I do want integrity. You can have that but still be aggressive and be in the gray. There are no saints in this or any other business.
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I do want integrity. You can have that but still be aggressive and be in the gray. There are no saints in this or any other business.
If Pitino was taking attention off the FB program under Curry, it was a big favor to CM and Curry.
Absolutely the worst FB coach in the history of UK football in my opinion.
This year may be a 500 year. New SEC.
And apparently with your AD wants it too and refuses to bring in the same type coach that fits AU perfectly. After the things Petino did and how he was talked about here on this site some, not all, wanted to hire him for a 5 year run? And aggressive to mean means working hard, not taking shortcuts. I think your AD believes the same.
With a Conference win/loss record of 35 wins & 55 losses over 10-11 years (0.389), (which is better than all coaches since Curci 50 years ago), should it be the standard going forward, or will UK expect something better than less than average?
From reading this board my synopsis is "folks should be happy with where we are", and leave bigger expectations in the closet.
Am not going to fight people on this board over this, but just point out realities. After all, its not like Stoops is a coach that's been here for 2-3 years -- we've seen what UK football has been, and will most likely be for years to come.... sprinkled in a few unexpected losses, as well as wins....
Our AD is happy with the status quo because most fans are too. Something that's generally not tolerated at all of the other SEC football schools except for maybe a few.
Heck, we just ran off a HOF BBall coach (for good reasons in my opinion)....
Just pointing out the different expectations for the two programs -- same AD.
lol what?
They both wanted to leave. Cal was welcomed with open arms and the fanbase is enamored while stoops was laughed at and had to come back.
I hope we have the best team in history but this is just silly and shows the delusion of a large part of our fanbase
They both wanted to leave. Cal was welcomed with open arms and the fanbase is enamored while stoops was laughed at and had to come back.
I hope we have the best team in history but this is just silly and shows the delusion of a large part of our fanbase
I am but UK is my home school. Their schedule looks more intense than in years past.i see 5 wins for sure, maybe up to 7. I can also see that with a bad bounce of the ball 5 wins could be it. I pull for them but just don't see them making a real run this season. I would love to be corrected.
Agree and its somewhat similar to Cal's situation IMO in that the big difference maker needs to come from the Coaches themselves in game situations. The decision makers (Stoops, Hamden, White) have to win battles in games against the guys on the other side and make a 3 to 6 point difference, or at least break even. We just cant lose points in play calling and game strategies. Not that he has the talent, Mark and Co. need to become an Elite game coaches too. A majority of our games any more are down to the wire contests and we have to win a few more of those close games to reach another level. Great game coaching can do that.
Football-Basketball war is over, all fans are the winners of the peace
I wish, except a lot of our bball-only fans are pure a-holes
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Can we just be happy with what we have? I could have been an astronaut but instead I’m something else. Things happen. Who cares where someone should have been? They’re here. Let’s get over ourselves.
In this current era of 5-10mil a year paydays in the conference and everyone having enough resources to achieve mediocre results the real measure should be conference performance moving forward. It’s also why the A&M fans revolted. How can you hire a coach with no track record for functional offense that had 4 losing conference records in his last 5 seasons after he had ‘built’ the program. A&M has only had 2 losing conference records since being in the sec. Their fans saw through the stockpile of wins against the MAC. I don’t know that Elko is any better of a hire but I guess they could at least justify that they didn’t know what he would be or not whereas we all kind of know what stoops is. I will say the one hope I hold out for improvement is that it showed him what he’s doing still isnt enough for elsewhere so if he wants to so he better get better offensively more aggressive defensively and win in the conference. Whether his lack of creativity in a creative age can get us there we’ll see. I’ll hope for the best with hamdan.
Agreed. I don’t care that he wanted to take a step in his career and don’t need to pretend he didn’t try. That being said, he still needs to take a marginal step up in performance to justify his pay
And 20 of those 55 conference losses were compiled his first three seasons, when we had MAC level upper classmen recruited by Joker Phillips, and a handful of 4 Stars still learning how to shave.
From your numbers, we are 50/50 in the SEC since 2016 . . . and the last era when we batted .500 in the SEC for 8 successive seasons, Bear Bryant was the coach.
John Ray was bad. Curry was worse....in my opinion.
John Ray was a horrible hire by another basketball AD. Just another D coordinator with no head coaching experience. (That sounds familiar).
Curry was supposed to be a championship level coach. I had really high hopes for the football program when he was hired........until I heard him pontificate......and then I knew, another baaaaad hire.
Great person. Terrible coach.
John Ray 39-39 at UK
Bill Curry 23-51 record at UK.
Not even close.
John Ray was 10-33 his four seasons at Kentucky, 1969-1972, and his best two seasons were his first two, each 3-8.
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He left us Sonny Collins and a new stadium, but his winning % was actually below Bill Curry’s.
But your original point is still well taken: I drank myself into Bourbon induced comas watching Bill Curry’s teams try to play football.
I was too young to actually appreciate the horror that was John Ray football.
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You are correct about Ray. My bad. I looked at his total record as a HC which included his time at John Carroll.John Ray was 10-33 his four seasons at Kentucky, 1969-1972, and his best two seasons were his first two, each 3-8.
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He left us Sonny Collins and a new stadium, but his winning % was actually below Bill Curry’s.
But your original point is still well taken: I drank myself into Bourbon induced comas watching Bill Curry’s teams try to play football.
I was too young to actually appreciate the horror that was John Ray football.
I know I was glad to see both of them go. Dark days for a UK football fan.
