Yeah, money spent in recruiting is usually pay for play and not NIL. How many UK fans knew the names of our commitments before they committed or were being recruited? Most of this is not NIL. UK players who made a name for themselves on the field getting paid is NIL. If a high schooler has a big YouTube or TikTok following, they should be able to make money. But, tempting a kid to your school with a bag of cash is not NIL.
Matt Jones regarding the NIL at UK.
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I got bashed repeatedly the past week for taking the same stance as you. Not sure why others don't get this.
Glad your business is doing well but i'll admit i just don't get the whole sports memorabilia thing.
If you paid Will good, then you must get a good price for the items you sell.
Im a huge fan but autographed pics just doesnt do it for me.
If i met Will out somewhere and got a pic with him i would consider thata "cool" experience but when you have to pay top dollar it just loses its appeal.
No. Wtf...
JMI hasn't done anything to hurt our revenue or footprint. IT HAS increased our footprint and enforcement of logo rights nationwide.
The plain fact is that our revenue is more fixed than that of other schools.
-We have the smallest fanbase in the SEC for the highest revenue sport - football.
-We have one of the smallest football stadiums in the SEC.
-This state has one of the lowest GDPs in the SEC and country and splits that revenue source with UL, WKU, EKU, and other schools.
-KY state revenue is shrinking compared to the growth of other states.
-We don't have a high state population or brands like NIKE, Gatorade, or Ford that have their headquarters here.
Is this really that hard to understand?
Yes, I’m aware of how lobbying works. Thanks for the cliff notes version.
Read however you want. But yea, the Kentucky GOP is the whore and Churchill Downs is the pimp
That's excellent that it works for you. I don't care how it does, really, as long as it does, but that's not enough to go on for my business.
Covers. Got it. So zero ROI or thereabouts. You've got a lot more liquidity then and/or disposable income, and that's great. For me and most small businesses that I know, you're in a different boat. We need a much better ROI.
If UK's NIL operation had a $1 for every word Girthang posted in anger about NIL we could sign 25 5 stars, lol
Just kidding dude, change is painful, I've also tuned out & ignore college basketball over the last decade. You could put a gun to my head & demand i name 10 college bball players and I'm dead meat - UK players included.
Old subject that won't go away. Barnhart is an old fuddy duddy who can't adapt or accept the world changing in ways counter to his personal ethics. Been a great AD, but just isn't anymore for 2023. He is not letting Stoops prepare this program for 2024, 9 game SEC sched.
The problem ain't the denial of logos folks. All NILs have to be submitted and approved by Barnhart. Barnhart turns around and pressures the sponsors that they can't just pay players, they have to give JMI & UK a cut.
And then there are the threats given out to UK boosters & sponsors that Barnhart will cut them off & excommunicate them if they try to do NIL with incoming or prospective recruits.
UK is in a bad spot, but we aren't alone. USCjrs best RB along with several other important players have hit the portal due to dissatisfaction in NIL payments.
Just kidding dude, change is painful, I've also tuned out & ignore college basketball over the last decade. You could put a gun to my head & demand i name 10 college bball players and I'm dead meat - UK players included.
Old subject that won't go away. Barnhart is an old fuddy duddy who can't adapt or accept the world changing in ways counter to his personal ethics. Been a great AD, but just isn't anymore for 2023. He is not letting Stoops prepare this program for 2024, 9 game SEC sched.
The problem ain't the denial of logos folks. All NILs have to be submitted and approved by Barnhart. Barnhart turns around and pressures the sponsors that they can't just pay players, they have to give JMI & UK a cut.
And then there are the threats given out to UK boosters & sponsors that Barnhart will cut them off & excommunicate them if they try to do NIL with incoming or prospective recruits.
UK is in a bad spot, but we aren't alone. USCjrs best RB along with several other important players have hit the portal due to dissatisfaction in NIL payments.
I was born in Kentucky and this weekend had the chance to come back and visit. This is outside of Lexington but man the state seems poor. Around the Muhlenberg area and places I had grew up were trashed. Russellville seemed ok and Lewisburg was not bad (seemed to be held together by 1 factory) and maybe I am just on the wrong side but living in TN and it seems the money is rolling through here if you were to compare the 2.
Maybe it is just a lack of money issue. We lived here when the coal mines were thriving, left when most of it closed.
Maybe it is just a lack of money issue. We lived here when the coal mines were thriving, left when most of it closed.
It may have been great at the time, but that time has passed and now JMI is a hindrance.
Lmao... Thanks for the amazing (grade school level) insight into the whoredom of state politics.
Still has nothing to do with JMI and the AD.
Fkn keyboard warriors with nothing but baseless slander against someone that works hard at their jobs... big surprises on the message boards today
(And they are ALL keyboard warriors because they haven't got a dog in the hunt nor a dime in the ante, and no one gives 2 fricks what they think. So they rant and rage here and assume everyone else is angry because they don't like the AD. Ssdd. Got to have someone to blame for something because they're miserable.)
NIL is awesome, as I've said thousands of times over 20 years, when it's truly NIL.
