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Why so few Americans live in Kentucky compared to Tennessee

Spending ahs little to do with education results if you look at national numbers. There are some very fine programs spending half as much on students and getting much better results. KEA has been in charge of our states education for decades and they've failed. Every attempt to go around them is met with fear mongering and crying children.

I was just curious as to which metric he was using to compare the two states. He isn't talking post secondary because he mentioned kera.

It usually means dollars, but we spend more than they do.

Well, next go to act scores. Both states require each junior class to participate. Both states have identical results.




I think we are left with "feels like Kentucky is more anti ed".
 
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We only outspend Tenn by 14% per pupil. Maybe if we outspend them by 20% we could catch up.


KERA was about so much more than per-pupil spending. And it was working.

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I've never seen an analysis of who were behind the gutting of KERA. I've seen hide-bound older teachers blamed. Apparently lots of older teachers cited their 20 years in and retired. But I've also seen the charter school crowd blamed. It's hard to siphon off public money from an endeavor that is working well.
 
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Tax policy plays a huge part. They closed lots of manufacturing over the years and moved them to OH, Indy, Mich, Pa... I knew lots of people growing up who had family move to those states to follow their job. I've noticed more people from those states moving here now. I have neighbors from Indy and OH and work with several people from Mich.

People tend to follow jobs and we've never kept pace on attracting business. UPS and Ford get stuff done but that's about it. LOL.

I think you overlooked the minor detail that Toyota built and later expanded a huge plant which had the ripple effect of numerous companies in their supply chain also setting up facilities in the state. That was a huge coup.
 
I think you overlooked the minor detail that Toyota built and later expanded a huge plant which had the ripple effect of numerous companies in their supply chain also setting up facilities in the state. That was a huge coup.
That's one... Tenn has had dozens over the years and the co's specifically mentioned their state tax laws as the reason they moved there. We do give special deals to co's but why not just have a simple and lower tax policy that naturally attracts all kinds of business?
 
I know professional athletes and high achievers who moved to Tenn, in part, because of its income tax laws. Many of those people created jobs for others.

Does Tenn have charter schools?
 
It’s interesting that about half of the Kentucky population actually lives in an urban area. Can basically divide the state into NKY, EKY, Lexington, Louisville, WKY. The only thing Corbin really has in common with Paducah is being a small town. Yet it’s often conveyed that it’s Louisville vs the state.

I sincerely love this state and where I’m from. It kills me we lag so behind in some things, but that’s why Kentucky is an interesting place
 
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It’s interesting that about half of the Kentucky population actually lives in an urban area. Can basically divide the state into NKY, EKY, Lexington, Louisville, WKY. The only thing Corbin really has in common with Paducah is being a small town. Yet it’s often conveyed that it’s Louisville vs the state.

I sincerely love this state and where I’m from. It kills me we lag so behind in some things, but that’s why Kentucky is an interesting place
It's usually portrayed as NKY/Louisville versus the state, from my experience. Just from talking to people around the state.
 
As someone born and raised in Paducah, I'd like to put the blame on my hometown and the old money there on refusing to grow and thus not help the state grow.

It has a ton of potential but has fallen from the 5th(or so) most populated city in the 80's to somewhere in the teens.

I won't get into everything the leaders of the community passed on but it's pretty extensive.

You're a town on a major waterway that is situated halfway between St. Louis and Nashville from east to west and almost halfway between Memphis and Chicago from north to south. Just think about what you can draw from being in the middle of that hub but leaders screwed it up, maybe on purpose.

At any rate, Paducah is just now discussing a massive sports facility like ETown to draw teams from those areas. It's something that should have been done 20 years ago.

I know somebody mentioned that gambling would kill KY but I salivate at the thought of a casino overlooking the Ohio River in downtown Paducah. There is no reason it couldn't become a regional tourist destination.
 
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As someone born and raised in Paducah, I'd like to put the blame on my hometown and the old money there on refusing to grow and thus not help the state grow.

It has a ton of potential but has fallen from the 5th(or so) most populated city in the 80's to somewhere in the teens.

I won't get into everything the leaders of the community passed on but it's pretty extensive.

You're a town on a major waterway that is situated halfway between St. Louis and Nashville from east to west and almost halfway between Memphis and Chicago from north to south. Just think about what you can draw from being in the middle of that hub but leaders screwed it up, maybe on purpose.