I finally invested in season tickets when we got Mummy to coach Couch. Fun times.
No he said it correctly especially the Jan 6th Republicans
For years Stoops was on the verge of taking the next step especially in recruiting but a few well placed Brain farts derailed it like uncovered wrs or clock management seems like I'm missing a couple
Probably didn't need the Bourbon for those Coma,sJohn Ray was 10-33 his four seasons at Kentucky, 1969-1972, and his best two seasons were his first two, each 3-8.
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He left us Sonny Collins and a new stadium, but his winning % was actually below Bill Curry’s.
But your original point is still well taken: I drank myself into Bourbon induced comas watching Bill Curry’s teams try to play football.
I was too young to actually appreciate the horror that was John Ray football.
Not to pick on you too badly, cathouse, as I consider you a solid poster. But your error might be proof of one commentator’s theory: that younger fans might not realize just how bad UK football was for five decades.
We may yet see a statue for Jerry Caliborne who had a losing record. Had Ray pitched .500, he would have been considered a massive improvement over the likes of Bradshaw, Curci, Curry, Mumme and Joker, and at least on the level of Claiborne.
And his .500 record would prove the claim.
I had high hopes for the football program when John Ray was hired. New stadium. New era of SEC football.
And then he turned out to be a horrible HC. Worse than I remembered.
I was REALLY excited when we hired JC. Bryant disciple, Hoptown boy. UK player. NC at Maryland. Disciplined. Dedicated. Honorable man. Loved his coaching. Even the wide tackle six defense. He truly was a great coach.
It has been a looonnnnggg hard struggle for older UK football fans. Blanton Collier and Don Shula aren't walking through that door. Neither is the Bear. I have no recollection of Bear at UK. Collier teams is as far back as my memory takes me. Bradshaw and the "Thin Thirty" probably the most memorable of the early team for me.
My dad took me to games in the 80s but I don't remember them. Bill Curry is when my memory starts to kick in of being at Commonwealth.
Stoops has already won more football games at UK than Bryant won. For the anti-Stoops crowd, this is blasphemy. But it's time for people to wake up and understand that UK's football program is stronger than it used to be. No longer the coaches' graveyard. No longer shut out of the SEC top tier. No longer a game that opponents look forward to. Now we find out which UK fans really have intestinal fortitude and a working understanding of the program building process over the longer term.
Unfortunately, for many of us older fans, there is no " longer term".
That is why there is such an urgency from many of us older fans to see this program take that next "giant" step.
We are oh so close, thanks to CMS and MB for investing in the FB program. But, man, just one more step and we are a legitimate contender, not only in the SEC, but this 12 team playoff is an open door for teams like UK to finally have a shot at getting in.
The question is, which programs have what it takes to push through their ceiling and get there.
I want to see UK be that team again. Bear Bryant got us there. So I know it CAN be done.
Fran Curci was almost there by doing what Bama, UT, Auburn and the SEC powers have always done, and got by with it. But the powers that be would never allow UK to buy top talent and get by with it like the kings of the south could.
CMS has got to figure out what it takes and then do whatever "that" is, and get it done, sooner rather than later, for us older fans.
Not clear what you are saying. Are you saying Kentucky should cheat? Are you saying Curci should not have been investigated? Are you saying your age has anything to do with Kentucky's football building opportunity? Regardless of age, all of us except the trolls want Kentucky to win as many football games as possible. Only a few regret that Kentucky does not cheat, and they are kryptonite to the football program. No other SEC school tries harder to avoid cheating, and that is a BADGE OF HONOR for Kentucky. If that means we don't reach some arbitrary deadline, too bad cause many other Kentucky fans want to win as bad as you. I know I do. But I see our school doing its best, and I have faith in them. You seem to know the football program has not been in such good shape since the Bear was at Kentucky. It has not been. That alone should earn faith and optimism.
Dang man. You totally misread my post. Not even gonna try to explain it to you.
Have a nice day.
I am not knocking your post, but Mumme was 10-22 in the SEC at UK and we call that “fun times.” Hack says Stoops is .500 since 2016. In that time, we had two of the best teams in the UK modern era and we complain. Today’s UK football fan would run Mumme out of town for having a gimmick that did not win enough in the SEC.
Your sympathy for the stupid, but nice, A&M fans is hard to follow. You say you understand them revolting when a coach who has taken his team to more major bowls since 2016 than A&M, but they don’t revolt when a coach with questionable ACC record (ACC!!) gets hired. I will let you try to understand that.
Am I missing a coma/comma word play? Induced comas vs. induced commas?
Mumme followed two defensive minded HC who could not score points against anyone with Curry and Uzilac deciding it was a good idea to have the top rated passing QB to run an option offense. Florida 70 UK 3.
Lots of those type scores. Mumme finally showed UK fans that UK DID have enough talent on offense to score the ball, given the right coach and scheme. Mumme, Mike Leach and staff ran an explosive and exciting offense that put up a lot of points against the best defenses in the SEC. Unfortunately, it was at the expense of the defense which wasn't even an afterthought with Mumme.
Now, we have a good, sometimes great defensive football team, and many fans are still trying to convince us that UK just doesn't have the talent to score points against SEC defenses.
That is BS and we know it because we have seen that given the right coach and the right offensive scheme, we can score against anyone.
I am hoping Bush Hamdan is that coach that has that scheme where we can actually score against the top teams and have a CHANCE to actually win some of those games.
But to continually defend our putrid offense saying we just don't have the talent is just wrong. The coaching staff must have the right scheme and the right mindset to play winning offense in the SEC if we are ever going to take that next step.
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