Already sick of NIL.

[Tf2217]

This whole talk about transfers and having to protect your team from NIL tampering by other teams is already pooped on my love for CFB after it’s first good full year.

Who in the world with any brains at all couldn’t foresee big booster teams like A&M and TN meteoring up the standings because they can buy people without all the hassle of trying to hide it.
The easier fix for this to me always was
Teams divide x% of annual revenue created by their sport evenly. Or something to that term. Letting people outright pay players is and always was recipe for a absolute crap show.

 

[Tskware]

Kyle Whittingham (Utah) and Kirk Ferentz (Iowa) have pretty much said the same thing

 

[K_TIME]

Agree totally.

1. I'm cool if a guy wants to transfer as he doesn't fit the program, is on the bench or struggles to get along with coach, etc... They should still have to sit 1 year (I can be fine with the graduate transfer thing). Jeff Badet I hated to see him go....but he wanted a more pass offense and he was a graduate so it was reasonable.
2. But if we start down this path....why would fans even care if you're not a top 10 program?

It's already sort of dumb to have all these 5 stars lining up at Bama, UGA, Ohio St, etc... and then we have 3 stars with a few 4 stars sprinkled in to compete. But if on top of that nonsense, you're going to allow top tier teams to cherry pick the few really good players off our rosters whenever they have a hole to fill (i.e. Bama getting Vandy's best Oline, Bama gettin Tennessee best Lber, Bama getting UL best WR, USC getting Pitt's best player, etc..)...screw that model. It's like MLB where a few teams get a $250-300 million payroll and then a bunch are at $100 million payroll. Why even care?

If UK loses Walker, Barion, Afari, etc..to this bulljive....I'd be hard pressed to even really follow the team and go to games much. It's like just contract football programs and have 20 teams playing all star games against one another.

 

[piledriver4]

Yeah, but UGA has shown you can be successful without doing it. We took 0 transfers this year. Not to say he hasn't in the past or won't in the future, but CKS is all about getting people who WANT to be there.

 

[Hjack]

This whole talk about transfers and having to protect your team from NIL tampering by other teams is already pooped on my love for CFB after it’s first good full year.

Who in the world with any brains at all couldn’t foresee big booster teams like A&M and TN meteoring up the standings because they can buy people without all the hassle of trying to hide it.
The easier fix for this to me always was
Teams divide x% of annual revenue created by their sport evenly. Or something to that term. Letting people outright pay players is and always was recipe for a absolute crap show.

Ut was doing it many years before anyone had ever heard of NIL.

 

[FanofUK]

Well the good news is these teams can only start 3 or more wr and 1 or 2 rb and 1 qb. They will have so many 4 stars and good 3 stars sitting they will move on also. We gotta get a fun offense to lure people here or settle for the 3 stars they are not getting time.

 

[Tf2217]

Yeah, but UGA has shown you can be successful without doing it. We took 0 transfers this year. Not to say he hasn't in the past or won't in the future, but CKS is all about getting people who WANT to be there.

Sorry but overall GA has killed us and everyone else in recruiting. If we had GAs players at a few of our weak spots we would be a outstanding team.

A lot easier to not have holes to fill when your backups are better than some teams starters overall. Of course GA and Kirby is a lot different that little ole Stoops and UK.
But years and years of crap football and our huge vagina of a coach we’ve had for 10 years hurts us on the recruiting front quite terribly. But comparing Ga to not needing a transfer or two to little ole Kentucky is comedic at best.

Hell I could be a decent recruiter at GA or Bama, or a skill position recruiter for TN that stuff sells itself.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Yeah, but UGA has shown you can be successful without doing it. We took 0 transfers this year. Not to say he hasn't in the past or won't in the future, but CKS is all about getting people who WANT to be there.

A tad tone deaf?

 

[sefus12]

Yeah, but UGA has shown you can be successful without doing it. We took 0 transfers this year. Not to say he hasn't in the past or won't in the future, but CKS is all about getting people who WANT to be there.

In no universe can you compare UGAs recruiting to UKs. We simply don’t have the same luxuries a UGA or Bama have. We take talent where we can get it.

 

[IFerg1969]

This whole talk about transfers and having to protect your team from NIL tampering by other teams is already pooped on my love for CFB after it’s first good full year.

Who in the world with any brains at all couldn’t foresee big booster teams like A&M and TN meteoring up the standings because they can buy people without all the hassle of trying to hide it.
The easier fix for this to me always was
Teams divide x% of annual revenue created by their sport evenly. Or something to that term. Letting people outright pay players is and always was recipe for a absolute crap show.

I've wondered this same thing from the very beginning. We've gone from paying players being a crime and the NCAA wrecking some programs for years because of it straight to teams with the most money to pay players rising to the top. NIL has ruined college basketball and football for me. The OAD in basketball already had me squarely on that path anyway.

