All this whining and crying ain’t gonna fix it

[Irish Beck]

If you don't believe anything will ever be done, why are you complaining? If I thought it doesn't matter what the performance of a coach is, I certainly wouldn't invest my time, money, and energy caring one way or other about the program.

Where did I say nothing would be done? I said that it's pointless to think Mitch would can Stoops next year for another down season if we really believe the buyout is the issue. I don't actually think it is. I think Mitch really likes Stoops and wants to support him regardless, just like he tried to do with Joker and like he tried to do with Cal (but I know Mitch hated Cal).

The only person he had to fire was legitimately abusing players and drinking on the job.

I won't be contributing to anything UK football related until Stoops is gone because I think he's being stubborn to get his money that his buddy (for some unknown reason) decided to dump on him.

 

[secrules3]

Ok it’s been a few days. Let’s get over the butthurt of losing to Louisville and use it to motivate the fix. Crying about it isn’t going to fix the problem. We need to get everybody on the same page working towards the ultimate goal. If we lose 50 players then so be it. Let’s get some mean ass animals in here that want to work. Get rid of the boys. Gotta use NIL to find some character guys and hopefully have some leaders emerge. The next time we see another idiot at the concession stand we all need to walk over and rip his ass.

We're allowed to have our opinion internet tough guy. Oh and piss off.

 

[chevyman 50]

If Stoops is not gone then Ky will never be any better.

 

[BlueTick2]

If Stoops is not gone then Ky will never be any better.

Clairvoyant? Please give me next week's lotter numbers and I will make sure UK won't have any NIL issues.

 

[ArtLaibsGhost]

Telling everyone upset to shut up less than a week after UL beating the brakes off of us and finishing a 4-8 season, is definitely not reading the room. People need to vent. If you can't handle that don't read the threads.

 

[Girthang]

UK paying top 10 money to get top 40 results.

UK pays top 10 money for a coach because it has to pay more to keep a good coaching staff. There's no question the staff is good. Are they great? Have they had a great year? Not by their own standards

The list isn't very big of other schools being okay with that. Most of the Top 10 money competing for playoff spots.

"ALL of the Top 10 money" are not anything like UK. Football is their prime sport. HS Football is massive in their state. Their states produce a ton of talent or their past production and money gets them top recruits.

Jimmys and Joes....

We are not even close to finishing in the top 25 the overwhelming majority of his years here.

CFP final rankings
3 years

18 we were 14th
21 we were 22nd

22 we were 24th (in early November)

4 of the last 7 years we finished the season in or near the top 25.

Took 4 recruiting classes to build up to first 10 win season. Took 3 more to build up to second 10 win season.

We got off track from this pattern, imo, because we stopped gaging recruits by heart, mentality, and drive, and instead went solely on HS talent rating. We became less selective and more selected after 4 relatively successful years.

This happens to programs sometimes. It's not easy to fix, but it can be fixable. We'll see if they can do it.

 

[Girthang]

Time to pony up and walk away IMO.

That's a losers mentality that says more about the people suggesting it.

1 sht year after 8 good years, great 8 yr run by UK standards, and you'd just give up? You and quite a few others by the look of it. Not surprising, but sad

I hope they do get a bowl next year and another 10 or maybe 11 win season after that, then leave for a more well funded and supported program and go to the playoffs. They will have earned it

 

[NoDef]

UK pays top 10 money for a coach because it has to pay more to keep a good coaching staff. There's no question the staff is good. Are they great? Have they had a great year? Not by their own standards


"ALL of the Top 10 money" are not anything like UK. Football is their prime sport. HS Football is massive in their state. Their states produce a ton of talent or their past production and money gets them top recruits.

Jimmys and Joes....



CFP final rankings
3 years

18 we were 14th
21 we were 22nd

22 we were 24th (in early November)

4 of the last 7 years we finished the season in or near the top 25.

Took 4 recruiting classes to build up to first 10 win season. Took 3 more to build up to second 10 win season.

