Caps on nil.
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NIL is nothing like I thought it was supposed to be. I thought it was going to be setup so players could get paid to be in a video game, or a 3rd party could pay them to be in a commercial, stuff like that. It seems to me that schools are just out right paying them to come play. Sure, it's technically not the "schools" money, but that's just semantics. The way it's panned out is bullshit and will ruin college athletics unless something changes. Not sure if caps is the answer but the way it is now is whack.
Yeah this is crazy. Guys making more to play in college than NBA
There can't be a cap on NIL unless the players form a union and agree to that in a collective bargaining agreement.
Can't cap NIL. The only way to somewhat put a cap on it would be for the NCAA to have some organization that basically makes the athletes employees. Then there can be an agreement made as to how much they can make. Beyond that, there isn't going to be a cap.
It is going to eventually work itself out. Either there will be laws put in place on stuff like this, where there are agreements, or people will just get tired of giving money to these atheletes with virtually nothing in return.
I do not think the NCAA will ever win in a court of law of putting a cap on NIL. NIL caps do not exist anywhere else.
Exactly. NIL is not salary, even the pro leagues collective bargaining agreements can’t cap NIL they make.
The NIL will work itself out. It’s a bubble now, but it will bust, and find equilibrium.
Collectives members will soon realize that there is not a return on investment.
Collectives members will soon realize that there is not a return on investment.
I agree with this...big time boosters aren't typically rich b/c they make bad investments. If they don't get a perceived return on their investment, the well will dry up. I'm not saying the NIL player's endorsement of their product bringing in revenue to make up for it, but moreso the team improving enough to make the booster want to keep investing.
I'm guessing 3-4 years from now, things will look totally different.
I’m not sure is they fix this mess, but they better fix it if they want it to continue.
For any kind of limits to be able to be enforced, players would have to unionize and do collective bargaining with the NCAA, just like pro players. And even then it would only count for money the school gives them. You can't limit how much money a kid can go make in endorsements and things outside the school, that's the part they go sued for a lost 9-0 in the Supreme Court. Being how new it is, people are just going crazy. It'll balance out more reasonably as time goes, and they'll eventually be legislation on it to even it out more. But that might not come as quickly as we want to see it.
No. The market should dictate player salaries. When Washington pays a dude 2 mil and doesn’t make the tourney, they will learn a hard lesson. That’s capitalism.
In it’s current form, the best and only way to put any sort of “cap” on NIL earnings is for fans/businesses/donors to stop putting much or any money in to these stupid “collectives.” Then schools can tell these players who have dumb dollar figures in mind that the money simply isn’t there to support that, so have fun playing pickup ball during your waiting period until you are eligible for the NBA draft.
Then players will have to get more reasonable with their expectations, or don’t play college ball.
Then players will have to get more reasonable with their expectations, or don’t play college ball.
Unfortunately there won’t be a cap. This is going to get worse, not better. Lawsuits are coming and the NCAA will be out the door. Revenue sharing, college players being employees of the school, etc.. the entire landscape is going to shift again..
Considering the court rulings against the NCAA, I would bet that trying to impose a cap would lead to serious anti-trust suits that the NCAA would surely lose.
I don’t know the answer but probably schools need to follow Boise State then take it one step further. Refuse to pay players then let the chips fall where they may.
I don't agree on a cap but I do believe there should be enforcement that a player returns services in kind for the money they receive.
In other words , a player just can't get money without returning a service as value - that was the intent of NIL.
Now if the NCAA wanted to step in and set caps on what those service values are , that might make sense. Such as a commercial endorsement cannot exceed 250K. Would that stand up in court? probably not
In other words , a player just can't get money without returning a service as value - that was the intent of NIL.
Now if the NCAA wanted to step in and set caps on what those service values are , that might make sense. Such as a commercial endorsement cannot exceed 250K. Would that stand up in court? probably not
Do you all feel your earning potential in your lives should be capped? If not, then why would we cap someone else's?
You cannot cap name, image, likeness. The NCAA will have to get legislation passed to attack the issue, and get these athletes on a payroll. Otherwise, you're just pissing into the wind.
It's very easy: enforce the very limited rules in place. One of the two or three rules was no payment to entice attendance.
That's clearly what's going on. These kids have zero obligations or anything they do to earn this money. So attendance is it.
Enforce the rule.
That's clearly what's going on. These kids have zero obligations or anything they do to earn this money. So attendance is it.
Enforce the rule.
If the NCAA tried to enforce the rules, they would be sued and they would lose.
You can give someone 2 million for one endorsed tweet if that's what you choose to do. Is that a stupid business decision sure but rich donors aren't making business decisions atm.
There are no easy answers that are legal. This thing has to play itself out while we wait for the next steps
players become employees with revenue sharing
legislation from congress
unionization with schools directly paying and a salary cap
Even with those things NIL could still be a work around to give players money beyond the salary cap.
Then put a “limit” on how much money a school can pay a coach and an AD or ANY school employee
Put a “limit” on how much money a school can spend on sports outside of those that actually make the money
Put a “limit” on how much money a school can spend on recruiting kids to attend their school.
This is FREAKIN AMERICA!! Capitalism is the way we work here!! Pay people what they a worth!! If the price is too high, DON’T pay it!! The market sets the value.
These schools, administrators and coaches have made MILLIONS upon MILLIONS with the kids making PEANUTS in return. Why put “limits” on what these kids can make now???!!
Yep. It turned from a great idea in theory into a loophole to just pay dudes.
That's a common opinion but not just a given. I firmly believe they can put in place reasonable limitations on participation. They already do that with limitations on years of eligibility. Otherwise guys could play forever.
Making it improper to promise money in return for commitment is well within the bounds of reasonableness if they had leadership that had either brains or balls.
Yes but it won't last. Rich people got rich by being smart with money and that isn't smart. Public companies can't just do it because of shareholder concerns. Private companies can't deduct collectives from taxes.
Eventually it will level out especially if they strictly enforce the restriction against pay for play.
This deal could be agreed upon as early as next week. Schools giving 22% of annual revenue to players will be a huge hit to universities but it protects them from the courts handing down a much larger number. This is outside of NIL and won't affect how that is distributed.
sports.yahoo.com
'How has court worked out for them?' — With NCAA settlement talks heating up, college leaders brace for multibillion-dollar price tag
Industry leaders describe the next two weeks as, perhaps, the most consequential in college athletics history.
sports.yahoo.com
It's not my money so I don't really care.
But I will say that knowing there are college players out there making hundreds of thousands and >a million dollars really kind of diminishes the appeal of the college game for me. It may well lead to my interest continuing to wane. It may even lead to the eventual death of the sport in all honesty.
But I will say that knowing there are college players out there making hundreds of thousands and >a million dollars really kind of diminishes the appeal of the college game for me. It may well lead to my interest continuing to wane. It may even lead to the eventual death of the sport in all honesty.
This deal could be agreed upon as early as next week. Schools giving 22% of annual revenue to players will be a huge hit to universities but it protects them from the courts handing down a much larger number. This is outside of NIL and won't affect how that is distributed.
'How has court worked out for them?' — With NCAA settlement talks heating up, college leaders brace for multibillion-dollar price tag
Industry leaders describe the next two weeks as, perhaps, the most consequential in college athletics history.
And once this is agreed to get ready for the Title IX lawsuits to start rolling through the courts that demand an even spread of that money even to sports that don't generate any revenue.
This is going to be a gigantic mess.
Yeah the lawyers are quoted in the article saying how this applies to title IX will be settled in the courts. It will most likely be evenly distributed but settling on a number is the most important thing for universities.
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