It isn't Angels on the outfield level but I get your point.
All I'm saying is it isnt unprecedented. I think we are a really good team when healthy.
4-4 in last 8 games, 10th place in SEC
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It isn't Angels on the outfield level but I get your point.
All I'm saying is it isnt unprecedented. I think we are a really good team when healthy.
And if Cal was coach we would be in last place, have lost to Duke and the Zags. You fair weather fans are something else.
9-9 in the SEC with wins over Duke and Gonzaga get you like a 5 seed this year in this brutal conference.
Kentucky basketball facing first real adversity under Mark Pope as Wildcats grapple with Andrew Carr injury
The Wildcats showed both their ability and fragility during a second straight SEC loss Saturday
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With the way Gonzaga is playing lately, Louisville W could be worth more at the end of the season.
Were you expecting them to go 40-0? When you have a new coach made up a roaster in 3 weeks. It will 3 years at minimum to rebuilt. Until then patience and enjoy the ride.
How about ranked 25th and a 7 or 8 seed?? Team is very fragile and sinking fast especially with the injuries.
To me the key is to get the boys healthy and freshmen more clock. The rest will take care of himself. We have enough good wins to be in tournament already .
My prediction: if both Carr and Butler are out more than just TN.
L at Tn
W vs Ar
L at OleM
W vs S C.
L vs TN
W at Tx
W vs. Vandy
L at Bama
Lat Qu
L vs Aub
W vs LSU
L at Missouri
If we get both back Sat and everyone stays healthy and we get Kriisa back by 2/22:
L at Tn
W vs Ar
L at OleM
W vs S C.
W vs TN
W at Tx
W vs. Vandy
W at Bama
W at Qu
W vs Aub
W vs LSU
L at Missouri
My prediction: if both Carr and Butler are out more than just TN.
L at Tn
W vs Ar
L at OleM
W vs S C.
L vs TN
W at Tx
W vs. Vandy
L at Bama
Lat Qu
L vs Aub
W vs LSU
L at Missouri
If we get both back Sat and everyone stays healthy and we get Kriisa back by 2/22:
L at Tn
W vs Ar
L at OleM
W vs S C.
W vs TN
W at Tx
W vs. Vandy
W at Bama
W at Qu
W vs Aub
W vs LSU
L at Missouri
If butler is out to for a extended period of time, then there isn’t one game you can feel confident about them winning
Funny how you complain now but you took up for Cal constantly when things were bad. Lmao
UNC had 11 losses in 2018 and was a 2 seed because of the strength of the ACC and a hot run to the finals of the ACC tournament.
Well, simply put, that's what true bleed blue fans do. Unfortunately, seems like you only want to watch when things are going well and want to pout when things aren't...
So, were you voicing the same complaints about our offense when we beat Gonzaga, Duke, Louisville, Florida, Miss St, Texas AM? Even in the loss to Alabama we put up 97 points.
I understand some of the disgruntled fans because Amari doesn't pass the eye-test sometimes and isn't exactly aesthetic in his movement. But it's designed to draw the opposing center away from the basket to help execute the zoom action.
Y'all might want to check out Evan M's recent productivity/efficiency metrics...
Everyone thinks these are your typical Kentucky boys. 2 of them are Nationally ranked in the top 30 Kentucky boys and Lewis isn't a Kentucky boy but had Blue Bloods knocking down his door that he turned down to come play for Pope and the Cats. I just don't get some of these guys on here they have Cal PTSD!!!!
Once there was film out and teams negated the effectiveness of that, yes.
EDIT: My issue is not with the design of the offense but how Amari has executed. Watch the action slow down when Amari has at the top of the key and he declines option after option holding the ball until he decides to attempt to back his defender down. Many times other players just become stagnant. Then watch Garrison or Carr in the same position and watch the movement. It is a much more active offense.
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Theres several on here that don’t t enjoy life and want to drag as many down as they can with them. Laugh at them.
I just want to connect the dots...
Duke had 4 films available, but we still beat them. Held us to 77 points though...
Gonzaga had 10 films available, including Duke and Clemson, we still scored 90 on the road
Louisville had 12 films available, we dropped 93 on them
Florida had 15 films available, we scored 106 (really blows up your argument)
Miss St had 17 films available, and one of the best defenses in the nation, we scored 95 (really really blows up your argument)
Texas AM had 18 films available, yet UK magically scored 81 points against them
Alabama had 19 films available, we scored 97 on them
So, care to take another swing at a different argument?
Your problem is you're mistaking aesthetics for production, which happens to casual fans.
I showed you the error in your "more film" argument, so let's move onto actual numbers...
EvanMiya, one of the premier basketball analytic minds (similar to KenPom), has this to say about Amari's production with Kentucky...