We got off track from this pattern, imo, because we stopped gaging recruits by heart, mentality, and drive, and instead went solely on HS talent rating. We became less selective and more selected after 4 relatively successful years.

This happens to programs sometimes. It's not easy to fix, but it can be fixable. We'll see if they can do it.

Like I said, the overwhelming majority of years we don't sniff the top 25. That's a 25 percent clip for a top 10 paid coach. Regardless of high school talent, no other program would be okay with those results for that pay. If Stoops was such a prized coach, he would of been poached by now. The only confirmed team that wanted him ended up having their fans and boosters protest the hire. Mitch has overpayed and will have to ride it out regardless of results. Hopefully he can turn it around, but it will take gaining back control of the players. I've heard some inside rumblings that certain players had some really bad practice habits and the assistant coaches were instructed to ignore it.

 

[chevyman 50]

Clairvoyant? Please give me next week's lotter numbers and I will make sure UK won't have any NIL issues.

Stoops has been at UK for 12 years making 9 million a yr don't take a rocket scientist to see that Ky can do better.

 

[Irish Beck]

Someone explain to Girthang that this "good" staff is sub 500 overall, was 2-28 VS sec teams with a winning record coming into the year and just went win less at home VS the SEC.

If that's good, I suppose I've yet to see bad then. It's almost as if Stoops feasted on trash UF, USCjr and Miss St teams all those "good years" only to completely shit down their leg the moment a legit team comes up on the schedule.

You also mentioned we pay top dollar to keep a good coaching staff. What does that mean? Half of this staff is downright awful (Boulware, Wolford, Stoops' brother, etc). The only bright spot is Brad White and he's extremely vanilla.

We are paying one guy 9 mill a year, which is top 10 among all coaches in college football to barely be top 25 one out of four years.

What a bargain.

 

[BlueTick2]

Stoops has been at UK for 12 years making 9 million a yr don't take a rocket scientist to see that Ky can do better.

0-10-1 and 2-9 seasons doesn't take a rocket science to that is much better. 8 straight bowl games and 2- 10 win seasons, Nick Saben ain't walking thru that door. Like UK has been a powerhouse FB program all these years. Disappointed this season absolutely yes. Stoops took over a program that was a laughing joke. Even as poor as UK was this season ask Georgia. Ole Miss and Tennessee how difficult UK was this year. I'm sure we could get Joker or a similar coach back for a much cheaper price. By the way if you don't remember the first 3 seasons Stoops was not making 9 million to take over UK's dumpster fire.

 

[Girthang]

0-10-1 and 2-9 seasons doesn't take a rocket science to that is much better. 8 straight bowl games and 2- 10 win seasons, Nick Saben ain't walking thru that door. Like UK has been a powerhouse FB program all these years. Disappointed this season absolutely yes. Stoops took over a program that was a laughing joke. Even as poor as UK was this season ask Georgia. Ole Miss and Tennessee how difficult UK was this year. I'm sure we could get Joker or a similar coach back for a much cheaper price. By the way if you don't remember the first 3 seasons Stoops was not making 9 million to take over UK's dumpster fire.

Took us UP to the point of beating a very good UF team in 2018 at their place on the way to 2nd in the SEC East. No one can take that away from them. Couldn't maintain it, which is understandable even if it is disappointing. Almost no one saw it coming and the LOD didn't enjoy it while it WAS HAPPENING, L O L.

Sucks to be them. Always

 

[SmokinGun9]

Stoops has been at UK for 12 years making 9 million a yr don't take a rocket scientist to see that Ky can do better.

I agree with you. I believe Sumrall wants this job but there’s gotta be an opening first. I feel like CMS is on a 1 year I better make things better contract then no matter the buyout, if he flames out, he’s gone. I also think too much is made of these buyouts and their affordability. Each school received over 50 million in 2023. The buyout is not the problem.

 

[Girthang]

. Each school received over 50 million in 2023. The buyout is not the problem.