I still follow it because I love football and basketball and I'm not really a pro sports guy. I was always in favor of paying players something but never wanted it to be a recruiting advantage or a "richest programs win" type of deal. But, that's exactly where it's headed. I'd like to see the scholarships limit lowered in CFB to maybe 75 instead of 85. At least that combined with kids going into the portal because they actually want to play somewhere instead of riding the pine would keep teams like UGA and Bama from hoarding talent. Maybe spread it around a little more.

 

[TNTUK]

This whole talk about transfers and having to protect your team from NIL tampering by other teams is already pooped on my love for CFB after it’s first good full year.

Who in the world with any brains at all couldn’t foresee big booster teams like A&M and TN meteoring up the standings because they can buy people without all the hassle of trying to hide it.
The easier fix for this to me always was
Teams divide x% of annual revenue created by their sport evenly. Or something to that term. Letting people outright pay players is and always was recipe for a absolute crap show.

You can thank the US Supreme Court. They have rendered the NCAA powerless.

 

[megablue]

It’s BIG !!
It’s HERE !!
It has Arrived !!!

It SUCKS !!!

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

You can thank the US Supreme Court. They have rendered the NCAA powerless.

That is basically true. Now that Pandora's Box is open, there is no closing it. I don't believe any legislation to limit NIL would survive scrutiny, therefore, it's exactly as predicted. The deepest pockets can buy players out of high school and from other teams.

I don't really care if they shut the sports down at this point, but they won't.

 

[JrandoUK]

This whole talk about transfers and having to protect your team from NIL tampering by other teams is already pooped on my love for CFB after it’s first good full year.

Who in the world with any brains at all couldn’t foresee big booster teams like A&M and TN meteoring up the standings because they can buy people without all the hassle of trying to hide it.
The easier fix for this to me always was
Teams divide x% of annual revenue created by their sport evenly. Or something to that term. Letting people outright pay players is and always was recipe for a absolute crap show.

I was all for players getting to make some money off their NIL, but said when it was being discussed that if the NCAA didn’t have a plan then it would be a free for all! Rich we’re gonna get richer and poor we’re gonna b left behind. Unfortunately UK fell into the poor category partly b/c our AD personal beliefs were against it therefore he stuck his head in the sand until we were so far behind! I wish for once UK would be innovative and the trendsetter in just 1 area…. Those who oppressed UK football for decades should be ashamed. I know most of them aren’t alive now!
Not having alcohol sales at Rupp n Kroger (except for the rich), could generate lots of revenue….just sad

 

[Bill Bixby II]

I was all for players getting to make some money off their NIL, but said when it was being discussed that if the NCAA didn’t have a plan then it would be a free for all! Rich we’re gonna get richer and poor we’re gonna b left behind. Unfortunately UK fell into the poor category partly b/c our AD personal beliefs were against it therefore he stuck his head in the sand until we were so far behind! I wish for once UK would be innovative and the trendsetter in just 1 area…. Those who oppressed UK football for decades should be ashamed. I know most of them aren’t alive now!
Not having alcohol sales at Rupp n Kroger (except for the rich), could generate lots of revenue….just sad

ADs personal beliefs were against it. I would ask you what this is based on but we all know you're lying and will never answer. Did you talk to Mitch Barnhart about his personal beliefs? Did he say he was against it? No? Well where did you get it from? LOL at these KSR clowns.

 

[JrandoUK]

ADs personal beliefs were against it. I would ask you what this is based on but we all know you're lying and will never answer. Did you talk to Mitch Barnhart about his personal beliefs? Did he say he was against it? No? Well where did you get it from? LOL at these KSR clowns.

He said it in an interview you clown…

 

[JrandoUK]

He said it in an interview you clown…

He also said we had a good atmosphere at football games and didn’t need alcohol sold…

 

[Bill Bixby II]

He also said we had a good atmosphere at football games and didn’t need alcohol sold…

You couldn't post that interview if you life depended on it because you're lying. Like most simple-minded KSR sheep, you're a lowlife liar. Never once did he say he was against NIL. Its a lie you clowns keep repeating. Whats even more pathetic is most of yall are too stupid to even kmow what NIL is.

 

[Bill Bixby II]

He's against NIL says these lowlife lying clowns. Ask them to provide evidence of their claims and they go running like the cowards they are. Weak sheep too pathetic to back up what they say. It should be so easy to make me look stupid but none of these clowns can provide a stitch of evidence. "He said it in an interview", well what interview?

Their only argument to defend their lies is you're Mitch Barnhart, Mitch Barnhart’s wife, work for Mitch Barnhart, or work for JMI. Well I'm none of the above. I just hate filth who spew lies that hurt UK.


