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All this whining and crying ain’t gonna fix it

If you don't believe anything will ever be done, why are you complaining? If I thought it doesn't matter what the performance of a coach is, I certainly wouldn't invest my time, money, and energy caring one way or other about the program.

Where did I say nothing would be done? I said that it's pointless to think Mitch would can Stoops next year for another down season if we really believe the buyout is the issue. I don't actually think it is. I think Mitch really likes Stoops and wants to support him regardless, just like he tried to do with Joker and like he tried to do with Cal (but I know Mitch hated Cal).

The only person he had to fire was legitimately abusing players and drinking on the job.

I won't be contributing to anything UK football related until Stoops is gone because I think he's being stubborn to get his money that his buddy (for some unknown reason) decided to dump on him.
 
Ok it’s been a few days. Let’s get over the butthurt of losing to Louisville and use it to motivate the fix. Crying about it isn’t going to fix the problem. We need to get everybody on the same page working towards the ultimate goal. If we lose 50 players then so be it. Let’s get some mean ass animals in here that want to work. Get rid of the boys. Gotta use NIL to find some character guys and hopefully have some leaders emerge. The next time we see another idiot at the concession stand we all need to walk over and rip his ass.
We're allowed to have our opinion internet tough guy. Oh and piss off.
 
Telling everyone upset to shut up less than a week after UL beating the brakes off of us and finishing a 4-8 season, is definitely not reading the room. People need to vent. If you can't handle that don't read the threads.
 
UK paying top 10 money to get top 40 results.

UK pays top 10 money for a coach because it has to pay more to keep a good coaching staff. There's no question the staff is good. Are they great? Have they had a great year? Not by their own standards

The list isn't very big of other schools being okay with that. Most of the Top 10 money competing for playoff spots.
"ALL of the Top 10 money" are not anything like UK. Football is their prime sport. HS Football is massive in their state. Their states produce a ton of talent or their past production and money gets them top recruits.

Jimmys and Joes....

We are not even close to finishing in the top 25 the overwhelming majority of his years here.

CFP final rankings
3 years

18 we were 14th
21 we were 22nd

22 we were 24th (in early November)

4 of the last 7 years we finished the season in or near the top 25.

Took 4 recruiting classes to build up to first 10 win season. Took 3 more to build up to second 10 win season.

We got off track from this pattern, imo, because we stopped gaging recruits by heart, mentality, and drive, and instead went solely on HS talent rating. We became less selective and more selected after 4 relatively successful years.

This happens to programs sometimes. It's not easy to fix, but it can be fixable. We'll see if they can do it.
 
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Time to pony up and walk away IMO.

That's a losers mentality that says more about the people suggesting it.

1 sht year after 8 good years, great 8 yr run by UK standards, and you'd just give up? You and quite a few others by the look of it. Not surprising, but sad

I hope they do get a bowl next year and another 10 or maybe 11 win season after that, then leave for a more well funded and supported program and go to the playoffs. They will have earned it
 
UK pays top 10 money for a coach because it has to pay more to keep a good coaching staff. There's no question the staff is good. Are they great? Have they had a great year? Not by their own standards


"ALL of the Top 10 money" are not anything like UK. Football is their prime sport. HS Football is massive in their state. Their states produce a ton of talent or their past production and money gets them top recruits.

Jimmys and Joes....



CFP final rankings
3 years

18 we were 14th
21 we were 22nd

22 we were 24th (in early November)

4 of the last 7 years we finished the season in or near the top 25.

Took 4 recruiting classes to build up to first 10 win season. Took 3 more to build up to second 10 win season.

We got off track from this pattern, imo, because we stopped gaging recruits by heart, mentality, and drive, and instead went solely on HS talent rating. We became less selective and more selected after 4 relatively successful years.

This happens to programs sometimes. It's not easy to fix, but it can be fixable. We'll see if they can do it.
Like I said, the overwhelming majority of years we don't sniff the top 25. That's a 25 percent clip for a top 10 paid coach. Regardless of high school talent, no other program would be okay with those results for that pay. If Stoops was such a prized coach, he would of been poached by now. The only confirmed team that wanted him ended up having their fans and boosters protest the hire. Mitch has overpayed and will have to ride it out regardless of results. Hopefully he can turn it around, but it will take gaining back control of the players. I've heard some inside rumblings that certain players had some really bad practice habits and the assistant coaches were instructed to ignore it.
 
Someone explain to Girthang that this "good" staff is sub 500 overall, was 2-28 VS sec teams with a winning record coming into the year and just went win less at home VS the SEC.

If that's good, I suppose I've yet to see bad then. It's almost as if Stoops feasted on trash UF, USCjr and Miss St teams all those "good years" only to completely shit down their leg the moment a legit team comes up on the schedule.

You also mentioned we pay top dollar to keep a good coaching staff. What does that mean? Half of this staff is downright awful (Boulware, Wolford, Stoops' brother, etc). The only bright spot is Brad White and he's extremely vanilla.

We are paying one guy 9 mill a year, which is top 10 among all coaches in college football to barely be top 25 one out of four years.

What a bargain.
 
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