I can't remember having this much talent coming off a redshirt year. Ready for this season to start!
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I would love for the RS to one day be seniors.
Not nearly enough talented seniors at UK over the years.
If nothing else, they'll provide some quality depth until they get their feet wet. But really looking forward to seeing how these redshirts perform. I think they'll be readyJust a reminder that none of these guys have played a down of SEC football. Good potential but they need a chance to breath.
Exactly. You're also more likely going to lose a three year player if he's already graduated. Teddy Bridgewater comes to mind.We have had one guy in the last decade make an nfl roster after his Junior year. I am not worried about losing a red-shirt Junior. You do lose the chance to cover an injury or grade issue if you burn it as a Freshman.
So why are Bama, OSU, USC, Florida St, etc redshirting high school all Americans? You play a kid early because he is too good not to play or because you don't have adequate depth at the position. Not because you think he's going to leave in two years. No one knows what is going to happen with a player's development in football. This isn't basketball where guys get drafted on potential. You better be a man when you say I'm going to the next level. The nfl is an unforgiving place.The problem is if you have ultra talented players they likely will not be with the team more than 3 years
. With this scenario if you redshirt you only get 2 years of play from the player.
IMO you do not redshirt players that you project as likely to go early to the NFL. Its sort of like you do not redshirt likely one and done basketball players.
The redshirt year is for players that are not physically or mentally ready to play at this level. I suppose you could say they need a year to learn the systems but if they are going to be gone in 3 years let them learn the systems while contributing to the team their first year.
I do not contest that most all players need a redshirt year but the reality of the 3 and done IMO makes you play some of your more talented players or risk having only 2 years of their services.
If any redshirted players leave after three years and are as talented and have performed like Bridgewater at their position then our team will have been darn good. All the top programs red shirt most players except elite skilled position players (RB, WR). That's how you build quality depth. Stoops knows that and has redshirted a lot since he has been here. He redshirted an entire defensive unit last year.Exactly. You're also more likely going to lose a three year player if he's already graduated. Teddy Bridgewater comes to mind.
Every one of those players are talented enough to have had a shot at playing time last year. Now they are bigger, faster and stronger (words UofLsucksville fans hate to hear) plus talented. This is our depth which looks real, real good to see.DL Tymere Dubose
DL Adrian Middleton
LB Dorian Hendrix
LB Nico Firios
LB Denzil Ware
LB Kobie Walker
DB Jared Tucker
DB Darius West
DB Mike Edwards
QB Drew Barker
OL Bunchy Stallings
OL Nick Richardson
OL Jarrett LaRubbio
TE Darryl Long
WR Thaddeus Snodgrass
WR Jeff Badet - SOPH
WR Alex Montgomery - SOPH
Love it. Next year's redshirt group will be even bigger. Stoops is building this thing from the ground up.DL Tymere Dubose
DL Adrian Middleton
LB Dorian Hendrix
LB Nico Firios
LB Denzil Ware
LB Kobie Walker
DB Jared Tucker
DB Darius West
DB Mike Edwards
QB Drew Barker
OL Bunchy Stallings
OL Nick Richardson
OL Jarrett LaRubbio
TE Darryl Long
WR Thaddeus Snodgrass
WR Jeff Badet - SOPH
WR Alex Montgomery - SOPH
DL Tymere Dubose
DL Adrian Middleton
LB Dorian Hendrix
LB Nico Firios
LB Denzil Ware
LB Kobie Walker
DB Jared Tucker
DB Darius West
DB Mike Edwards
QB Drew Barker
OL Bunchy Stallings
OL Nick Richardson
OL Jarrett LaRubbio
TE Darryl Long
WR Thaddeus Snodgrass
WR Jeff Badet - SOPH
WR Alex Montgomery - SOPH
Kobie Walker's hurt, may not be ready come fall.
So why are Bama, OSU, USC, Florida St, etc redshirting high school all Americans? You play a kid early because he is too good not to play or because you don't have adequate depth at the position. Not because you think he's going to leave in two years. No one knows what is going to happen with a player's development in football. This isn't basketball where guys get drafted on potential. You better be a man when you say I'm going to the next level. The nfl is an unforgiving place.
