Akron beating IU

[Girthang]

To be a tad offensive, I think you have a poor grasp of how college overtime works.

Each team gets its overtime possession(s) at the opponents 25 yard line, ie, 25 yards from paydirt.

Because there is at least 10 to a 15 percent chance your opponent will not score at all on it’s possession, it gives the second team a great advantage in play-calling.

If I prevent my opponent from
Scoring even a field goal, I merely try to gain a few yards and center the ball for a 30 to 40 yard field goal attempt for the win.

But if I go first, my playbook has to be all the way open . . . I can’t predict how many points my opponent will score if he goes after my possession. And this creates a greater risk of interceptions, and turnovers in general, hence the 10 to 15 percent chance the first team scores no points.

The whole 1997 game against Bama is available on YouTube, including overtime.

It is a good example. We won the toss, chose to go second on possession, they chose the end zone away from our student body. Then on a second down pass completion, we jarred the ball loose for a fumble.

Mumme threw the ball on third down for the TD, because Bama had created TFL’s backing us to the 31, but had Yeast not caught the TD pass on 3rd down, we would still have had a 49 yard Field Goal attempt for the win.

That was an incredible game to witness

 

[Fox2monk]

To be a tad offensive, I think you have a poor grasp of how college overtime works.

Each team gets its overtime possession(s) at the opponents 25 yard line, ie, 25 yards from paydirt.

Because there is at least 10 to a 15 percent chance your opponent will not score at all on it’s possession, it gives the second team a great advantage in play-calling.

If I prevent my opponent from
Scoring even a field goal, I merely try to gain a few yards and center the ball for a 30 to 40 yard field goal attempt for the win.

But if I go first, my playbook has to be all the way open . . . I can’t predict how many points my opponent will score if he goes after my possession. And this creates a greater risk of interceptions, and turnovers in general, hence the 10 to 15 percent chance the first team scores no points.

The whole 1997 game against Bama is available on YouTube, including overtime.

It is a good example. We won the toss, chose to go second on possession, they chose the end zone away from our student body. Then on a second down pass completion, we jarred the ball loose for a fumble.

Mumme threw the ball on third down for the TD, because Bama had created TFL’s backing us to the 31, but had Yeast not caught the TD pass on 3rd down, we would still have had a 49 yard Field Goal attempt for the win.

Yeah whatever it is my bad, they have changed the rules a few times recently. I thought they started at the 35. Poor me! Staring from the 25 seems even worse to me. If I was at home playing a weak ass school like Akron I’d be going for the score to put pressure on them. They scored 14 points in first 57 minutes of the game. Plus they missed a game winning field goal from 32 yards. I’d take it to them at home but that’s just my opinion.

 

[Fox2monk]

Going for a TD has nothing to do with the decision to defend if you win the toss. That’s what everyone is pointing out.

In college, if you win the toss in OT, then you always choose to play defense first. College OT is not sudden death so there’s no reason to play offense first.

Apparently I’m not the only one who believes under the new rules that you should take the ball. Btw since the rules changes went into effect 54% of teams who had the ball first won the game.

Dana Holgorsen: Analytics say take the ball first in overtime - The Cougar

On Saturday afternoon, UH won the toss Dana Holgorsen chose to put the ball in the hands of his offense to begin overtime.

thedailycougar.com

 

[Fox2monk]

Only one P5 team, Georgia Tech IIRC, about 15 years ago, failed to elect to defend after winning the overtime toss. National articles were written about the gaff at the time.

You always elect to defend when given the chance, so that on your possession, you know how many points you’ll need either to win or extend the game.

That’s not true btw, 4 teams have done it since 1996 according to a quick google search. That is from 2007 so I know for a fact more have done it since then.

 

[The-Hack]

That’s not true btw, 4 teams have done it since 1996 according to a quick google search. That is from 2007 so I know for a fact more have done it since then.

Can you do a link? I suspect of those 4 errors, three were FBS, but not P5. And if 4 in ten years were P5, that’s roughly 1.5 percent of the total over that period of time.

Btw since the rules changes went into effect 54% of teams who had the ball first won the game.

It’s almost exactly the opposite over the full time span of overtime games. Here’s an exhaustive 20 year analysis showing that the team taking the ball second in overtime wins the majority:

“Of the 636 overtime games involving FBS teams:

There were 351 games (55.19%) that were won by the team that went last in the first overtime. The team that went last in the final overtime period won 346 games (54.40%).”



Given that the first overtime is as it has always been, the numbers suggested “since 2021,” may be anomalies from a very limited data set.

 

[The-Hack]

Yeah whatever it is my bad, they have changed the rules a few times recently. I thought they started at the 35. Poor me!

There have been rule changes since the introduction of the “Kansas” system of overtime, beginning 50+ years ago in lower levels of football, but the oldest uses gave each team a possession at the 10. By the 90’s, when adopted for FBS, it was the 25 yard line and has never been the 35 yard line.

 

[screwduke1]

Which is why you don't post about it. Lol. Jinxed the zips

Probably. Still pathetic it took them 4 overtimes to do it.

 

[screwduke1]

I think we started playing them on an annual basis starting in 1983 or 84(?) until the last game in 2005. They spanked us in that last game but overall in that 20-year span we won about 70% of them.

IU is arguably one of the worst P5 programs.

They really are terrible. Probably pretty close to our bad Joker teams.