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Yeah and that liscencing fee according to a vendor that tried to do this was a quarter million dollars. I'm not saying they deserve nothing, but they'd make more money if they lowered their asking price, the players would make more money, and the rights they paid for would be worth more if JMI and UK weren't trying to squeeze every penny they can get to go to them instead of allowing everyone to eat.
Lol. Well it's not anarchy yet, so you can't just eliminate JMI because the contract doesn't look as good as it once did.
Keep in mind, Matt Jones harping on this issue and attacking JMI might be because he is trying to get his new friends at On3 to replace them....don't assume he is being completely truthful about his motivations
Mitch? Mitch’s mom?
I’m no keyboard warrior honey. I don’t share the same opinion as you so you get mad. That’s a YOU problem.
Mitch hasn’t been supportive of NIL. Mitch doesn’t Iike it. It’s not his job to like it or not. It’s his job to adjust to todays environment. Sorry it’s moved past 1999 for him and he won’t adjust to it
I recall Matt saying when the 15 Club came out that the coaches wanted to include perks involving meet and greets with the staff with the various levels of Club 15 but JMI's contract prevented it. I think his whole point was big donors stepped up this year but to ask them to do what they did this year every year is probably not feasible and so the money is going to have to come from other avenues.
Lmao. So you're a keyboard psychic that couldn't read a coke bottle. Cool. Right there with you
I've not posted anything in anger, though I understand common sense is confused for a lot of things these days. There is a LOT of misunderstanding and confusion here though.
I'm in favor of (true) NIL. It was bullsht that the university got to profit off of the players images for decades and they got nothing. Not only did the players not profit, the people that took the photos were also ripped off by the university(s) as well. Have a few photog friends that had to sue to get a little of what they should've been paid for the use and profit off of their work without consent.
I have also long been in favor of players being able to be insured against future earnings losses due to injury, or receiving compensation so they could insure themselves.
@JHB4UK
Thank you!
I've been asking on here for years just HOW he is affecting NIL, and this is the first time I've seen what you said. If you posted it and I missed it, my apologies.
If what I highlighted in your post is true, it's pretty fkd up.
I get that he has a budget to fund and protect, but threatening the goose won't get you better egg production. I'd have to see proof of it to believe it, because that type of behavior seems to be very unethical, and in direct conflict with his job as AD because of it.
All this, not to mention Mingione should have been fired years ago but apparently they’re church friends. Elzy also got a baffling contract extension after a disappointing season (outside of the SEC tournament) after having the #1 draft pick and WNBA ROY.
Lol. ...mad... like I thought, you're grade school level ...
You're too chickensht to directly accuse the guy of taking money from JMI to prevent NIL. Just going to imply it through fkd up analogies. Key.board.warrior.
Good thing someone else stepped up and explained what you knew nothing about.
100%...Kyra Elzy will end up being a bad coach. She was left with a stacked roster and outside of miracle SEC tourney run...she was going to miss the NCAA. And Mitch promptly gives her a longer contract. You can't make this stuff up.
Mitch has been Mr. Politician last few runs. He's good at spending other people's money.
Tennessee has the nuclear industry and tourism as a base of revenue. They also dont have income tax. They really do have the money flowing and people want to live there and keep spending their money there.
Had the idiotic war on coal not become a thing, had the gov not allowed harmful additives in cigarettes, and had hemp not been made illegal, I think KY wouldn't be in the condition that it is. Tobacco and coal would still be thriving. Tourism would be up. The land would be used instead of sitting fallow for generations. There would be more jobs and manufacturing taking place here.
We need to clean house in the legislature and get coal and hemp production and hemp-product manufacturing booming. Lower income tax and create an agricultural stimulus for production.
That would boost our NIL ability/status as well.
Continue to stroke your ego like you do yourself every night.
You explained nothing to me. Mitch is beholden to JMI. Mitch won’t support NIL because that means a business has to decided between a collective and ads during games thus money out of JMI’s pocket.
Do you understand how that works? You can’t do both so you have to choose. Mitch and JMI want you to choose JMI. Mitch wants donors to give to projects on campus and not NIL. Again, do you understand?
How much more to you need me to dumb it down for you?
How could the contract prevent it? Serious question. Does anyone know the answer?
If the coaches want to do it, I don't see how it couldn't happen unless very specifically stated in the contract
Like I said above, coaches have a different layer. The school pays only a small portion of the reported total salary package. The remainder is paid for by advertisers, etc, in bundled endorsement deals.
My guess is the block, if there actually is one, is said companies who fund the coaching contracts are not pleased with the notion their investment is being devalued because the endorsement deals they signed would no longer be exclusive.
It can all be handled in contract language, but someone has to address it. Sounds like noone on the UK end did.
All in all, the entire nil shortage is 100% on Mitch. Coaches shouldn't have to worry about beating bushes or jumping in dunking booths. The AD should absolutely be raising these funds and courting these boosters. He isn't because he doesn't like it.
There's no way unless they were wanting to be able to use the UK logo on its own without it being on a players jersey or something. Do you know what the language was specifically?
If they lower the price for the "logo only" ability to advertise, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot with big sponsors of athletics.
