. Some of you seem to think these universities sit around collecting billions on the backs of forced labor or some craziness. That’s not what happens. Students benefit by the money generated which is what COLLEGE is SUPPOSED to be about. Not this fake grievance nonsense.

Nobody is forcing these players to play. Nobody.

College should be about academics first.

I feel no sympathy for these players. They had a good deal and manipulated the system using political grievance and the Supreme Court bought the nonsense.

 

[93kicker]

“College should be about academics first”- I agree, I wish it was.. we’d be better off as a country.. but it’s not for many athletes.. see UK’s bb program.

The football programs supplement and in some cases pay for all other sports..

What’s not being said.. womens sports will suffer.. if it’s a market based system, they will suffer.. and universities won’t have as much football revenue (Although if they had contracts with the team for facilities etc, they can still make money off football) to support the other sports..

If a math genius can write a paten while in school using university resources and reap all the money from that paten, we can’t keep athletes from doing the same.

 

[The Public Enemy]

Some of you forget one big thing. The vast majority of all the money the universities bring in goes BACK into the universities for funding. Some of you seem to think these universities sit around collecting billions on the backs of forced labor or some craziness. That’s not what happens. Students benefit by the money generated which is what COLLEGE is SUPPOSED to be about. Not this fake grievance nonsense.

Nobody is forcing these players to play. Nobody.

College should be about academics first.

I feel no sympathy for these players. They had a good deal and manipulated the system using political grievance and the Supreme Court bought the nonsense.

It was a 9-0 Supreme Court decision and Justice Kavanugh said it best … restricting athletes from profiting on their Name, Image and Likeness and other thing made College Athletics a walking Anti-Trust Violation … the Federal Court didn’t buy anything ... They applied Federal and Constitutional law … if ppl don’t like it … get over it

 

[Cefiro]

UK is now paying Stoops $8.6million/year. How is it fair they pay the coach almost $10million and the players can’t make anything.

 

[Kentuckynerd]

NIL Caps when?

 

[ACT ONE]

Maybe Stoops can have a 24 hour telethon like the old Jerry Lewis telethon to raise money? Discount his bourbon with all proceeds going to NIL? Have each of his players on their own bourbon bottle. LOL! This whole NIL thing is turning into a circus.

 

[blubo]

Paying college players is going to make the game better for everybody. it’s the right thing to do. universities make $$mm off the backs off these poor exploited athletes and the players get squat. a year or two from now college sports will be so fair and equitable we’ll hardly recognize it.

 

[IFerg1969]

I'm fine with NIL. The players deserve the money. The UK boosters and university need to pony up and keep up.

Well, technically anyone could pony up if it's a NIL collective. Just donate money. I do okay but I'm not filthy, rotten, stinking rich and cannot just afford to throw money at something that I really have no control over anyway. I'll just say it, I want UK to be good, but I'm not willing to pay for it out of my own pocket other than to patronize the games by purchasing tickets and concessions. That's the limit to which I will support UK football. If I'd won the 2 billion dollar lottery a couple of weeks ago I might think differently.