ACC & the NET

[JonathanW]

Just WOW!!!

In the current NET rankings, 9 of the 18 ACC teams (one half) are outside the top 100.
The SEC, B10, B12, BigEast COMBINED have just 3 teams outside the top 100.
8 of the 10 worst P5 teams are in the ACC.

Duke's schedule & record needs to be looked at much like Gonzaga's is every year.

 

[Louis_Skunt]

Cards are the 2nd best team in the conference and they're 0-4 against the SEC. Speaks volumes...

 

[rick64]

ACC absolutely stinks this season.

 

[BlueSince92]

Wonder how seriously Duke would be taken if they hadn’t beaten Auburn with Cameron Cooking.

 

[Creed Bratton]

The highest seeded according to Lunardi, outside of Duke, is Clemson at 6 and Louisville at 7. They will not be prepared for 3-4 straight games against top 25 level teams come tournament time.

 

[docholiday51]

Glad to see the ACC darlings get a dose of reality for a change. ESPN can't even prop them up
Now if only Duke can get knocked off early in the NCAAT it will be a good year of college basketball.

 

[SemperFiCat]

Duke won't make it past a S16 game.

 

[docholiday51]

Duke won't make it past a S16 game.

Hopefully not but they will get every break possible to help them do so.

 

[JonathanW]

Cards are the 2nd best team in the conference and they're 0-4 against the SEC. Speaks volumes...

Well, them or Clemson. And Clemson lost to the worst team in the SEC, 0-13 South Carolina.

 

[TopCatCal]

Just WOW!!!

In the current NET rankings, 9 of the 18 ACC teams (one half) are outside the top 100.
The SEC, B10, B12, BigEast COMBINED have just 3 teams outside the top 100.
8 of the 10 worst P5 teams are in the ACC.

Duke's schedule & record needs to be looked at much like Gonzaga's is every year.

Never in a thousand years did I think that the ACC would be this bad in basketball.

 

[The_Ghost_of_Born_and_Bread]

The highest seeded according to Lunardi, outside of Duke, is Clemson at 6 and Louisville at 7. They will not be prepared for 3-4 straight games against top 25 level teams come tournament time.

We were in 2015…

 

[Creed Bratton]

We were in 2015…

There was 4 top 15 teams in the ACC in 2015 and this team isn't near as talented as that team either. With the brutal schedule this year they are 1-2 against teams ranked at the time of the matchup so let's slow down on comparing them to a championship team that was 11-2 against ranked teams.

That team also had Coach K on the sideline not this guy.....

 

[DukeDallas9192011015]

There was 4 top 15 teams in the ACC in 2015 and this team isn't near as talented as that team either. With the brutal schedule this year they are 1-2 against teams ranked at the time of the matchup so let's slow down on comparing them to a championship team that was 11-2 against ranked teams.

That team also had Coach K on the sideline not this guy.....

Every single statistical metric/analytic says that this Duke team is better than the 2015 Duke team.

 

[TucsonCat]

Dukes got a neutral site game against 20 Net Illinois Saturday. Good chance to prove their seeding or not.

 

[JonathanW]

Every single statistical metric/analytic says that this Duke team is better than the 2015 Duke team.

I would say this Duke team is a little better than the 2015 Duke team. The 2015 did win the title, but they were not the best team. Had that tournament been played 100 times, Kentucky would have won probably 50-60 of them, Wisconsin 10-15, Duke 10-15, and then UVA, Villanova, Gonzaga, Arizona & Kansas would have combined for 10-15.

 

[DukeDallas9192011015]

I would say this Duke team is a little better than the 2015 Duke team. The 2015 did win the title, but they were not the best team. Had that tournament been played 100 times, Kentucky would have won probably 50-60 of them, Wisconsin 10-15, Duke 10-15, and then UVA, Villanova, Gonzaga, Arizona & Kansas would have combined for 10-15.

Fair. But the same could be said for many Duke teams. 1999, 2002 (#1 in Ken Pom O AND D), 2004, 2011, 2019 to name some. Duke left those 5 titles on the table.
Kentucky did leave the 2015 title on the table, but no other seasons was Kentucky the most dominant team.