Lol. If they didn't have any expenses, sure. They do, though. They have budgets. Getting 50M doesn't mean you have an xtra 30M to throw around. That's not how it works.

That's like saying you have 60k of your 100k salary sitting around to pay off the exotic dancer who slipped on your dollar bill. No big deal, right?

 

[Irish Beck]

0-10-1 and 2-9 seasons doesn't take a rocket science to that is much better. 8 straight bowl games and 2- 10 win seasons, Nick Saben ain't walking thru that door. Like UK has been a powerhouse FB program all these years. Disappointed this season absolutely yes. Stoops took over a program that was a laughing joke. Even as poor as UK was this season ask Georgia. Ole Miss and Tennessee how difficult UK was this year. I'm sure we could get Joker or a similar coach back for a much cheaper price. By the way if you don't remember the first 3 seasons Stoops was not making 9 million to take over UK's dumpster fire.

At the end of the day, Stoops cannot beat better teams with any regularity, seldom beats teams of equal strength and will be remembered for breaking the UF curse. Unfortunately, he will also be remembered for trying to leave, getting embarrassed into lying about turning down the job, completely shitting the bed the following year and begrudgingly holding onto a position for the sake of 44 million dollars.

I want to remember him for "If you want something you've never had, you must be willing to do something you've never done," but it's increasingly more likely to be for "Pony up".

Let's also not forget our best season was wiped from the record books and we're on probation, so there's that too.

 

[UKNothinButNet]

Stoops needs to go somewhere and be a defensive coordinator. He has demonstrated that offense is not his ‘forte’. You can tell he is not the least bit interested in it. He can’t keep an OC or develop a quarterback. In 12 years, he has not been able figure it out. And that’s on top of his inability to maintain player discipline which has always kept his teams from maximizing their potential.

 

[Girthang]

Most people have already chosen what they will remember someone for well before it is said. They pick and choose based on tbe opinion they already have. The LOD always remember the bad because they choose it. They're programmed to do so by years if negativity, and they're the only ones that can change the pattern.

For most it's too late. They're addicted to rage and pity

 

[wildcat_bigd]

 

[Irish Beck]

Most people have already chosen what they will remember someone for well before it is said. They pick and choose based on tbe opinion they already have. The LOD always remember the bad because they choose it. They're programmed to do so by years if negativity, and they're the only ones that can change the pattern.

For most it's too late. They're addicted to rage and pity

Its cool, there were people on this board defending Joker after Vandy too. Plenty of them in fact.

If that's your prerogative, so be it. I just don't understand why people would continue to support a guy who clearly doesn't want to be here if not for 9/44m reasons and who has consistently underperformed as a coach against even his own best teams (much less the 9 other coaches who have all had much more post season success).

That is, unless you're just sick of people complaining, like OP, which I completely understand but think you have to understand the point of a message board dedicated to a niche interest.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[chevyman 50]

0-10-1 and 2-9 seasons doesn't take a rocket science to that is much better. 8 straight bowl games and 2- 10 win seasons, Nick Saben ain't walking thru that door. Like UK has been a powerhouse FB program all these years. Disappointed this season absolutely yes. Stoops took over a program that was a laughing joke. Even as poor as UK was this season ask Georgia. Ole Miss and Tennessee how difficult UK was this year. I'm sure we could get Joker or a similar coach back for a much cheaper price. By the way if you don't remember the first 3 seasons Stoops was not making 9 million to take over UK's dumpster fire.

For a lot less than 9 million a year we could get someone better than Stoops, the only teams he can beat is non conference cup cakes teams, 12 years is enough of this embarrassment, the way all the players are transferring he won't even have enough players to play next year.

 

[Blue Bigfoot]

Stoops has been at UK for 12 years making 9 million a yr don't take a rocket scientist to see that Ky can do better.

What is the definition of doing the same thing over and over yet expecting different results?

By golly he is going to figure out how to score 6 points, control the clock and win this year!
Everyone knows that the 13th season is where coaches get going!