At any rate, Paducah is just now discussing a massive sports facility like ETown to draw teams from those areas. It's something that should have been done 20 years ago.

I know somebody mentioned that gambling would kill KY but I salivate at the thought of a casino overlooking the Ohio River in downtown Paducah. There is no reason it couldn't become a regional tourist destination.
Kentucky is just very old ways. My county didn't allow you to buy beer until like 6-7 years ago.
 
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I moved out of state in 95. Going back and driving around Lexington and all around northern KY, it looks exactly the same. Unreal how much of a time capsule the state is.
 
I moved out of state in 95. Going back and driving around Lexington and all around northern KY, it looks exactly the same. Unreal how much of a time capsule the state is.
Lexington has changed a ton in the last 20 years in my opinion. Newport has too.
 
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I haven’t read all of the responses but state income tax is obviously a huge part of it. It’s no coincidence that every big boomtown in the country (Austin, Nashville, Tampa, and then bigger metros like Houston and Miami) are located in states with no income tax.
 
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I haven’t read all of the responses but state income tax is obviously a huge part of it. It’s no coincidence that every big boomtown in the country (Austin, Nashville, Tampa, and then bigger metros like Houston and Miami) are located in states with no income tax.
Trust me, what they don’t charge in State income tax—they make up for it in other ways.
 
Spending ahs little to do with education results if you look at national numbers. There are some very fine programs spending half as much on students and getting much better results. KEA has been in charge of our states education for decades and they've failed. Every attempt to go around them is met with fear mongering and crying children.
The two most important factors of student performance in school are the zip code they reside and their parent’s W-2’s. More and more school funding has shifted from the state to the local school district. Students in more affluent areas have a larger tax base to provide what the state is not. The W-2 part is easy. If poverty and survival aren’t issues, parents and students can focus on educational performance; if it is an issue, educational performance gets pushed to the back burner.
 
Trust me, what they don’t charge in State income tax—they make up for it in other ways.
The % of total $$ that goes to taxes is remarkably flat. For years and years. Over some span, the Feds take it, the cities take it, or the states. Excise taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, income tax whatever ... the % taken to run our common concerns stays flat. Florida, for example, is touted as a low tax state and people move there. They discover that their property taxes are higher and -- hidden tax -- their property insurance is 3-4 times the national average. We have relatives who were unhoused by the recent hurricane who need only an out-of-state job offer to get out.
 
I drove through Knoxville the other day—and got physically sick.
For several years in the early oughts, we had to drive through Knoxville 10 or so times a year. It has always seemed to me to the biggest waste of a great location of any city I could think of. There are worse cities, but Knoxville's surrounding countryside is just lovely and the city really isn't.
 
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For several years in the early oughts, we had to drive through Knoxville 10 or so times a year. It has always seemed to me to the biggest waste of a great location of any city I could think of. There are worse cities, but Knoxville's surrounding countryside is just lovely and the city really isn't.
I agree but as of late they are dumping money into it. Even putting a baseball stadium in the city and having a pedestrian area for shops and restaurants.
 
The two most important factors of student performance in school are the zip code they reside and their parent’s W-2’s. More and more school funding has shifted from the state to the local school district. Students in more affluent areas have a larger tax base to provide what the state is not. The W-2 part is easy. If poverty and survival aren’t issues, parents and students can focus on educational performance; if it is an issue, educational performance gets pushed to the back burner.
Agreed but there are pilot programs that go to bad schools and draw 20ish students out of a hat and put them through a program from 8th grade to graduation and they do remarkably well. The fact we don't expand what works shows how little politicians care about education.
 
It's usually portrayed as NKY/Louisville versus the state, from my experience. Just from talking to people around the state.
Oh I think you can add Lexington to that "us vs. them" list as well. Two of our elected representatives, who represent part of Fayette County (Thayer, West) literally never have a nice thing to say about Lexington.

As for the poster that said Lexington looks exactly the same as 1995, I just ROFLMAO
 
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I used to love visiting Nashville, but now it’s just too much! The traffic is awful and they don’t have the infrastructure for all of those new skyscrapers.
Having said that, Louisville, is going in the opposite direction and that’s even worse.
 
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