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Fair enough. I doubt any one of them to be starters for Kansas. Maybe Jackson plays meaningful minutes. Self doesn't promote the one and done recruit like Cal does. This is why you will not see a Bill Self coached team with a 9-16 record.
 
I'm going to guess we get Ugonna, Thiero, Livingston, Fredrick, and an outside shot at Reeves.

Starters would be:
Wagner
Reeves / Dillingham
Edwards
Livingston
Bradshaw

Bench:
Dillingham (if Reeves returns)
Fredrick
Thiero
Shepherd
Ugonna

Seems like a really good team on paper, with no transfers. But so did this year for us and UNCheat. Just never know how it all turns out.

Livingston and Edwards at the 3/4 is a nightmare for other teams. Both shoot just enough to keep defenses honest, along with Reeves/Fredrick/Dillingham will keep the floor open for Wagner.
That team will be a good 15-20 team. If that's the case it's bad because we need big men and shot blockers. That roster won't get it done as far as FF.
 
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Problem is, Cal doesn’t like small ball. He won’t play Livingston at the 4.

If Livingston is back, I think he will keep him at the 3. Edwards is skilled enough to play the 2 and Cal loves having a 6’6+ guy at the 2.

I also think he will play two shot blockers, with Collins(I think he is going to get a shot next season) and Bradshaw play the 4 and 5.

Starters

G Wagner
G Edwards
F Livingston
F Collins
F Bradshaw

Reserves

G Dillingham
G Fredrick
G Sheppard
G Reeves
F Thiero
F Onyenso
F Ware

But I could see Reeves leaving if this looks like it’s the roster. Just not a lot of minutes for him with those guards and wings coming in and Livingston coming back. Fredrick is in the same situation, but he might stick it out, especially if his fiancée is back for the Lady Cats.
Man that’s a wealth of talent…..on paper. If Cal can’t take that team to the FF then I’m not sure what to say. I’m 50/50 on Cal and it changes week to week, but if this is our roster next year…..could be fun. Shooting could still be an issue though, even if Reeves comes back
 
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I could get real excited again for next year. I hope the coaching staff recruits some of the players on this year's roster to return. Bring back Livingston, Reeves, Theiro, Ugonna, Ware, Frederick and we are loaded and most likely the favorite to win it all.
 
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I agree that could have the makings of a nice team, but to quote the old Wendy's commercial, "Where's the Beef??" Somewhere albeit through the portal or what, we are going to have to get some bruisers in here to bang with some of these teams. Kinda like those 2 brothers that Arkansas has. I love the class we have coming in, dont get me wrong. But when your big men are all under 225lbs, its not gonna work.
Been saying this for a couple of years now. We need some big guys with skills. About 3 more of them. Cal avoids them like the plague. When they show up in the portal he won’t take them because of the promises he has made to the freshmen. I am sick of his schtick. He can’t leave soon enough for me.
 
I'm going to guess we get Ugonna, Thiero, Livingston, Fredrick, and an outside shot at Reeves.

Starters would be:
Wagner
Reeves / Dillingham
Edwards
Livingston
Bradshaw

Bench:
Dillingham (if Reeves returns)
Fredrick
Thiero
Shepherd
Ugonna

Seems like a really good team on paper, with no transfers. But so did this year for us and UNCheat. Just never know how it all turns out.

Livingston and Edwards at the 3/4 is a nightmare for other teams. Both shoot just enough to keep defenses honest, along with Reeves/Fredrick/Dillingham will keep the floor open for Wagner.
Not arguing at all, but is it for sure that Oscar won't be back?
 
Good God, bucs. Surely that wouldn’t be a starting lineup Calipari would go with. Of course, we’re forecasting here without seeing these guys in college, but I would greatly fear that lineup could end up being an SEC bottom-feeder. It just does not seem that those pieces would fit well at all.

I like the other projected starting lineup (Wagner, Reeves, Edwards, Livingston, Bradshaw) much better. Although, depending on the roster next season, that still might not be my preferred lineup or, of course, yours either.
Not what I want, but kind of what I expect. He’s not playing Livingston at the 4, that is pretty apparent. Livingston will start, so it’s at the 3. Edwards will start. His best position is at the 3, but with Livingston back, he slides to the 2. Wagner starts at the 1. Bradshaw at the 5. That leaves the 4 spot open and that means Collins is the most likely guy there unless he adds a stud from the portal (doubtful). Onyenso might start at the 5 and move Bradshaw to the 4, but I think that is unlikely unless Onyenso makes a huge jump over the summer.

So, Cal starts five former 5-star, McD’s AA’s. He’s back to his preferred MO: a Point, two Wings, two Bigs. Defense and rebounding. Out size and out athlete the opposition. The Calipari Philosophy.
 