So again, what interview did Mitch Barnhart say he was against NIL? It certainly wasn't this one where he set the record straight for the liars.

WATCH: Mitch Barnhart sets the record straight on NIL

On Thursday, Mitch Barnhart penned an open letter to the BBN, all sharing the same message that Kentucky is all in on NIL.

www.lex18.com

 

[JrandoUK]

You couldn't post that interview if you life depended on it because you're lying. Like most simple-minded KSR sheep, you're a lowlife liar. Never once did he say he was against NIL. Its a lie you clowns keep repeating. Whats even more pathetic is most of yall are too stupid to even kmow what NIL is.

Ok Mitch…

 

[Bill Bixby II]

Ok Mitch…

There it is. "Ok Mitch" is the defense of his pathetic lies. These weak sheep are so predictable and have the same talking points. They're complete jokes.

 

[Bill Bixby II]

Ok Mitch…

Here ya go, Mitch Barnhart had an entire press conferences on NIL a year ago. Nowhere did he say, hint, or imply that he was against NIL. Specifically what interview are you talking about? Oh that's right, you're lying and can't say.

 

[wildcatglenn]

I think college sports, especially football should look at what English soccer does. They have a pyramid system of leagues. Basically the bottom 2 drop to a lower league and the top 2 move up. If the programs in the bigger conferences aren't willing to play the NIL game then they would eventually be relegated to a lower tier.

 

[SkyPrince1]

That is basically true. Now that Pandora's Box is open, there is no closing it. I don't believe any legislation to limit NIL would survive scrutiny, therefore, it's exactly as predicted. The deepest pockets can buy players out of high school and from other teams.

I don't really care if they shut the sports down at this point, but they won't.

Collectives have yet to be challenged in court.
The NCAA also has nothing in place like a clearinghouse to weed out fake NIL deals.
I think you could definatly litigate paying NIL over and above a resonanable market value.
Example: Paying a UC recruit a bigger endorsement deal than Burrow would get.

 

[lakercat]

Yeah, but UGA has shown you can be successful without doing it. We took 0 transfers this year. Not to say he hasn't in the past or won't in the future, but CKS is all about getting people who WANT to be there.

Tell me that you know nothing about college football, without telling me you know nothing about college football. Or that you're just a bandwagon fan, since you opened your account a week ago.

Ban worthy for sure

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Collectives have yet to be challenged in court.
The NCAA also has nothing in place like a clearinghouse to weed out fake NIL deals.
I think you could definatly litigate paying NIL over and above a resonanable market value.
Example: Paying a UC recruit a bigger endorsement deal than Burrow would get.

Arbitrary, value is what someone is willing to pay. There is no way to cap a deal, who would get to determine the cap, what would that cap be based on and why would a court see it as anything other than an arbitrary and capricious act to limit earnings?


As for collectives, states like Tennessee have laws in place that both encourage and support collectives. By what measure could you do anything about collectives?

 

[bthaunert]

You can thank the US Supreme Court. They have rendered the NCAA powerless.

Imo, the fault lies with the NCAA. They fought this for years. They had every opportunity to do something and they sat on their hands thinking it would just go away. They could have been creative in finding ways for athletes to make money with a cap and I think athletes would have been very happy with it.

 

[southindycat]

Yeah... I'm done if this degenerates into the rich get richer. Done. I'll make sure I have plenty of rugby, soccer and lacrosse to watch.

 

[Popquiz81]

God forbid the players get something from the billions and billions of dollars they generate each year.

Or do you think people are tuning into watch Stoops 7 million dollar a year ass scream at the officials like an idiot?

Everyone loves Capitalism until it hits something they’ve emotionally invested in that has operated outside of it for decades while schools, conferences and coaches rake in the money.

 

[TNTUK]

Imo, the fault lies with the NCAA. They fought this for years. They had every opportunity to do something and they sat on their hands thinking it would just go away. They could have been creative in finding ways for athletes to make money with a cap and I think athletes would have been very happy with it.

I believe the Supreme Court would strike down any plan that limits an athlete’s ability to earn as much money as he is worth in the market.

The Supreme Court literally took any power the NCAA had in this regard.

 

[Bill Bixby II]

God forbid the players get something from the billions and billions of dollars they generate each year.

Or do you think people are tuning into watch Stoops 7 million dollar a year ass scream at the officials like an idiot?

Everyone loves Capitalism until it hits something they’ve emotionally invested in that has operated outside of it for decades while schools, conferences and coaches rake in the money.

Coaches making millions never turned them off. Players still not getting paid from Universties but getting their market rate from third parties does.

 

[SkyPrince1]

Arbitrary, value is what someone is willing to pay. There is no way to cap a deal, who would get to determine the cap, what would that cap be based on and why would a court see it as anything other than an arbitrary and capricious act to limit earnings?


