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Yahtzee!!!

Sweet! Love the big uglies that can move. His HUDL highlights looked pretty good. He and Provitt look to make a good pair of DT's the next few years.
 
I'm sure I'll get blasted for this, and I'm not trying to damper the mood whatsoever, but this latest guys' commitment list looks similar to just about every single one of the players we've had commit so far. His best offer outside of UK is Toledo and Bowling Green. I know Coach Stoops and Marrow are good at identifying early talent, but by this stage in the process a legitimate SEC player (even a legitimate D-1 prospect) should have better offers than just Toledo and Bowling Green.

I just fear that we are continually trying to get our commitment numbers up early as part of a knee jerk reaction to appear to still be a "popular" name among recruits after the monumental collapse that occurred to the recruiting class at the end of last season.

For me, the best way to judge just how good a player is, is to look at his offer sheet, and more and more often these offer sheets are looking eerily similar to players that Joker recruited and the scary thing about that is that I see us making the same excuses and giving the same "reasons" that we gave towards the end of the Joker tenure.."He's a diamond in the rough".."recruiting services don't know what they're talking about"...."Coach is good at identifying talent early that other coaches just aren't smart enough to see".

Again, I'm sure I'll get ripped (which is pretty silly), but these offer sheets HAVE to be much, much better if we expect to actually make noise in the SEC. All we have to do is look back at Coach Stoops first couple recruiting classes to see what those offer sheets should look like with teams like Michigan State, Miami, Ole Miss, South Carolina, etc pursuing our players.

Guys whose best offers (outside of UK) are Bowling Green and Toledo just aren't going to get it done, I'm sorry. Those type of players might be good to pick up here and there, but not when 90% of your recruiting class is filled with MAC-level talent.

Hopefully I'm wrong and these guys will suddenly start picking up tons of Power-5 offers like previous recruiting classes (outside of last season) better than Toledo, Bowling Green, etc..but lets be honest, at this point if a guy doesn't have a single Power-5 offer (like most of our commits) I seriously, seriously doubt they are suddenly going to start pouring in...at this point I believe we need to start worrying more about quality than quantity. It is nice to jump out high in the rankings based on sheer number of commits, but I would rather have quality players that are going to translate to wins in the SEC (as should all of us).



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Agreed. I only watched the first 3:30 of his hudl film and was impressed. Looks like a kid who can play the 3-technique or DE with that good first step. Reminds me of Corey Peters when he was in HS.
 
You're a joke. He is the 34th best player in Ohio which makes him in the top 400 players in high school and he hasn't really been evaluated yet and etc and so-on. Same story everytime with JR. recruits, especially out of Ohio, as stated a hundred times on here over the past couple of years. And proven over and over and over and over again over the years with every single one of these recruits that they all get many more offers and so-on and etc. Geez!!!!!!! When will the idiocy end about the junior recruit offers this early before Summer camps??????
Originally posted by jnewc2:
I'm sure I'll get blasted for this, and I'm not trying to damper the mood whatsoever
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Jcnew, your posts would have a lot more credibility if you didn't defend joker so vigorously for the exact same thing you critize Stoops for. You appear biased.
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Originally posted by jnewc2:
I'm sure I'll get blasted for this, and I'm not trying to damper the mood whatsoever, but this latest guys' commitment list looks similar to just about every single one of the players we've had commit so far. His best offer outside of UK is Toledo and Bowling Green. I know Coach Stoops and Marrow are good at identifying early talent, but by this stage in the process a legitimate SEC player (even a legitimate D-1 prospect) should have better offers than just Toledo and Bowling Green.

I just fear that we are continually trying to get our commitment numbers up early as part of a knee jerk reaction to appear to still be a "popular" name among recruits after the monumental collapse that occurred to the recruiting class at the end of last season.

