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#1 Team Projected By The Talking Heads For R. J. Barrett..

And honestly.. WTF? This is supposed to be a super prestigious school, with touhg requirements, who MANY basketball players hated and wanted no part in (Think of Jalen Rose's comments about Duke)..

Now every kid is seemingly lining up to play for an aging and out-of-touch Coach K? The winds do seem to be shifting, no idea why.. but let's let it play out. Cal has YET to not have a monster class.
 
Ripcord65 said:
Regarding Canadian players . . . I would suggest that neither Lyles nor Murray accomplished what was expected of them (a) coming out of high school, and (b) after they had been at U.K. for a month.

Just MHO, of course, and maybe off-point. What do you think, Poe ?
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Huh?
 
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LineSkiCat14 said:
That class wasn't their best class ever without Giles. A healthy Giles and they beat USCjr..

Whatever happens, I'm not looking forward to ESPN's narrative that will follow. Best recruit in the current class, and then two weeks later they add a top5 player for 2018 for a clear early lead in 2018.

Get ready. I would not be surprised to see something along the lines of "Move over Calipari, there's a new recruiting sheriff in town"
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You mean retiring sheriff right?
 
LineSkiCat14 said:
That class wasn't their best class ever without Giles. A healthy Giles and they beat USCjr..

Whatever happens, I'm not looking forward to ESPN's narrative that will follow. Best recruit in the current class, and then two weeks later they add a top5 player for 2018 for a clear early lead in 2018.

Get ready. I would not be surprised to see something along the lines of "Move over Calipari, there's a new recruiting sheriff in town"
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BS. They were dominated in that game.
 
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Bluesnky said:
BS. They were dominated in that game.
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Well a few things.. A Harry Giles means a #1 seed almost for certain. Duke then walks through BS competition to the Final4. And Duke had lots of foul trouble in that game, 3 or even 4 players fouled out. Giles eases that load.

USC JR was such an enigma. They could be one of the best teams in the nation like early in the season or when they played Duke... and then totally shit their pants like towards the end of SEC play. Mentally, they weren't always there.. but they could be as good as anyone in the nation when they want to be.
 
Rupp'sRunt said:
You mean retiring sheriff right?
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I freaking hope so. I thought about it today.. He's the one thing.. the ONLY thing standing in the way of Cal's utter dominance in college basketball (well the NCAA, too.. those dickbags).. You may not agree that those titles weren't ours.. but we're probably grabbing one or both if everything is seeded right.

Remember, when you give one team an easy bracket, the teams have to come from somewhere.. Duke's gift bracket in 2015, by nature, made the other 3 brackets more difficult. What if Kentucky had joke mid majors and then a gassed Wisconsin team for the title game?

Coach K lingering around is halting Calipari in a lot of ways.. Really hoping we can have him for a few years after K leaves, but who knows at this point.
 
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LineSkiCat14 said:
Well a few things.. A Harry Giles means a #1 seed almost for certain. Duke then walks through BS competition to the Final4. And Duke had lots of foul trouble in that game, 3 or even 4 players fouled out. Giles eases that load.

USC JR was such an enigma. They could be one of the best teams in the nation like early in the season or when they played Duke... and then totally shit their pants like towards the end of SEC play. Mentally, they weren't always there.. but they could be as good as anyone in the nation when they want to be.
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How the hell does Giles help their awful perimeter defense and terrible chemistry? In case you haven't watched Duke for 15 years, K revolves everything around the perimeter.

Stop talking out of your "butt" on this ish.

How many times do I have to correct you on this same topic?

Shut up.
 
And not every post has to be 5 paragraphs. Jesus Christ.
 
wcc31 said:
How the hell does Giles help their awful perimeter defense and terrible chemistry? In case you haven't watched Duke for 15 years, K revolves everything around the perimeter.

Stop talking out of your "butt" on this ish.

How many times do I have to correct you on this same topic?

Shut up.
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He's enough to keep players out of foul trouble. How come you NEVER come with facts. It's just nonsense.. No one is saying Duke has their defense fixed, although I'm not sure why we think Giles can't be a defender. He was set to be one of the best recruits of the decade if not for injuries.

You don't think Duke is ANY better with him on the floor?
 
LineSkiCat14 said:
He's enough to keep players out of foul trouble. How come you NEVER come with facts. It's just nonsense.. No one is saying Duke has their defense fixed, although I'm not sure why we think Giles can't be a defender. He was set to be one of the best recruits of the decade if not for injuries.

You don't think Duke is ANY better with him on the floor?
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I think Duke disappointed all year and got worked in the 2nd round and you keep making excuses for them on here every day.

Everything else is weak.
 