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I think some have Wagner and Dillingham roles mixed up . Dillingham is more likely to be the starting Pg and Wagner is more likely to be the SG. Rob is more of a PG while Wagner is more of a combo guard. Not sure what Reeves or CJ does with freshman who are expected to start . Will be interesting to see .
From the little I’ve seen of them , they both appear to be ball dominate guards . It’ll be interesting to see how it works out with both of them on the floor together.
 
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So I have heard that over all this years crop of Freshmen are suppose to be behind other classes due to COVID. I have not followed any of the recruits signed by Cal. So I want to know what are your expectations for next season for this class of Freshmen? Should any of them start from day 1? By the end of the season will UK be a force to reckon with or will Cal miss another NCAA tournament?
You would think they are going to be good but until I see them play college ball, who knows. What I do know is you are here to troll.
 
Think Livingston is gone. I could actually see Toppin or Oscar coming back before Livingston.

Dillingham
Wagner
Edwards
Toppin/Oscar
Bradshaw

Would likely be a great defensive team but lack shooters unless Reeves comes back. Can't see Fredrick ever being a major contributor.

Thiero
Ugonna
Collins
Ware
Pick up a player or 2 in the portal.
 
From the little I’ve seen of them , they both appear to be ball dominate guards . It’ll be interesting to see how it works out with both of them on the floor together.
Wagner mainly played off of the ball at EYBL and in HS he has played off of the ball . He’s is more effective with the ball in his hands though . He will have to adjust some but he should be fine .
 
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Not what I want, but kind of what I expect. He’s not playing Livingston at the 4, that is pretty apparent. Livingston will start, so it’s at the 3. Edwards will start. His best position is at the 3, but with Livingston back, he slides to the 2. Wagner starts at the 1. Bradshaw at the 5. That leaves the 4 spot open and that means Collins is the most likely guy there unless he adds a stud from the portal (doubtful). Onyenso might start at the 5 and move Bradshaw to the 4, but I think that is unlikely unless Onyenso makes a huge jump over the summer.

So, Cal starts five former 5-star, McD’s AA’s. He’s back to his preferred MO: a Point, two Wings, two Bigs. Defense and rebounding. Out size and out athlete the opposition. The Calipari Philosophy.
I’m not disputing at all your belief/fear that Calipari will do exactly what you’re saying. But man, it will be so disappointing. I always watch video and usually a few games of our incoming recruits. But I‘m guessing that you probably watch them more and have more knowledge about the recruits than me. So, I wonder if you feel about it like I do, which is that the recruits next season are more skilled than we often see. For example, the Guards may not have as much length or athleticism as in other classes, but they have a lot of skill (for high school seniors). And Edwards looks like one of those rare incoming freshmen who could actually be a good college SF right out of the gate.

So, I think it will be really, really frustrating – maybe to the point of me just giving up - if Edwards is made the starting 2G next season. I don’t believe that Edwards will bring the offense needed from the 2G spot. But, again, I think he would be fine at SF. Trying to force him into the 2G spot – esp. with Reeves, Fredrick, Wagner, Shepherd, and Dillingham (or other good portal pickups if a few of those guys don’t come back) – will, I suspect, just flat out be coaching malpractice. If you do that, you have metaphorically cut off the right arm of your team before the game even starts.
 
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Think Livingston is gone. I could actually see Toppin or Oscar coming back before Livingston.

Dillingham
Wagner
Edwards
Toppin/Oscar
Bradshaw

Would likely be a great defensive team but lack shooters unless Reeves comes back. Can't see Fredrick ever being a major contributor.

Thiero
Ugonna
Collins
Ware
Pick up a player or 2 in the portal.
KSR stating that Reeves himself is expecting and anticipating coming back. I know he is a finesse player, but if Reeves could get a little stronger and tougher, and learn to be a better driver and play through contact better, he might be able to work himself into playing some at the next level.
 
So I have heard that over all this years crop of Freshmen are suppose to be behind other classes due to COVID. I have not followed any of the recruits signed by Cal. So I want to know what are your expectations for next season for this class of Freshmen? Should any of them start from day 1? By the end of the season will UK be a force to reckon with or will Cal miss another NCAA tournament?
We will be a force nobody wants to reckon with I reckon.
 
KSR stating that Reeves himself is expecting and anticipating coming back. I know he is a finesse player, but if Reeves could get a little stronger and tougher, and learn to be a better driver and play through contact better, he might be able to work himself into playing some at the next level.
Reeves has a great floater not great at driving all the way to the basket.
 