For me, the best way to judge just how good a player is, is to look at his offer sheet, and more and more often these offer sheets are looking eerily similar to players that Joker recruited and the scary thing about that is that I see us making the same excuses and giving the same "reasons" that we gave towards the end of the Joker tenure.."He's a diamond in the rough".."recruiting services don't know what they're talking about"...."Coach is good at identifying talent early that other coaches just aren't smart enough to see".

Again, I'm sure I'll get ripped (which is pretty silly), but these offer sheets HAVE to be much, much better if we expect to actually make noise in the SEC. All we have to do is look back at Coach Stoops first couple recruiting classes to see what those offer sheets should look like with teams like Michigan State, Miami, Ole Miss, South Carolina, etc pursuing our players.

Guys whose best offers (outside of UK) are Bowling Green and Toledo just aren't going to get it done, I'm sorry. Those type of players might be good to pick up here and there, but not when 90% of your recruiting class is filled with MAC-level talent.

Hopefully I'm wrong and these guys will suddenly start picking up tons of Power-5 offers like previous recruiting classes (outside of last season) better than Toledo, Bowling Green, etc..but lets be honest, at this point if a guy doesn't have a single Power-5 offer (like most of our commits) I seriously, seriously doubt they are suddenly going to start pouring in...at this point I believe we need to start worrying more about quality than quantity. It is nice to jump out high in the rankings based on sheer number of commits, but I would rather have quality players that are going to translate to wins in the SEC (as should all of us).



This post was edited on 3/29 12:22 AM by jnewc2
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you mean like young who only had a couple low level offers before bama and osu offered him and now he's a freakin' stud? you guys are gonna have to start trusting this staff. ohio kids get rated later than southern states (unless they are just phenoms). watch the dang tape on him and then give an opinion. he's big and he's fast. we accepted his commitment in the spring (if we didnt think he could start some day we would of held out accepting a commitment). you only take early commitments if you're pretty sure they are gonna contribute.... FACT!
 
Originally posted by jnewc2:
I'm sure I'll get blasted for this, and I'm not trying to damper the mood whatsoever, but this latest guys' commitment list looks similar to just about every single one of the players we've had commit so far. His best offer outside of UK is Toledo and Bowling Green.



This post was edited on 3/29 12:22 AM by jnewc2
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I read elsewhere that he also had an offer from IL. Of course when folks have an agenda they don't let other data get in their way.
 
If his signature appears on a dotted line on signing day I may say Yahtzee, but not until then. I learned my lesson this year on getting all lathered up a whole year away from signing day, the word commitment doesn't mean a thing these days.

And if he doesn't have any better offers by then, I won't even say Yahtzee then either... Maybe Jinga or Uno.
 
Its March. His offer sheet will likely look much different in November.
 
Originally posted by Rawrrr:
If his signature appears on a dotted line on signing day I may say Yahtzee, but not until then. I learned my lesson this year on getting all lathered up a whole year away from signing day, the word commitment doesn't mean a thing these days.

And if he doesn't have any better offers by then, I won't even say Yahtzee then either... Maybe Jinga or Uno.
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This is why I posted this about your post on the Tubman thread: "Well, I guess someone had to point out the negative. Not surprised it was you."

And yes, while the value of a commitment was devalued last year (due in large part to ending the season on a long losing streak) a commitment does men a great deal, still, doubt if last year repeats for us in either the losing streak or the de-commitments. The 14 class which also had a huge influx of early commitments lost ONE commit.
 
In regards to the 2015 recruits,people in the know say it has more potential than any of Stoops other classes ! It's amazing how posters know more than people that paid to evaluate players for a living! A living that depends on being right more often than not!
 
Originally posted by jauk11:
Originally posted by Rawrrr:
If his signature appears on a dotted line on signing day I may say Yahtzee, but not until then. I learned my lesson this year on getting all lathered up a whole year away from signing day, the word commitment doesn't mean a thing these days.