Good point Grumpydog but at the same time the signing of 4 and 5 star players between Bama and Kentucky is polar opposite. Kentucky is trying to make up ground by substituting experience and maturity for raw talent. I think it is the only approach that can be used successfully at Kentucky until we establish ourselves as a go to school. It's not like we don't ever play freshmen but I do think the RS method Stoops is using is the smart choice for now.
Louisville fans don't hate to hear it, UK fans just like to say it year after year after year.Every one of those players are talented enough to have had a shot at playing time last year. Now they are bigger, faster and stronger (words UofLsucksville fans hate to hear) plus talented. This is our depth which looks real, real good to see.
Louisville fans don't hate to hear it, UK fans just like to say it year after year after year.[/QUOTE
Beware looserville fan it is becoming true under Stoops. He has RS more players since his arrival then Brooks and the Joker did. I will venture to say quite a few from the class being recruited now will end up redshirted.
Louisville fans don't hate to hear it, UK fans just like to say it year after year after year.
I do not deny that most of the players UK recruits need to be redshirted but they do get a few that are ready to play as True Freshmen and have a shot at going early to the NFL. I think George A-A is an example of a player that you are risking having only 3 years if you red shirt him.
The poster that posted that the big boys like Alabama and LSU indiscriminately redshirt every player is just plain wrong. Those type schools get a lot of physically ready players and do play them as true Freshmen.
The difference is that UK has in the past had to play players that would have been redshirted at those schools
All positions are not created equal when it comes to redshirts. The OL is probably the most universally redshirted positions. Then probably the DT positions. Nothing however is set in stone and there is always exceptions.
Then we have the scenario that a player can be redshirted any year. It doesn't have to be as a True Freshman. If you play a player as a Freshman and he proves to need a Redshirt you can always redshirt him as a sophomore. I actually have many times though redshirting as a sophomore makes more sense than redshirting as a Freshman. Yes I do know that isn't a popular thing with players and is the reason that it isn't often done.
I do not deny that most of the players UK recruits need to be redshirted but they do get a few that are ready to play as True Freshmen and have a shot at going early to the NFL. I think George A-A is an example of a player that you are risking having only 3 years if you red shirt him.
The poster that posted that the big boys like Alabama and LSU indiscriminately redshirt every player is just plain wrong. Those type schools get a lot of physically ready players and do play them as true Freshmen.
The difference is that UK has in the past had to play players that would have been redshirted at those schools
All positions are not created equal when it comes to redshirts. The OL is probably the most universally redshirted positions. Then probably the DT positions. Nothing however is set in stone and there is always exceptions.
Then we have the scenario that a player can be redshirted any year. It doesn't have to be as a True Freshman. If you play a player as a Freshman and he proves to need a Redshirt you can always redshirt him as a sophomore. I actually have many times though redshirting as a sophomore makes more sense than redshirting as a Freshman. Yes I do know that isn't a popular thing with players and is the reason that it isn't often done.
Good point, that's another area that could be an X factor for us. A great special teams play can jack a team up like no other.one of the biggest areas of help for these rs may be special teams. much better to have young "athletes" out there covering kicks then a 4th year guy that just can't crack the rotation anywhere else.
i think it was mumme who said UK was putting future accountants out there on special teams and bama was putting future all americans out there. young talented guys wanting to prove themselves could make the special teams better with just raw talent.... they just have to have the "want to" also.
That's true, Keith Marshall RS as a Jr last year. He came in an early game, play 2 snaps and tweeked his knee, applied for the RS and it was granted. He wasn't ready mentally to come back, may not ever recover from it, some do, some don't. But if healthy he is a big play waiting to happen, was on US Jr. track team as a 100 man, run sub 10.3 in international meets as a HS sr. But he has put on about 20 lbs since then too, so not likely he is that fast now.
Grumpy that doesn't sound right to me. The rules state that if you played one play you are not eligible for a regular redshirt. He could apply for a Medical redshirt to get the fifth year but I believe you do not apply until the senior year. They sometime even approve a sixth year if a player has already redshirted on the eligibility clock if they are injured. I remember a few UK players getting the sixth year.