It is not weird, it is just trying to get a non basketball professional realize that 17 professional knows a shit load more about talent than any of us as fans. By the way, trashing other teams and other players is an immature position to take when evaluating basketball talent. I have only seen the TN guard two whole games and a couple of partial games and I would take him in a heartbeat for our point guard. He is an assist machine and would improve our team significantly. I don't like a forward on the Auburn team because of his actions but he is damn good and would also be a starter for us and would improve our team.
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If those 2 things were all that mattered then what’s the point in watching the sport and following it? Kentucky has won 8 in 100 years. If you can’t find entertainment or enjoyment in other aspects then what’s the point in following? I don’t get why people bring up final fours and national championships in year one for a new coach who had to build a new roster myself
I think Ziegler is overrated too, personally. So I don’t disagree with you on that part. I get why he got the nod. He averages over 7 assists a game and is asked to do a lot for the sluggish mess of an offense. I can’t call a sub .400 FG % guy elite myself so I agree.
It’s immature to not like a player and say they aren’t very good? Who gives a crap if the coaches likes him, he plays for Tennessee and I’ve watched him multiple games not be very good. You bringing up jealousy is the weird part in all this. Nobody is jealous of Zakai zeigler or Wade Taylor. Trashing players is immature, bud I’m not a scout, I’m a fan, that’s part of fandom.
The parts that’s funny to me is the OP saying it’s jealousy. I’m very happy zeigler isn’t my starting PG.
Amari should have made 2nd team or atleast 3rd & I too never can understand the zeigler or Taylor hype. Ziegler just scored a whopping 1 point vs SC at home on senior day and Taylor been in college since 2010 but just shoots and then keeps shooting. A healthy butler is better than both those 2 but now it’s time to use this as fuel and make a run this wk.
Well I was just stating I understand both sides of it on this. Ziegler and Taylor are not my cup of tea but I won’t be upset about them getting those first team selections. In a perfect world, the All-SEC team should be an individual award but it is often used to reward teams. I think back to the 2015 season where WCS was SEC POY and first team. He earned that for his contribution to the team, not because he was necessarily the best player in the SEC. I’ve just kind of learned how it works and I’m good with it.
That’s the key. Hopefully, it makes our players a little pissed and a little petty. A little extra motivation was never a bad thing
The only part of those teams that bothers me is Amari not making it, after that it is what it is
Amari not getting the nod over Condon bothers me. I’m actually very much in disagreement about Butler not being named All-Defense. No coach worth their salt should choose a 5’9” ZZ over LB to head their frontline attack like wth. Again a reward for team defensive metrics that’s all it was
Jax doesn't get hurt he makes it instead of Oweh.
Probably a more accurate statement. I just don't see both of them on the team.
At least third team. Baker-Mazara doesn't deserve to be on it due to his antics and dirty play alone.
No our biggest issue was our #1 & #2 PG missed significant time due to injuries.
He makes it instead of somebody else. Oweh deserves to be there regardless. Only one single digit scoring game all year.
Better than Butler? No way.
Disagree. There are 15 spots on the team. You're going to give two (or three if you're also advocating for Amari) spots to a team that finished T6 in the league? That seems like an extremely big reach. Would you also advocate Pope being COTY in the league?
I agree that leaving Butler off the All Defensive team is a bigger joke than Amari getting left off the All SEC teams.
So...lemme see if I understand this. If Jax doesn't get hurt, he makes it along with Oweh and now Williams. And Williams makes it over Baker-Mazara? Just making sure I'm accurate here.
So the team that finished 15-3 and won the outright league title in a league that's going to be remembered as possibly the best ever...is going to have 1/15 of the all conference team? And a team that finished T6, got bludgeoned by that 15-3 team, finished a full 5 games behind them in the standings, is going to have 3/15 of the team?
God I love this board. If for nothing else than someone will copy this post and disagree and rationalize the opinion. Never change RR, never change.
At the very least, Amari should have been third team, myself I think maybe second team. He has been pretty important to this team, without him I think we win about 10 less games. We have all seen what happens when he goes out for very long, we couldn't rebound the ball without him. Also, he will not be denied when he gets to a certain spot down low, and his passing has improved and he is responsible for a lot of our 3 point shots being made. To say he didn't make 1st, 2nd or 3rd team all SEC is criminal.
I'm saying the team that finished T6 shouldn't have more than one player on the team. If I had to choose between Oweh and Williams, I'd probably pick Oweh...but I honestly don't have a strong opinion either way. Had Pope played Amari 30-32 mins/game, I'd probably have a stronger argument for Amari. So, to answer your question as directly as possible...If Oweh stays on the team, then no I don't think Amari should be on it.
I don't see it.
John👁 is 16 and 9 good and that is good.
I don't consider it top 3 good.
He's not 22 and 10 good.
This is the root of the problem.....college has turned into big men are pick setters for guards and their production falls accordingly.
