4pm Headlines: Jamal Murray Not Choosing Kentucky? One Site Thinks So
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Would love to see him at UK but don't have a good feeling about it. I just think if this kid wanted to come to UK he would've already committed.
And so the leaks begin? Already expecting disappointment with this, mostly due to the decisions of the 2015 class as a whole.
Can we just see what happens instead of making post about it every day? I like our team the way it is anyway.. If Murray comes that's a bonus and if he doesn't, one player isn't going to take UK to a title. For all we know he could end up like wiggins..
I agree with this! Too many posts about this by the same guy day end day out. No offense. Haha
Way too many posts about this in general . The few who are in the know say we will get him and i trust them but time will tell . Either way we are a top 3 team .
Mmm not really sure if your serious. Are you stating that if we didn't have Davis in '12 or Delk in 96 we would have won the title anyways? Or if UConn didn't have Kimba Walker they were going to win it regardless?
One player does not make the team but they are a huge part of it. A team is like a machine and ur only as good as the weakest link. Our weakest link on paper is scoring. Murray is a scorer and is very good at it like Newman is.
I'm not going to hate on a player if he decided to go elsewhere or is part of another program. A good ball player is a good ball player and Murray is very good. A very fundamentally sound player. Prob a better 2 guard than a point, it will be up to him to decide what he wants. Could be a top 10 pick if he comes here if he goes to Oregon will he be a top 10 pick??? Those are questions he needs to ask himself if that's his goal besides trying to win a title or go to the NCAA tourney as we will do with him or without. Will Oregon?
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I feel as if we've gotten in too late with a lot of these recruits. It seems as if no one, including Cal, expected to lose 8 players in one season. However, one would think that with the available playing time UK would've been an attractive option, even this late in the game.
He's still doing work to reclassify so he wouldn't commit to any school until he gets that taken care of.
I agree with some other who said we should wait and see. I would like to have him but we just need to wait and let him make up his mind.
No way bro! I agree %100 percent about Murray being a stud.. Just saying if he decides to go elsewhere, I'm not calling the season a bust.. AD was great but he was surrounded by some returning and incoming talent.. Just sayin
What u should apologize for is using 'we' in referring
to the Kentucky Wildcats. Since you showed up here like a nasty infection right after the Wisconsin game your laughably inept pose as a UK fan has fooled no one.
It was cute how I was not even addressing him and he freaked out. That makes me think both user names are the same person.
I would think after watching this year's recruiting that your answer should have been what the heck is going on. There seems to be more difficulty in recruits knowing where they want to go this year then ever before.
I believe Kentucky thought at one time they had Malik Newman, Diallo, and Zimmerman to add with Briscoe, Skai, and Matthews. Kentucky went hard after Malik Newman at Miss. State and once they brought in Head Coach Ben Howland to replace Rick Ray that is when Miss. State picked up the momemtum. I still think that if Rick Ray wasn't fired at Miss State then we have Malik Newman. Then when we lost 'Slice' Rohrssen to St. Johns then it seemed we fell behind on Diallo to Kentucky. That was talk one Slice Rohrssen was hired at UK was his relationship with Diallo and everyone believed that Slice and Coach Cal would bring Diallo to Kentucky. Then all we heard about was how the parents of Zimmerman loved head coach Calipari and that we would get Zimmerman. There was a couple of more recruits we missed on but those 3 recruits were the most talked about coming to Lexington to play at Kentucky next season with Briscoe, Skai, and Matthews. Then I also think that Coach Cal did say the goal was 8 players to be selected in 2015 NBA Draft. I believe that was a recruiting tool for 2016 & 2017 recruiting classes and that Coach Cal thought at one time we would have our 3 point shooter back in Booker and that possibly Dakari Johnson and Lyles could return for a 2nd season. Either way picking up the 3 recruits or 2 or 3 players staying for a second season Coach Calipari knew either way we would be looking good for next year and another run at the Final Four and a Championship.
If he really means what he says about having a chance to be the number one (or close to it) pick and he wants to win, then I can not see why he would pick anywhere else but UK, KU, or Duke.
And since UK is the only one of those schools with a spot ready for him, then I would think he would pick UK.
If it's a business decision for him (high draft pick, a long NBA career), UK is the pick.
If he is picking for personal reasons (his dad likes the staff, he likes the players), then it is Oregon.
Also, it's pretty obvious to anyone looking at the rosters and the staff for each team which one will have the better chance at cutting down the nets.
If it's personal, so be it, good luck to him as a Duck.
And since UK is the only one of those schools with a spot ready for him, then I would think he would pick UK.
If it's a business decision for him (high draft pick, a long NBA career), UK is the pick.
If he is picking for personal reasons (his dad likes the staff, he likes the players), then it is Oregon.
Also, it's pretty obvious to anyone looking at the rosters and the staff for each team which one will have the better chance at cutting down the nets.
If it's personal, so be it, good luck to him as a Duck.
Here is my theory, TIFWIW:
Recruiting began for this class long before this Spring. Cal originally wanted to land a combo guard to go with Ulis (expected to return), a couple of wings, and a couple of bigs.
In the Fall, Briscoe jumped on the combo spot. Matthews took one of the wing spots. Labissiere took one of the big spots.
That left us with a wing and a big to sign for the Spring.