And if he doesn't have any better offers by then, I won't even say Yahtzee then either... Maybe Jinga or Uno.
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This is why I posted this about your post on the Tubman thread: "Well, I guess someone had to point out the negative. Not surprised it was you."

And yes, while the value of a commitment was devalued last year (due in large part to ending the season on a long losing streak) a commitment does men a great deal, still, doubt if last year repeats for us in either the losing streak or the de-commitments. The 14 class which also had a huge influx of early commitments lost ONE commit.
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I agree, the way last half of the season went did indeed throw a grenade into UK's commitment list. We can only hope 2015 was just an anomaly and 2016 will be like 2014 as far as decommits. 2015 was a bad year for decommits, not just at UK but at a lot of schools, and could be the beginning of a trend, but that remains to be seen. Fingers = crossed!
 
I suggest that you take post by Jcnew2 with a grain of salt. The truth is I seriously doubt that he is even a UK fan.
 
Originally posted by Blue Decade:


Originally posted by zcats:
Its March. His offer sheet will likely look much different in November.
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Agree.

But the offer sheet will definitely be hurt by the early commitments, especially if the commitments seem pretty solid. Surprised that Drake and Young are getting offers from major programs, but even then you aren't going to see a lot of programs risking their programs prestige by having recruits choosing UK over their programs. Bama, OSU, etc don't have to worry about it AND think they are entitled to all the good recruits.
 
The problem with the constant questioning of Stoops and the staff is they really hasn't missed badly on any recruit yet. So until they do I will back their decisions.
 
I remember someone else saying this and I believe it now....Some of the bigger schools start looking at guys AFTER UK offers because they know that this staff knows their stuff....Especially after last year's decommits and flips.
 
Originally posted by maysvilleky:

I remember someone else saying this and I believe it now....Some of the bigger schools start looking at guys AFTER UK offers because they know that this staff knows their stuff....Especially after last year's decommits and flips.
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That's probably a little bit of a stretch. As the recruiting process runs its course and kids that a particular school offers looks like he might be leaning to another school, they put out offers to the next kid on their list. UK does exactly the same thing, after the Harris kid chose another school, UK put out offers to other RBs. As signing day gets closer offers will be flying out the door from all schools as guys they are after start committing to other schools.
 
Originally posted by Poetax:
The problem with the constant questioning of Stoops and the staff is they really hasn't missed badly on any recruit yet. So until they do I will back their decisions.
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+1
 
Originally posted by Grumpyolddawg:

Originally posted by maysvilleky:

I remember someone else saying this and I believe it now....Some of the bigger schools start looking at guys AFTER UK offers because they know that this staff knows their stuff....Especially after last year's decommits and flips.
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That's probably a little bit of a stretch. As the recruiting process runs its course and kids that a particular school offers looks like he might be leaning to another school, they put out offers to the next kid on their list. UK does exactly the same thing, after the Harris kid chose another school, UK put out offers to other RBs. As signing day gets closer offers will be flying out the door from all schools as guys they are after start committing to other schools.
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Then again, you're a grumpy old dog.....

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Originally posted by hmt5000:


Originally posted by DhuffUK:
Borden was a miss
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gonna bring up a guy in the first class that the staff had 2 weeks to find a TE?
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You don't hit on all of them.

Not sure what the problem with Borden was, big enough, supposedly the third fastest on the team per the GPS clocking (no idea how that works), and had a good name, made a couple of nice catches but I guess he just dropped the ball too much.
 
Originally posted by Gary4UK:
Originally posted by Grumpyolddawg:

Originally posted by maysvilleky:

I remember someone else saying this and I believe it now....Some of the bigger schools start looking at guys AFTER UK offers because they know that this staff knows their stuff....Especially after last year's decommits and flips.
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That's probably a little bit of a stretch. As the recruiting process runs its course and kids that a particular school offers looks like he might be leaning to another school, they put out offers to the next kid on their list. UK does exactly the same thing, after the Harris kid chose another school, UK put out offers to other RBs. As signing day gets closer offers will be flying out the door from all schools as guys they are after start committing to other schools.
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Then again, you're a grumpy old dog.....