Why first team has literally 4 PG
- Clayton
- Zeigler (who is shooting like 39% FG and 30%3pt....I'm sorry no matter how good defensively....that is not first team production)
- Wade Taylor
- Mark Sears
Second team 4 guards (some SG and PG)
- Hubbbard
- Tre Johnson
- Lanier
- Oweh
Sort of silly to just have all guards taking up all teh spots. Be like in football just having a bunch of QB, RB and WR iwth few Oline. Amari for sure deserved 2nd or at worst 3rd team All SEC. Broome I can concede had better year (even though Amari contolled that game head ot head). But maybe Mitchell for Mizz would be the only big I'd argue better than Amari in SEC play. To not have the 2nd or 3rd best Center make all SEC is a silly list.
Kentucky was 10 - 8 in the conference with two of their top two guards out for several games and still beat a lot of ranked teams. They beat the 3rd place Florida and 4th place Tenn twice and 5 place Texas A&M, without Amari that doesn't happen. Is there a rule that says you have to play 30 minutes a game to make all SEC? Also that 6th place team could have finished 4th with a healthy starting five. Jason Edwards only played 25 minutes a game for Vandy, and he made it, Baker-Mazara shouldn't have even been on any all SEC team. He is nothing but a Dennis Rodman type side show, he only played 25 minutes a game and Amaris stats are better than his. So yes I would take Baker-Mazara off.
Good point that obviously was not taken into account. With all of our guys every game we win a few more games and all the sudden they like a couple more of our players better.
The TN kid was Defensive Player of the Year, explain how he is only a kid the steals the ball occasionally. I have not seen enough of his play to judge. I only was going by what the 17 coaches said. I think I read that he also was DPOY last year. If that is true, he must be fooling the hell out of the SEC coaches. I understand our total dislike for TN, but does the kid have a crummy attitude that causes the dislike for him personally?
If I am drafting players the 2nd player from Auburn wouldn't be Mazara. I would take Jones or Pettiford before Mazara just because they probably aren't getting tossed for cheap shotting someone.
Yeah there is no way a short kid who really isn't that great of a defender could possibly win defensive player of the year in their league and especially the National Defensive POY....
As someone who both respects the coaches, has watched plenty of Ziegler and agrees that Butler is a better defender, I will provide my opinion: Coaches rewarded Ziegler over Butler because of the team’s defensive performance. It is as simple as that. I bet if you asked most of those same coaches to build a defensive team from scratch, they’d rather have Butler than Ziegler but that’s just not how these teams work.
The justification. My favorite part. They were 10-8 in the conference. T6. That's all that matters.
No, but playing 22 mins/game certainly hurts your production numbers. And that's what gets you on the team.
If my aunt had male genitalia, she'd be my uncle. Not even really sure that still fits in 2025, but I'm rolling with it.
Um, okay. His numbers bore it out. And Vandy only got the one player.
So, again...We are back to this. The team that went 15-3 and won the league outright, the league that could go down in history as being the best overall league ever, is going to have one player. Why? Because you don't like a guys actions. But the team that finished 5 whole games behind them and T6 is going to have three dudes? Before you type, or maybe even before you think, read this whole paragraph again. Super slowly. Then reflect on just how dumb that belief is.
I think you can absolutely make a reasonable case for Amari to make an All SEC team but when I saw the list I admit it gave me pause. It’s a deep league this year and for the 6th ranked team to get 2 of the top 15 players would mean someone else worthy gets bumped. It is what it is, hopefully Amari comes out on fire in the SEC tournament and litigates his case on the court.
Hey, hey! Someone with some common sense.
That has no place on this board, though. Sorry sir...or ma'am.
There are a lot people who disagree with your uncompromising position on this subject, you should probably stick to your federal tax spending classes instead of just dismissing most people's opinion on this matter. There are a lot of people who don't like Baker-Mazara's antics, I didn't say anything about having three guys on all SEC teams. By the way I read the paragraph again and I see you are not as smart as you think you are, when did you come out of hibernation, 1390 posts in twenty-two years and now you're an expert, you need to go back to school hoss!
You do realize you have consistently been one of the biggest contrarians on this site since you’ve showed up and you do it with a great deal that condescending attitude
1. Zeigler in no way is first team all SEC.....he may be a great defensive player but he is a below average offensive player (39% FG and 30%3pt and only 13 pts a game)....he should be second team at best
2. In what world is Wade Taylor even first of second team....15pts, 35% FG and 33%3pt.....this was a career reward for him as he's Texas AM all time scoring leader....but this isn't a career reward...its for 2025 season....which he was 'meh'.
3. But the third team is a pure mess
- Sean Pedulla - Ole Miss
- Alex Condon - Fl
- Jaxon Edwards - Vandy
How Amari doesn't make that third team as worst case scenario is pure baloney. If we're going on points per game....then just put up all the guys that chuck up all the shots (who are guards mostly) and be done with it.
Yes, a "lot" of people (UK fans that see nothing but blue and have zero common sense on the issue) do agree. That doesn't make it correct. I think Baker-Mazara is a punk. I also think he's really good, the second best player on the best team in the conference. I also think Amari and Oweh are really good. And they're on the T6 best team in conference. My common sense tells me that only one of those gets on. I honestly don't think you can have a right or wrong answer as to which one. But both is silly and not warranted.
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