Amari has the 2nd best BPR (behind Butler) - BPR is the player's overall value to the team, combining offense and defense, when he is one the floor. I'll repeat, Amari has the 2nd highest on the team - yet you want to take him off the floor?
Amari has THE HIGHEST Adjusted Team Efficiency rating on the team, the HIGHEST - this is the analytic that reflects the amount of points the team scores per 100 possessions - he has the HIGHEST rating on the team
Amari has the 3rd highest +/- (for those who care) on the team behind Butler and Carr
Amari's OBPR is a 3.51, this is the "offensive value the individual player brings to his team when he is on the court". I repeat, Amari has a 3.51 OBPR value
-Brandon Garrison has a 2.30, more than a full data point below Amari.
Amari has a 181 +/- rating, Garrison has a 31
You're either trying to regurgitate what you hear Matt Jones say on the radio about Amari driving him crazy, or you're just mistaking aesthetics for whatever else. But the numbers don't lie, UK is FAR MORE EFFICIENT with Amari on the floor than without him.
When I look at Evan Miya the best five man lineup offensive efficiency at 131 is:
Butler/Carr/Garrison/Oweh/Robinson.
EvanMiya CBB Analytics
Advanced college basketball analytics used widely by coaches, journalists, and fans.
evanmiya.com
Numbers don’t lie right?
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Given the current state of the team, I'd say 6-6 is the outcome I'd wager on most. I can envision a scenario where the stars align and 8-4 happens, but I could probably see the reverse as well.
6-6
7-5
8-4
5-7
4-8
Probably in that order if I had to lay odds.
Man those bottom two would be super disappointing give how the season started. Maybe was what we fans felt going in but expectations got ramped up a few notches. Going to be tough and depends on the severity of the injuries to Carr and Butler.
I'm about to splurge and spend $30 just to see the lineup metrics. I'm kind of amazed that lineup has only played 57 possessions together. That has to be WAAAAYYYYY down the list of possessions played together on the year. Like it's bound to be 20-30.When I look at Evan Miya the best five man lineup offensive efficiency at 131 is:
Butler/Carr/Garrison/Oweh/Robinson.
EvanMiya CBB Analytics
Advanced college basketball analytics used widely by coaches, journalists, and fans.
Numbers don’t lie right?
I agree, would be super disappointing. And agree that expectations were ramped after those wins, at least mine were. Completely agree on the injuries as well. My predictions were based on both returning, but not really being all that healthy.
Any team in the nation that loses 3 of their top 6 to injury resulting in them out all together or best case limited availability from 1 of them…is going to struggle.
When healthy we are a legit top 8 team despite some flaws.
We are far from healthy
When healthy we are a legit top 8 team despite some flaws.
We are far from healthy
I had never heard of it but since the guy basically said I can’t think for myself (Matt Jones and I agree on very little lol) I thought I would look up who he was referencing.
I've seen posts before that reference Evan's stuff. He's legendary in the basketball metrics world. It was a running joke last year of the "three man lineup" analytics with Reed/Rob/Antonio and how little they played together vs the teams production when they did. All the information from that came from Evan's database. IIRC, those three were in something like 7 of the 8 most productive lineup combinations for the Cats last year...and they hardly ever played together...I'm just surprised, given how much Pope leans into the analytics, his most productive lineup has played that few possessions together.
In watching the last several games it just looks like the ball is sticking in Amari’s hand and the rest of the team seem to become much more stagnant. Some guy comes on like he’s Rupp incarnate citing stats telling me I’m just some casual fan in Calipari Basketball Bennie style so I go to his source and it shows our best lineup doesn’t include Williams.
Based on 57 possessions in the season, bless your heart....When I look at Evan Miya the best five man lineup offensive efficiency at 131 is:
Butler/Carr/Garrison/Oweh/Robinson.
EvanMiya CBB Analytics
Advanced college basketball analytics used widely by coaches, journalists, and fans.
Numbers don’t lie right?
Garrison has the 3rd worst OBPR on the entire team, only behind Chandler and Almonor.
Again, bless your poor heart...
Maybe quit watching and leave now. I swear, I'm embarrassed to call myself a UK fan due to guys like you.
Regardless of how the remainder of the regular season plays out, our seeding might take a hit or two, but I think it really does come down to the right matchup and how the luck of the draw/ upsets play out.
Not that we're likely to get much of a favorable draw.
Something tells me that we're going to be in good shape, provided we get healthy. Without that, it's gonna be brutally tough.
Not that we're likely to get much of a favorable draw.
Something tells me that we're going to be in good shape, provided we get healthy. Without that, it's gonna be brutally tough.
Don't be fooled by FishersCat posting the 5 man lineup, that same lineup is giving up a whopping 89.3 points per possession together - which is not good defense, at all....
