Will be like Lance in Varsity Blues. I might actually watch.
“Opting out? Oh you mean quitting!” Link—
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These decisions happened well before SS. Not to derail this post, but Cal got played by some player rep. Cal will never admit they used him and UK, and maybe he shouldn’t.
SS debacle and bowl holdouts are apples and oranges. This topic didn’t just begin last year.
What decisions?
Not my point. Point is you can't allow players from one sport to use the school facilities and then have a DIFFERENT set of rules for other players because it is a different sport.
Then why do it? Think on that one for a minute.
Not saying that I think it is a major bowl. I am just not going to be like others and get on here and act like my opinion is fact or even represents the majority. What do you think a poll would show if it asks how much the bowl game matters? I think you might not like the answer.
Decisions = Opt Out
Unless I’m missing something, neither sport is preventing players from making decisions.
The only difference I see is that FB decisions are about their potential tpro futures. The SS conversation was about getting head start on his college career. (Which never happened!) We both probably agree that was a total debacle.
Topics are totally different. None of these FB players are saying they are returning to UK for another year.
Unless I’m missing something, neither sport is preventing players from making decisions.
The only difference I see is that FB decisions are about their potential tpro futures. The SS conversation was about getting head start on his college career. (Which never happened!) We both probably agree that was a total debacle.
Topics are totally different. None of these FB players are saying they are returning to UK for another year.
Opting out IS QUITTING and is sadly a product of our super soft society.
Everyone gets a participation trophy BS.
Everyone gets a participation trophy BS.
Pathetic thread with pathetic people
Where is this same energy towards Satterfield? Fickle? Adults, paid employees OPTING OUT of their jobs? Hello???? In what universe is that ok, year after year, coaches dumping their responsibilities to go to the next job?
Nah, just sit behind your phones & keyboards trashing the unpaid help instead....big honorable men y'all are
Where is this same energy towards Satterfield? Fickle? Adults, paid employees OPTING OUT of their jobs? Hello???? In what universe is that ok, year after year, coaches dumping their responsibilities to go to the next job?
Nah, just sit behind your phones & keyboards trashing the unpaid help instead....big honorable men y'all are
Way I see it is why is one players risk of injury worth more than another players? Because he’s going to make more money? What about the Senior who is graduating to move on to a computer science career? Should he sit out in case of a head injury risk?
There’s always risk in football. Every game whether it’s against EKU or UGA. Well maybe more against UGA haha. Players accept the risk and prob most don’t even think about it.
If these bowl games aren’t worth the risk anymore for players, they need to revamp the system/season/bowls etc. to make it where there’s something on the line so even players tempted to sit will still have some skin in the game to play.
Of course it is. If the team is playing and a player decides not to, how is that not quitting? You must be a millennial or something.
Agreed! UK and the rest of the SEC playing lesser bowls put money back into the SEC “pool” that pays all the athletic programs back in $$$. Anyone who says they are insignificant is very short sided and has blinders on. It matters to the team, the athletic program and ultimately the school. Maybe not to the individuals that choose not to play for the very program that put them in the spot they are now blessed to be in, but the money sure is significant. Individual pride should be significant too. It’s about “me first” anymore.
No player‘s risk of injury is more important than the others.
Ask yourself a common-sense, logical question. Is a potential torn ACL (fill in with any injury) going to hurt a future business person from being able to pursue their career, or from getting hired? Now, is that same torn ACL (or any other injury) going to cause a potential NFL player from being able to do their job? In CRod‘s case, I would say even get drafted.
The amount of money has nothing to do with the logic.
Bottom line is … it is their choice with no pressure!! I guarantee you that Stoops supports them 100%!!! Sports players don’t owe university or fans anything. They are not property. Mid-tier bowl games are glorified spring practices.
I fully acknowledge the line of when a player can ethically opt out is different for each of us. For me, it’s when the regular season is over and we’re not in CFP or NY6 bowl. But, I also acknowledge that’s just my arbitrary opinion. However, the MCB is way beyond any game I expect for high draft picks to risk.