As for collectives, states like Tennessee have laws in place that both encourage and support collectives. By what measure could you do anything about collectives?

You are not capping the earnings as much as you are disqualifing a over the top NIL deal as pay for play disguised as compensation for use of a players name , image and likeness.
The NCAA needs a clearinghouse where a particular deal could be put under a microscope to see exactly who is funding it and what the payee recieves in return for their payment.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

You are not capping the earnings as much as you are disqualifing a over the top NIL deal as pay for play disguised as compensation for use of a players name , image and likeness.
The NCAA needs a clearinghouse where a particular deal could be put under a microscope to see exactly who is funding it and what the payee recieves in return for their payment.

I'm not sure what you don't understand here. Whether it is 1 deal or an aggregate of 100, arbitrarily capping earnings will never stand. Your opinion that is pay for play isn't relevant.

Again, who gets to decide what is "over the top" and what would they be basing that on?

As for a clearinghouse with the NCAA, you must be kidding. They lack the authority. Far too many states have laws in place that would prohibit any such clearinghouse.

 

[BlueTick2]

It’s BIG !!
It’s HERE !!
It has Arrived !!!

It SUCKS !!!

It's just beginning to suck.
Afterall what could go wrong with teenagers with many thousands of dollars to play with.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

God forbid the players get something from the billions and billions of dollars they generate each year.

Or do you think people are tuning into watch Stoops 7 million dollar a year ass scream at the officials like an idiot?

Everyone loves Capitalism until it hits something they’ve emotionally invested in that has operated outside of it for decades while schools, conferences and coaches rake in the money.

Hmm, well, amateurism isn't supposed to be capitalistic. People tune in to watch a team Stoops has put together and taught along with the never ending responsibilities he has. As for the players, they were well taken care of before. If you think this mess is good for college sports, I don't know how to help you.

 

[gojvc]

Agree totally. If UK loses Walker, Barion, Afari, etc..to this bulljive....I'd be hard pressed to even really follow the team and go to games much. It's like just contract football programs and have 20 teams playing all star games against one another.

I was told last night at work by a young man who went to HS with him that you might be able to add JJ Weaver to that list. Take it for what it’s worth, which may be nothing, but nothing would shock me.

 

[bthaunert]

I believe the Supreme Court would strike down any plan that limits an athlete’s ability to earn as much money as he is worth in the market.

The Supreme Court literally took any power the NCAA had in this regard.

It was taken to the supreme court because the NCAA sat on their ass and dug their feet in for years. I believe this would have never been an issue if the NCAA would have acted in the best interest of the athlete. The fact they ruled Jeremy Bloom ineligible to play football at Colorado because he had endorsements from his Olympic skiing career is crazy. They had years to come up with a system that would have satisfied athletes, so this would have never gotten to the supreme court, but nope, let's make millions off of them and keep pushing the "you get a free education" narrative. It is 100% on the NCAA that they didn't do anything sooner.

 

[sluggercatfan]

It was taken to the supreme court because the NCAA sat on their ass and dug their feet in for years. I believe this would have never been an issue if the NCAA would have acted in the best interest of the athlete. The fact they ruled Jeremy Bloom ineligible to play football at Colorado because he had endorsements from his Olympic skiing career is crazy. They had years to come up with a system that would have satisfied athletes, so this would have never gotten to the supreme court, but nope, let's make millions off of them and keep pushing the "you get a free education" narrative. It is 100% on the NCAA that they didn't do anything sooner.

Danny Ainge played pro baseball while playing basketball at BYU.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

It was taken to the supreme court because the NCAA sat on their ass and dug their feet in for years. I believe this would have never been an issue if the NCAA would have acted in the best interest of the athlete. The fact they ruled Jeremy Bloom ineligible to play football at Colorado because he had endorsements from his Olympic skiing career is crazy. They had years to come up with a system that would have satisfied athletes, so this would have never gotten to the supreme court, but nope, let's make millions off of them and keep pushing the "you get a free education" narrative. It is 100% on the NCAA that they didn't do anything sooner.

It may have delayed it a bit but I think this outcome with this entitled generation was inevitable. All it takes is one angry kid pushing the issue to the max. That kid would have popped up.

 

[sluggercatfan]

Hmm, well, amateurism isn't supposed to be capitalistic. People tune in to watch a team Stoops has put together and taught along with the never ending responsibilities he has. As for the players, they were well taken care of before. If you think this mess is good for college sports, I don't know how to help you.

Agree totally!! If it wasn't for fb/bb 60% of these kids probably couldn't even get into college on their academic qualifications. I don't mind them getting a little more, but some of this stuff is a bit ridiculous.