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LineSkiCat14 said:
He's enough to keep players out of foul trouble. How come you NEVER come with facts. It's just nonsense.. No one is saying Duke has their defense fixed, although I'm not sure why we think Giles can't be a defender. He was set to be one of the best recruits of the decade if not for injuries.

You don't think Duke is ANY better with him on the floor?
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Honestly, that was a pretty mediocre team for most of the year. They got hot and won the ACC tournament, but they were pretty meh. I'm sure a healthy Giles would have helped but that team wasn't championship material. It would have taken a fluke for them to win it all.
 
Bluesnky said:
Honestly, that was a pretty mediocre team for most of the year. They got hot and won the ACC tournament, but they were pretty meh. I'm sure a healthy Giles would have helped but that team wasn't championship material. It would have taken a fluke for them to win it all.
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An ACC that turned out to be extremely overrated, I might add.
 
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BlueBlood66 said:
Why not? It's possible they may not want to but I haven't really seen a good reason why they couldn't or wouldn't play together.
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Three guys who want to demonstrate that they can be a primary ball handler, and one of them (Jones) can't play off the ball. Not an absolute deal breaker by any means, but it doesn't help.
 
Bluesnky said:
Three guys who want to demonstrate that they can be a primary ball handler, and one of them (Jones) can't play off the ball. Not an absolute deal breaker by any means, but it doesn't help.
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Maybe, Jones is obviously a PG. But has Reddish and Barrett said they want to be the primary ball handlers in college?
 
LineSkiCat14 said:
That class wasn't their best class ever without Giles. A healthy Giles and they beat USCjr..

Whatever happens, I'm not looking forward to ESPN's narrative that will follow. Best recruit in the current class, and then two weeks later they add a top5 player for 2018 for a clear early lead in 2018.

Get ready. I would not be surprised to see something along the lines of "Move over Calipari, there's a new recruiting sheriff in town"
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With that kind of haul there would be a new sheriff in town
 
wcc31 said:
I think Duke disappointed all year and got worked in the 2nd round and you keep making excuses for them on here every day.

Everything else is weak.
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They lost by 7. Seriously.. Im begging you at this point to put a stat or a fact up.

If we can sit here and say Noel could have been the difference between missing the tournament and a possible sweet16.. Which I absolutely think to be the case.. How come that can't apply to Giles and beating a US Jr team that capped away the 2nd half of the season.

Giles makes that team at least a little better and they probably don't have to go near Gamecocks anyways. And thank God.. They'd have gotten another slew of bullshit teams for being #1.

Refuse to pretend that a team full of freshman can't figure it out in time to make a run. Just like Kentucky.
 
LineSkiCat14 said:
They lost by 7. Seriously.. Im begging you at this point to put a stat or a fact up.

If we can sit here and say Noel could have been the difference between missing the tournament and a possible sweet16.. Which I absolutely think to be the case.. How come that can't apply to Giles and beating a US Jr team that capped away the 2nd half of the season.

Giles makes that team at least a little better and they probably don't have to go near Gamecocks anyways. And thank God.. They'd have gotten another slew of bullshit teams for being #1.

Refuse to pretend that a team full of freshman can't figure it out in time to make a run. Just like Kentucky.
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They had to start fouling reaaaaally early to cut it to 7.
 
Rupp'sRunt said:
Pretty sure they aren't ours if we didn't win the tournament
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Zing,over your head..Let me break it down a little..mmmk?..Kentucky had the best team in 10 and far and away the best team in 15 .. so that means The title was UK's to lose
 
Barrett and Quickley are ours. Zion has me worried. Langford is going to IU. I'd imagine we will have a nice class to play alongside Barrett. Cal will handle it.
 
Bluesnky said:
They had to start fouling reaaaaally early to cut it to 7.
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Switching this debate over to you.. I can't deal with an idiot fan who can't give even a smidge of credit to a rival when it's due.. might as well be a 'Cuse fan at this point..

Anyways.. That Duke team was obviously not great on defense, as we know. But towards the end of the game how many easy buckets did they relinquish, helping pad the score on the other end? And how good was Duke's defense in 2015? Barely good enough to make the tournament by it's own merit... Okafor played no defense.. neither did Cook/Jones. Duke doesn't NEED defense to win games.

Serious question.. where did you pick Duke in your brackets? I don't know anyone who picked the Gamecocks to beat them.. maybe 1 or 2 people here out of hundreds..
 
BlueBlood66 said:
Agree in 2015.

Look at kenpom in 2010. Duke was far and away the best that year.
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Not sure about "far and away". The thing with Kentucky teams is that they have players that will more or less be NBA stars. Wall and Cousins could beat any college team right now with me, you, and your mother on the other positions. They are that good. If that potential is realized in college, then it's a wrap. You can't measure that in any metric. John Wall is a college kid learning the game one day, and a star the next.. where as Jon Scheyer is still a bum anyway you split it.