Bottom Line is … it is THEIR future and they don’t owe me anything!
Well I think it depends on what that persons ambitions are in life and what the injury could be. An ACL isn’t devastating for a business guy, but a head injury may be. A spinal injury could be devastating to young dad who is going to be raising a kid after football etc, etc.
The study is about 8yrs old but ST players have the highest risk of injury of all positions. About 1 in 50 plays. WR and RBs are next and the QBs are around 1 in 236 plays which is the lowest at risk of all the positions. It only seems higher because the cost to the team is much more severe due the positions importance if an injury occurs.
If we’re being honest, and really honest here…if Levis doesn’t play it’s more accepted than it would be another player because he has the best perceived career, money, life or whatever ahead of him. One player “opts out” while the other would be labeled a “quitter.”
And it’s not about what they do or don’t owe the fans. The commitment or lack there of should be directed towards the team (that will be out there playing) and the university (which provides their scholarship).
You are right, it’s their futures and if these bowl games aren’t worth the small risk of playing in it, then why not do away with them or revamp the season/playoffs to make all scheduled games mean something.
^ Fair take.
I acknowledge on front end that when is player deemed “loyal/unloyal” is total arbitrary. For me, it’s the CFP or NY6. That’s just my opinion and I don’t expect others to have same opinion.
I have posted elsewhere about the importance of the bowl to the program and university. There’s much to gain from winning. (Who would have thought UK fans would feel disappointed with 8 wins plus a bowl win!)
Just as I acknowledge that our thoughts about loyalty/disloyalty are abritary, then we must realize the players’ own perceptions are different than our’s. As I stated above, I’m certain that Stoops supports both players. Stoops wants to win, but he now has chance to see other players step into lead roles. I’m guessing the bowl game will determine who has lead for QB 2 going into spring, We’ll get a QB in portal. The transfer QB and most productive bowl QB will compete for 2023 QB 1.
I acknowledge on front end that when is player deemed “loyal/unloyal” is total arbitrary. For me, it’s the CFP or NY6. That’s just my opinion and I don’t expect others to have same opinion.
I have posted elsewhere about the importance of the bowl to the program and university. There’s much to gain from winning. (Who would have thought UK fans would feel disappointed with 8 wins plus a bowl win!)
Just as I acknowledge that our thoughts about loyalty/disloyalty are abritary, then we must realize the players’ own perceptions are different than our’s. As I stated above, I’m certain that Stoops supports both players. Stoops wants to win, but he now has chance to see other players step into lead roles. I’m guessing the bowl game will determine who has lead for QB 2 going into spring, We’ll get a QB in portal. The transfer QB and most productive bowl QB will compete for 2023 QB 1.
CRod was going to look horrible during this game and most likely lose a lil draft luster; ie:
Top 10 Iowa defense, Butkis LB award winner
Our passing QB gone, no OC
Writing was on the wall for CRod to get chewed up…
He can quit and the school can quit his scholarship if they want. Although I wouldn’t advise it.
They’re paying them because they help sell product. Because they’re celebrities. None of those deals requires them to play in a bowl game.
The players understand the dynamic. What does UK gain by forcing a kid to play or denying access to facilities if they don’t? That’s middle school logic that makes you feel good at the moment but the long term consequences are that you pay the price because the kids who have options, the kids that everyone wants go elsewhere because it’s known you care more about yourself than you care for them.
Do you even think about these things before you say them? First off the intent of the scholarship is to play the full year whereas the university fulfills their obligation for the entire year. The season isn’t over just because a fan like you thinks less of a bowl game. Secondly, of course he has the potential to be a top rated passer and very well could with the training environment, top notch coaches, nutritionist etc. that the NFL provides considering the budget for training him would be way more than at the college level. They literally have an invested interest in spending huge amounts of money to get him at his peak where as the college level ties the hands a lot more.
I don’t think it’s the smartest move to play in a bowl game at this point in their lives but it certainly is a responsibility they signed up for and owe the university according to the scholarship reguardless how classless you act putting down other fans or how degrading you are to the bowl game they earned the right to play in.