 

[legalbeagle123]

UL ended up with arguably the easiest schedule in that garbage conference. Only played the better teams once, and all of those games were at home with the exception of SMU. They'd be a bubble team at best playing an SEC schedule.

 

[Fox2monk]

The highest seeded according to Lunardi, outside of Duke, is Clemson at 6 and Louisville at 7. They will not be prepared for 3-4 straight games against top 25 level teams come tournament time.

Those are literally the only two good teams outside Duke. They tried like heck to prop WF and Pitt up early but they suck too.

 

[Fox2monk]

UL ended up with arguably the easiest schedule in that garbage conference. Only played the better teams once, and all of those games were at home with the exception of SMU. They'd be a bubble team at best playing an SEC schedule.

They are still a solid team, they gave us all we could handle at home.

 

[JonathanW]

Fair. But the same could be said for many Duke teams. 1999, 2002 (#1 in Ken Pom O AND D), 2004, 2011, 2019 to name some. Duke left those 5 titles on the table.
Kentucky did leave the 2015 title on the table, but no other seasons was Kentucky the most dominant team.

2010 Kentucky was.
2017 Kentucky was one of 5 teams that were all pretty equal, but we got 1000% screwed by a certain ref
2015 of course

But the best team only wins the NCAA-T probably about 20-30% of the time.

 

[Creed Bratton]

Every single statistical metric/analytic says that this Duke team is better than the 2015 Duke team.

If you are too stupid to see they play in the equivalent of Mountain West conference and are putting up big numbers against crap competition I don't know what to tell you. I guarantee this team wouldn't stay within 15 points of the 2015 Duke team.

 

[Digger-Cat]

Every single statistical metric/analytic says that this Duke team is better than the 2015 Duke team.

Well yeah, because you guys are absolutely crushing really bad teams.
Come on man, California, Stanford, NCST, Syracuse, Miami… give me a break.
Yes, your metrics are going to be through the roof.
These teams you guys are playing, don't put up much resistence. They move out of the way instead of bodying up.
I think duke is really good, don't get me wrong, but I would love to see them play teams like Florida, Missouri, aTm, Houston, Iowa State, Alabama, or Tennessee.
If UK is healthy, I would love to see that game again.
I will be really interested to see duke's bracket, you will certainly have to play tougher competition than what you are playing now.

 

[Digger-Cat]

Dukes got a neutral site game against 20 Net Illinois Saturday. Good chance to prove their seeding or not.

Meh, Illinois has taken a serious dive. They just got smacked at home by Michigan State. They're a fraud.

 

[ORCAT]

Cards are the 2nd best team in the conference and they're 0-4 against the SEC. Speaks volumes...

That is very huge. Duke may very well be an outstanding team but how much has their conference prepared them for the tournament. We'll see.

 

[jwphelps]

Just WOW!!!

In the current NET rankings, 9 of the 18 ACC teams (one half) are outside the top 100.
The SEC, B10, B12, BigEast COMBINED have just 3 teams outside the top 100.
8 of the 10 worst P5 teams are in the ACC.

Duke's schedule & record needs to be looked at much like Gonzaga's is every year.

The ACC is way down this year, if you take out DUKE, UofL and Clemson they are on parr with a mid level conference at best.

 

[UKFBFan78]

Every single statistical metric/analytic says that this Duke team is better than the 2015 Duke team.

Yes and those stats come from playing against vastly weaker schedule. Come on dukie, you guys are supposed to be the smart ones

 

[DukeDallas9192011015]

2010 Kentucky was.
2017 Kentucky was one of 5 teams that were all pretty equal, but we got 1000% screwed by a certain ref
2015 of course

But the best team only wins the NCAA-T probably about 20-30% of the time.

2010 Kentucky was ranked 4th in Ken Pom and was held back by having the #22 ranked offense, couldn't shoot.
2010 Duke was 1st in Ken Pom with the #1 offense and #5 defense. They didn't have the future NBA players that Kentucky had, but they were a machine.

Also, the metrics factor in Duke's weak schedule. Yes, there are many terrible teams in the ACC, but Duke is beating them by 25+ consistently (usually in the 1st half), if they were beating them by 5-10, they wouldn't be ranked as the #1 Ken Pom team.