The WVU game was an unfortunate travesty.. We shot horribly, they shot out their asses. And of course, they won their superbowl against us, came out flat against Duke, and Butler went down in the Duke game..Kentucky is winning that title game more often than not.
 
LineSkiCat14 said:
Not sure about "far and away". The thing with Kentucky teams is that they have players that will more or less be NBA stars. Wall and Cousins could beat any college team right now with me, you, and your mother on the other positions. They are that good. If that potential is realized in college, then it's a wrap. You can't measure that in any metric. John Wall is a college kid learning the game one day, and a star the next.. where as Jon Scheyer is still a bum anyway you split it.

The WVU game was an unfortunate travesty.. We shot horribly, they shot out their asses. And of course, they won their superbowl against us, came out flat against Duke, and Butler went down in the Duke game..Kentucky is winning that title game more often than not.
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Butler got injured with his team down 15 when there was 9 minutes left in the game. I'll have no problem admitting Kentucky was better overall in 2015. If K was coaching them I guarantee they win the tourney. But in 2010 that Duke was the better team that year.
 
You mean if K was coaching Kentucky with the treatmeant he gets?

Bullshit. there's no way Coach K can win unless he has help and plethora of upperclassmen. Coach K wasn't beating ND with Kentucky, that's for sure.

Duke had two more losses that year and it was Calipari's first season. Looking at just how good Wall, Bledsoe and Cousins became.. that was the best team in college. Their downfall was shooting, sure. But they needed an unusla bad shooting night, and an ungodly one from WVU..to lose that game.
 
LineSkiCat14 said:
Switching this debate over to you.. I can't deal with an idiot fan who can't give even a smidge of credit to a rival when it's due.. might as well be a 'Cuse fan at this point..

Anyways.. That Duke team was obviously not great on defense, as we know. But towards the end of the game how many easy buckets did they relinquish, helping pad the score on the other end? And how good was Duke's defense in 2015? Barely good enough to make the tournament by it's own merit... Okafor played no defense.. neither did Cook/Jones. Duke doesn't NEED defense to win games.

Serious question.. where did you pick Duke in your brackets? I don't know anyone who picked the Gamecocks to beat them.. maybe 1 or 2 people here out of hundreds..
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In 2015 Duke's defense improved tremendously toward the end of the year. So much so that they finished 12th in defensive efficiency. It had been dreadful for most of the season.

I think I had Duke exiting against Villanova this year. But, I'll tell you who knew his team was in trouble against South Carolina: Coach K. He was working his ass off in that game and extremely agitated even when his team was up big in the first half. Very out of character for him. He knew his team was a paper tiger.
 
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Butler got injured with his team down 15 when there was 9 minutes left in the game. I'll have no problem admitting Kentucky was better overall in 2015. If K was coaching them I guarantee they win the tourney. But in 2010 that Duke was the better team that year.
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You guarantee K would have won the tourney? You mean like your '99 team? Or more like your 2002 team?
 
Bluesnky said:
In 2015 Duke's defense improved tremendously toward the end of the year. So much so that they finished 12th in defensive efficiency. It had been dreadful for most of the season.

I think I had Duke exiting against Villanova this year. But, I'll tell you who knew his team was in trouble against South Carolina: Coach K. He was working his ass off in that game and extremely agitated even when his team was up big in the first half. Very out of character for him. He knew his team was a paper tiger.
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Was going to post the same re: Duke's D. They cranked it up late in the year, or no way they ever win that title.
 
I still think we get Barrett. Reddish to Duke just strengthens my belief. When this all started, most of us agreed that it was Barrett or Reddish. So, that means our chances are just as good, maybe better, for Barrett.

Still feeling Quickley, Johnson, Barrett, Williamson, and Shittu.

Worrying more about Williamson with Adidas and KU, than Barrett.
 
BlueBlood66 said:
Neither of those teams were as good as 2015 UK and neither of those teams lost to a team as bad as Wisconsin.
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You are coming across as quite a joke. No, neither were quite as good as 2015 UK.

But by kenpom, for example, UK 2015 was +3 on anyone else in the field. That second place team happened to be Wisconsin.

Duke in 2002 was +4 on the rest of the field. They lost to IU, who was -10 to Duke.

So get out of here with your K woulda won it crap. Your precious saint K has proven himself just as fallible as anyone else.
 
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Barrett and Quickley are ours. Zion has me worried. Langford is going to IU. I'd imagine we will have a nice class to play alongside Barrett. Cal will handle it.
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Zion will go to Kansas. Barrett and Quickley to Kentucky. Langford will go to Louisville.

That gives you Quickley, Quadre, Alexander, Barrett, Baker, Vanderbilt and Knox at the 1, 2, 3 next year.
 
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