I agree with a lot of this. Personally, I think technically it is quitting on the school and the other players, technically. However if the school is good with it and Stoops is good with it then I wouldn’t complain regardless how I feel. I’m not saying they should play because you owe me, as a fan. I’m saying the intent of the agreement was to play the full year and the bowl is during the season reguardless how anyone feels about the significance of the bowl game.
I personally don’t think the fued is worth arguing over in the forums. Now days people aren’t capable of accepting that other people don’t always agree them without becoming nasty and vulgar trying to demean others. It’s quite pathetic how soft the society has become in this country to the point of discounting someone else’s opinion that doesn’t align and then blaming it on age, race, or religion to discount or discredit them. Seems weak minded to me.
True, but NIL money is being spent and is only there to begin with because the people/businesses shelling it out are doing so with the expectation that a kid actually plays for a team. Why would someone dump money into a NIL fund if they knew a kid wasn’t going to play? You wouldn’t, no right-minded person would.
JMO, if these “student athletes” are going to get paid on top of their scholarships then they should be required to play in every game if they are able. I get their side of the coin like Levis and CROD but I also understand the other side who have spent their money on these guys to perform and enhance their brands while being paid NIL money from those businesses and boosters. Like anything, there are always two sides of an argument and both sides of this one have a reasonable case.
They are independent corporations.
They have to make the best decisions for themselves.
Have you ever changed jobs?
Called off for work when you weren’t really sick?
Quite honestly, I would tell all 1-2 and some 3 rounders to go
But I’m an old fat what guy (except for 7.3% IIRC) and nobody listens to me anyways
They have to make the best decisions for themselves.
Have you ever changed jobs?
Called off for work when you weren’t really sick?
Quite honestly, I would tell all 1-2 and some 3 rounders to go
But I’m an old fat what guy (except for 7.3% IIRC) and nobody listens to me anyways
They sell product all year and will continue to having a popular player who will be a first round draft pick endorsing their product. I know you don’t like this and I get it. However, the schools and the NCAA turned this into a business decades ago. You can’t get mad at kids for making business decisions.
Pay no attention to supernova. Your posts are spot on. I agree with you totally.
I think the players should play. I'm not old, and think it would be pretty cool if some carolers showed up in my yard on Christmas.
I wonder why Allen and Robinson didn't worry about their career at stake? Why was their thinking different from Levis and CR?
Easy to say anything if you won't back it up with a bet, or, in your case, if you refuse to pay if you lose.
They may not owe anyone anything but just a couple months ago they wanted fans to show up at games and be hostile! They asked for that fan support even though they could only win 7 games with it... which 7 wins will get you to the Music City Bowl with your teammates. The O-line might've been terrible, but I'm sure they'll be some of em out there still tryin to block come time for MCB.
If they wanted to play in a more significant bowl then win more games. Levis is running the ole Option-out offense to end his UK career. CRod started the season out not playing and he finishes it running the option-out as well. It's not so much the score I care about or what they do but it's a little bit bitch made when you can't play 60 more mins of college football.
And again I understand that nobody owes anyone anything. It's just sometimes cool as hell when ppl have integrity. They do wats expected of them. Now I'll always remember these dudes for being too good for the MCB even tho they led us there.
My best memory of Benny Snell was scoring the TD late in the Citrus Bowl against PSU and going to his knees knowing the TD was huge and he had just set the record for most yards for a UK RB. I’ll always remember that when I think of Benny Snell. He could have opted out as well but he did not.
My last memories of Levis and CRod are them opting out of their last potential game as a UK Wildcat. These 2 guys were great UK players, but in my opinion, their UK legacies will be somewhat tarnished for going out like they are doing.
My last memories of Levis and CRod are them opting out of their last potential game as a UK Wildcat. These 2 guys were great UK players, but in my opinion, their UK legacies will be somewhat tarnished for going out like they are doing.
Do you have any reason to believe they plan on enrolling in the spring semester? Fall semester will be over well before then, so there's a good chance they will no longer be students.
You do realize the semester is over and both players have already graduated, right??
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