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Not what I want, but kind of what I expect. He’s not playing Livingston at the 4, that is pretty apparent. Livingston will start, so it’s at the 3. Edwards will start. His best position is at the 3, but with Livingston back, he slides to the 2. Wagner starts at the 1. Bradshaw at the 5. That leaves the 4 spot open and that means Collins is the most likely guy there unless he adds a stud from the portal (doubtful). Onyenso might start at the 5 and move Bradshaw to the 4, but I think that is unlikely unless Onyenso makes a huge jump over the summer.

So, Cal starts five former 5-star, McD’s AA’s. He’s back to his preferred MO: a Point, two Wings, two Bigs. Defense and rebounding. Out size and out athlete the opposition. The Calipari Philosophy.
Edwards plays the 4 if CL returns.
He's pushing 6'9. The two is not even his NBA position.
Guarding the 2 would be too much to ask of Edwards. He can handle a 2 on a switch but would be a recipe for foul trouble otherwise.
 
KSR stating that Reeves himself is expecting and anticipating coming back. I know he is a finesse player, but if Reeves could get a little stronger and tougher, and learn to be a better driver and play through contact better, he might be able to work himself into playing some at the next level.
Only need one of Reeves/Fredrick if Livingston returns.
 
Edwards plays the 4 if CL returns.
He's pushing 6'9. The two is not even his NBA position.
Guarding the 2 would be too much to ask of Edwards. He can handle a 2 on a switch but would be a recipe for foul trouble otherwise.
I have heard he is closer to a 2 than a 4, but who knows? Cal plays positionless basketball which usually means playing bigs as wings rather than playing wings as bigs. I would like to see Edwards as a stretch 4, but skeptical that Cal will play him there.
 
If Edwards is a 4, I wouldn’t be surprised to see all five Freshmen on the floor a lot together. Wagner, Dillingham, Edwards, and Bradshaw will likely start. Playing Sheppard with them at the 3 puts another shooter/ball handler on the floor. And Cal rarely sits highly touted Freshmen.
 
Reeves has a great floater not great at driving all the way to the basket.
To me, part of it seems to be that he tries too hard to avoid contact; and also gives up on the shot if he gets that contact (i.e., not many and ones).
 
And that one year difference is huge at his age.
Yes it is. I was an average high school player. The fall after graduating, I played with some older guys at our elementary school. Was much stronger, could jump better, and was really better in all phases. Can only attribute that to physical maturity as I was not practicing basketball any more. That is why I prefer our teams when we have some 2-3 year players at all positions.
 
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A lot of the class debates can be talked about regarding age too. For instance, DJ Wagner is currently 17 yrs old as a SR. Not to fire too many shots but Jalen Suggs turned 17 his Soph season in HS. So one guy is going to be more mature physically and ready for college game than another in all likelihood. Does matter in how ready physically and mentally a player may be for CBB.
Very good info. Here is another one. Brandon Miller is two full years older than Kevin Knox was during his freshman season.
 
Fair enough. I doubt any one of them to be starters for Kansas. Maybe Jackson plays meaningful minutes. Self doesn't promote the one and done recruit like Cal does. This is why you will not see a Bill Self coached team with a 9-16 record.
Congrats on your fourth title! You guys finally caught up to UConn!

We won our fourth title in 1958 so we can relate to when we reached that level. 65 years ago.
 
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Problem is, Cal doesn’t like small ball. He won’t play Livingston at the 4.

If Livingston is back, I think he will keep him at the 3. Edwards is skilled enough to play the 2 and Cal loves having a 6’6+ guy at the 2.

I also think he will play two shot blockers, with Collins(I think he is going to get a shot next season) and Bradshaw play the 4 and 5.

Starters

G Wagner
G Edwards
F Livingston
F Collins
F Bradshaw

Reserves

G Dillingham
G Fredrick
G Sheppard
G Reeves
F Thiero
F Onyenso
F Ware

But I could see Reeves leaving if this looks like it’s the roster. Just not a lot of minutes for him with those guards and wings coming in and Livingston coming back. Fredrick is in the same situation, but he might stick it out, especially if his fiancée is back for the Lady Cats.
Who said Livingston is coming back?
 
Good God, bucs. Surely that wouldn’t be a starting lineup Calipari would go with. Of course, we’re forecasting here without seeing these guys in college, but I would greatly fear that lineup could end up being an SEC bottom-feeder. It just does not seem that those pieces would fit well at all.

I like the other projected starting lineup (Wagner, Reeves, Edwards, Livingston, Bradshaw) much better. Although, depending on the roster next season, that still might not be my preferred lineup or, of course, yours either.
You called it.
 
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You called it.
Actually, I was trying to stay more positive than I really felt. I hoped (but didn’t really believe) that Edwards could be a good enough SF his freshman year. And then there was all this talk about Bradshaw being the starting PF and Edwards actually being the 2G and how great they would be, and I just thought it would be an absolute disaster.
 
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