It was a memorabilia store trying to do a signing with a player or players, and for the player to be in uniform JMI wanted a quarter mil for a small shop. They wanted more money than the business and player combined were going to take in.
Then market it as will Levis QB. It really isn't even a hard work around. It's literally how every other endorsement deals works for professional athletes
I think the business owner cancelled the event actually, because apparently without the uniform the value of the photo dropped to the point it wasn't worth doing he said. So instead of the business, athlete and JMI all making money, because JMI's fees were so high, NO ONE made money.
Duh, I said weeks ago that Mitch has to deal with JMI. The world has changed and that contract MUST change. If they refuse, infirm them that they will NEVER again be eligible to hold the contract. Period.
Now let's see if Barney has the balls for that. I doubt it so replace him too.
I'm not sure if you're serious or being sarcastic at this point haha.
Is there a significant difference to the company if will Levis appears as "UK QB will Levis" vs "will Levis QB"?
Because the latter example is literally all it would take to get around it. Imo it's 0 difference because anyone in the target audience already knows who he is
Yet we do have UPS, YUM brands, Lexmark, the Bourbon trail, Toyota and Corvette.
You just ADMITTED that our top15 status is no longer. Wasn’t JMI supposed to RAISE our national brand??? By your OWN admission our support has DECLINED since the JMI deal.
I agree that the fees are outrageous for anyone who is a small business. I suspect JMI, or most other companies like them, are not set up to deal with small mom and pop enterprises wanting to use UK's logo. I don't know what the marginal cost and marginal revenue revenue would be if they pursued those contracts, but apparently they feel that the marginal revenue would not exceed the marginal by enough to be worth the effort. Therefore, their fees are based on larger enterprises who want to license the UK logo. I think the solution would be to add language to UK's agreement with them that would allow student athletes to use the logo at a small fee or maybe for some percentage of the revenue they generate. Of course JMI would have to agree to add such an addendum before it could be added.
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That's insane, but it also doesn't surprise me, given what my friend just told me about the hard time they gave him regarding his photography
Lol. "Admitted.... declined..." Nope. Read what I posted again.
And no. We don't have YUM. UL does. We don't really have Lexmark anymore. Toyota and UPS are international companies that have a presence here, but do not benefit much from the type of sponsorship that Nike would. Corvette, bourbon, sure.
Everyone here who throws up your hands saying "oh well, thats the JMI contract, nothin we can do" has the same loser mentality, afraid to push the envelope mentality as Barnhart
This is why we need new vision for this new age of college sports. Mitch is stuck in 20th century mindset, where NCAA is king and you don't even HINT that you are getting near the guardrails. Today is owned by those who have the stones to let others spend. Aint no rules to follow much less be afraid of breaking!
We need an alpha dog as AD who drags JMI in and says:
" our players are getting NIL deals, and they are gonna wear UK gear head to toe if they want too. And you ain't getting in the way. AT ALL. know why? This gets us better talent. And that gets us better teams. And that gets us more fans invested. And that gets more fans buyimg gear, listening to the pre and post-game shows, coaches shows, press conferences - WHERE YOU MAKE YOUR MONEY! Or, you can keep kneecapping us, our talent suffers, our teams suffer, no one buys even a key chain, no one watches or listens to shows, and you lose money on this contract. So, you want to make ALOT of money, or lose ALOT of money? Choice is yours."
This is why we need new vision for this new age of college sports. Mitch is stuck in 20th century mindset, where NCAA is king and you don't even HINT that you are getting near the guardrails. Today is owned by those who have the stones to let others spend. Aint no rules to follow much less be afraid of breaking!
We need an alpha dog as AD who drags JMI in and says:
" our players are getting NIL deals, and they are gonna wear UK gear head to toe if they want too. And you ain't getting in the way. AT ALL. know why? This gets us better talent. And that gets us better teams. And that gets us more fans invested. And that gets more fans buyimg gear, listening to the pre and post-game shows, coaches shows, press conferences - WHERE YOU MAKE YOUR MONEY! Or, you can keep kneecapping us, our talent suffers, our teams suffer, no one buys even a key chain, no one watches or listens to shows, and you lose money on this contract. So, you want to make ALOT of money, or lose ALOT of money? Choice is yours."
That sounds good but then who will pay the coaches' salaries? UK only pays 400k annually for cal and stoops. The rest are paid by companies and boosters as part of captive/exclusive endorsement deals.
Mitch needs to get off his a$$ and get more money on the table for football. Doesn't matter if it's cutting out jmi and ponying up more school money for coaches, finding more boosters for nil, some combination, or something different entirely. Also remove the goofy restriction of nil with alcohol as that should really open more doors. And get off your a$$ and court some of these companies like the other aggressive ads.
On the other side, small companies need to just hire will Levis QB instead of expecting they can get a UK uniform for basically nothing. Someone needs some realistic expectations.
Nil really isn't rocket science. We just have an ad that hates it so he doesn't try, a compliance department and ad that have awful communication, and an ad that's complacent in terms of finding money that's out there for the taking.