For the wing, it was Newman or Brown. Cal spurned Blakeney and it was clear those were his two top options. Newman was a legacy and Howland has a history with guards (Westbrook, Collison), so we miss on him and he goes to Miss. St. Brown decided to play with his buddy (Rabb). That was a major setback. So Cal signs the next best option in Mulder. Then Murray shows up on the scene. The ending of that storyline is still unclear.
Then there was the other big spot. Cal had been recruiting Diallo and Zimmerman forever, but when Poythress got injured, and everyone figured out he was coming back, it changed things. That spot unexpectedly was filled with a player returning that was not expected to return when Cal was doing his heavy recruiting before the season started.
Cal still wanted one of those two, since he had been recruiting them for a long time, but it was a hard sell for UK with three 5-star players already in place for two spots (4/5). For Diallo, KU was a better fit. He'll face very little competition for a starting spot and Self has a good track record for getting guys drafted (Embiid,especially, had to help). For Zimmerman, he stayed home. I think that was the biggest factor for him.
So, really the wing opening was the only major miss for Cal in this class. And there's still hope with Murray.
I really don't think he was thinking he could get another elite big to join our roster. Especially with all negative recruiting focused on the platoon system. He kept recruiting them because they are studs and you can't turn them away if they want to come play for you.
I also think that Cal had already planned to get Wynyard on campus ASAP and that is why he didn't panic and go after some of the bigs that have popped up recently (the UF and Charlotte decommits, the Greek kid).
So, right now Cal waits for Murray to decide. Everything else is in place.
Once again, this is just my theory.
Yes, one player can make the difference between Sweet 16 or Elite 8 and a National Championship. Murray is that type of talent too. He very well could be the difference in us winning the title or not making it past the Elite Eight. He brings exactly what we need with his offense. I will like our chances alot more if Murray commits. If we have Alex last season, we win that championship and nobody will ever convince me otherwise.
Of course he had talent around him, that is a must for a championship caliber team but do we win the title without him? Does Syracuse win their title without Carmelo? Or do the Bulls win all their titles without Jordan? I think I've made my point. One player can and often does make the difference in winning a title or not.
Here is another Murry update that goes no where link..
http://tipofthetower.com/2015/06/16/jamal-murray-may-visit-michigan-on-track-to-reclassify/
http://tipofthetower.com/2015/06/16/jamal-murray-may-visit-michigan-on-track-to-reclassify/
You're right. But it should have been an easy decision for Zimmerman, Brown, and Newman too. As long as Oregon has been on Murray, and with the team they have, him choosing Oregon would be the LEAST weird of the 4 in my opinion.
I gotcha.. So you're comparing this kid that hasn't played any college ball yet to Carmelo and Jordan?
Kentucky beat themselves, not Wisconsin bro.. So no, Alex would'nt have won it for us..
Pretty much. We get Murray and that solves just about everything. However, if not, it appears Calipari messed up by not taking Blakeney as well as Thomas Bryant or Carlton Bragg, who I really believe we would have landed if Cal wanted them.
Weird class. Does appear to have lit a fire under Cal's ***, though.
I don't disagree, but this class has been chock full of a bunch of top players going to programs that are not going to have any sort of post-season success or elevate their superstar status in any meaningful way.
My argument is this: A team just won the NBA title running 5 guards/wings a lot of the time with multiple playmakers at multiple positions, guys getting to show off their shooting and passing abilities. The NCAA champion this season ran multiple 1's and 2's out there with one true post most of the time. I don't buy the "UK already has two point guards" excuse some want to make for Murray in case he goes elsewhere. Cal has shown repeatedly that the best players that give us the best chance to win are going to play the most minutes, and if Murray is the player that he thinks he is then he should know that he fits that mold and will get his opportunities. If you can ball, you can ball. Defined positions aren't the be-all and end-all for a basketball player like they used to be. Today it's more about how can we utilize your skill set in a way that will enable us to win?
Just seems like we're going after kids earlier this summer- kids in the '17 and '18 classes are getting offers. I just get the feeling Cal is pretty pissed off about the loss and all these recruiting misses.
My guess is he's referring to all the '17 and even '18 kids he's already offered. He hasn't usually offered so soon. His net he gotten a little wider since missing on so many this spring.
I think your apology needs to be to the realistic people. Realistically UK could make the final four. The season can end the second weekend but they have the talent to make the third. UK isn't screwed. I mean by most school's standards this would be a up year. If murray doesn't come here there are plenty of other teams you can cheer for.
Man, the point must have zipped right over your head. Is that really what you got from my post? Let me say this again because I guess I wasn't clear enough, my point is that one player can and often does make a huge difference between winning and losing the title. Obviously, at least to everyone but yourself, I'm not saying that Murray is Micheal Jordan or Carmelo Anthony but he could be the difference in just making the Elite 8 or FF and winning the whole damn thing. Is that clear enough?
Really? Did you watch the game? You don't think Alex would have been a difference maker in that game? If not, explain to me why. I'd love to hear that.
Sick of the drama queens and narcissists. I don't know how coaches can grovel to 18-year old kids. Anyone that drags their recruiting into mid-late June is not a 'team guy.'
Don't give a crisp if he comes or not but will be glad when his recruitment will stop popping up constantly on here.
He's not dragging his recruitment into summer for drama. Has to know first he has qualified to reclassify.
This is a great post. Finally, someone being unbiased and being logical in regard to UK and a recruit. Typically when you state facts like you did (UK having 3 pg's on roster already) people are quick to justify why a kid might still come to UK. I hope like hell we get him, but if he is set on playing PG, UK ain't for him.