 

[TM2013]

Clemson is the most underrated team in the country

 

[catlogic15]

If you thought the Selection Committee was favorable to Duke before, just wait for this year.

 

[JonathanW]

2010 Kentucky was ranked 4th in Ken Pom and was held back by having the #22 ranked offense, couldn't shoot.
2010 Duke was 1st in Ken Pom with the #1 offense and #5 defense. They didn't have the future NBA players that Kentucky had, but they were a machine.

Also, the metrics factor in Duke's weak schedule. Yes, there are many terrible teams in the ACC, but Duke is beating them by 25+ consistently (usually in the 1st half), if they were beating them by 5-10, they wouldn't be ranked as the #1 Ken Pom team.

I am a statistician, so this is my area of expertise. Metrics do help provide more information, they are useful. But metrics are overly used / relied upon by many.

Also, KenPom is a joke. Back in 2010 I had a statistically based model which I wrote using SAS that I ran every year, and it was more predictive than was KenPoms pretty much every year from 2001-2012. I did use his raw game data as my input, so he (Ken Pomeroy) was useful in that aspect.

 

[The_Answer1313]

.....and none of this will matter whatsoever in what Duke does/doesn't do in the tournament.

For so many seasons, it was the SEC that was poor. We'd be mis-seeded as a result and then eventually overperform (hello 2011, hello 2014).

This has no bearing whatsoever on anything. You can be a very good team playing in a poor conference and still do well in the tournament.

 

[The_Answer1313]

Also, the metrics factor in Duke's weak schedule. Yes, there are many terrible teams in the ACC, but Duke is beating them by 25+ consistently (usually in the 1st half), if they were beating them by 5-10, they wouldn't be ranked as the #1 Ken Pom team.

Yep. That's the whole purpose of having these metrics to begin with. To put everyone on the same level playing field regardless what scheduled they may have had.

Whether it's 100% accurate is.......IMO questionable. But nothing is 100%.

 

[Seth_C]

Every single statistical metric/analytic says that this Duke team is better than the 2015 Duke team.

And here I thought Duke fans would be intelligent. Guessing this one could only get accepted on a basketball scholarship.

 

[Rideordiewildcat]

Just WOW!!!

In the current NET rankings, 9 of the 18 ACC teams (one half) are outside the top 100.
The SEC, B10, B12, BigEast COMBINED have just 3 teams outside the top 100.
8 of the 10 worst P5 teams are in the ACC.

Duke's schedule & record needs to be looked at much like Gonzaga's is every year.

SEC has no teams outside the top 100 besides SC at 94 and LSU at 78 everyone else is top 50, well 53rd OK. 14 teams 53rd or better.

 

[Rideordiewildcat]

2010 Kentucky was ranked 4th in Ken Pom and was held back by having the #22 ranked offense, couldn't shoot.
2010 Duke was 1st in Ken Pom with the #1 offense and #5 defense. They didn't have the future NBA players that Kentucky had, but they were a machine.

Also, the metrics factor in Duke's weak schedule. Yes, there are many terrible teams in the ACC, but Duke is beating them by 25+ consistently (usually in the 1st half), if they were beating them by 5-10, they wouldn't be ranked as the #1 Ken Pom team.

Dook hasn't played a top 30 team since Dec 8 2024 when they finally played a decent team 33rd Clemson they lost.

Just since Dec 8th weve played 10 top 30 teams and gone 7-3 in those games. Dooks gonna bounce when they get hit in the mouth in the tourney.

 

[chroix]

Duke won't make it past a S16 game.

Sweet seventeen!

 

[Rideordiewildcat]

Just how bad the ACC is. Vs top 25 SEC 62, ACC 7.

 

[pauled]

ACC absolutely stinks this season.

And all you hear is how tough Louisville is!😂 where would they be in the SEC or Big 12. Has the Ville beat a ranked team?

 

[JonathanW]

And all you hear is how tough Louisville is!😂 where would they be in the SEC or Big 12. Has the Ville beat a ranked team?

I’ve not heard that once! You must live in Louisville