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I got more hair that that old dog, unfortunately the rest pretty much fits.
 
Originally posted by jnewc2:
I'm sure I'll get blasted for this, and I'm not trying to damper the mood whatsoever, but this latest guys' commitment list looks similar to just about every single one of the players we've had commit so far. His best offer outside of UK is Toledo and Bowling Green. I know Coach Stoops and Marrow are good at identifying early talent, but by this stage in the process a legitimate SEC player (even a legitimate D-1 prospect) should have better offers than just Toledo and Bowling Green.

I just fear that we are continually trying to get our commitment numbers up early as part of a knee jerk reaction to appear to still be a "popular" name among recruits after the monumental collapse that occurred to the recruiting class at the end of last season.

For me, the best way to judge just how good a player is, is to look at his offer sheet, and more and more often these offer sheets are looking eerily similar to players that Joker recruited and the scary thing about that is that I see us making the same excuses and giving the same "reasons" that we gave towards the end of the Joker tenure.."He's a diamond in the rough".."recruiting services don't know what they're talking about"...."Coach is good at identifying talent early that other coaches just aren't smart enough to see".

Again, I'm sure I'll get ripped (which is pretty silly), but these offer sheets HAVE to be much, much better if we expect to actually make noise in the SEC. All we have to do is look back at Coach Stoops first couple recruiting classes to see what those offer sheets should look like with teams like Michigan State, Miami, Ole Miss, South Carolina, etc pursuing our players.

Guys whose best offers (outside of UK) are Bowling Green and Toledo just aren't going to get it done, I'm sorry. Those type of players might be good to pick up here and there, but not when 90% of your recruiting class is filled with MAC-level talent.

Hopefully I'm wrong and these guys will suddenly start picking up tons of Power-5 offers like previous recruiting classes (outside of last season) better than Toledo, Bowling Green, etc..but lets be honest, at this point if a guy doesn't have a single Power-5 offer (like most of our commits) I seriously, seriously doubt they are suddenly going to start pouring in...at this point I believe we need to start worrying more about quality than quantity. It is nice to jump out high in the rankings based on sheer number of commits, but I would rather have quality players that are going to translate to wins in the SEC (as should all of us).





This post was edited on 3/29 12:22 AM by jnewc2




Landon Young didn't have any offers before UK offered now he has offers from Alabama and OSU among others. Davonte Robinson didn't have any offers before UK offered now he has a Notre Dame offer and camp invite to OSU. Stoops and company continue to show they are WAY out in front of evaluating talent.
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Bama hands out only a handful of committable offers, their offers outside the top 100 kids are offers to attend their camp and try to earn that commitable offer, Meyer did the same thing at UF and sounds like he is doing it at tOSU. They are and have recruited at such a high level since Saban got there they can do that. But when you have the success they are having you can do that and afford to get in on a kid after some others have offered.

UK's recruiting has improved leaps and bounds, Stoops brought a bigtime name to the campus, he generated a lot of excitement and he got the attention of kids. He is a good recruiter, he is a good coach, but don't think every coach in the SEC can't look at tape, watch camp performances and determine if a kid can play at a high level.

At this point, the best in the conference in identifying talent has to be Missouri, they have seldom been in the top 40 in recruiting rankings but their system and player development combined with the results they have gotten is second to none. But I think UK is following that pattern, like Missouri, UK is redshirting a large number of their class, much more than the schools who rank top 10 or so in recruiting rankings. It will pay off, but coaches and fans have to stay patient because it takes 4-5 years to get full benefits from redshirts, not 2-3. Stoops is trying to build a program, not a team and like I said he, at least to me, if following Missouri's pattern.
 
Originally posted by jnewc2:

Hopefully I'm wrong and these guys will suddenly start picking up tons of Power-5 offers like previous recruiting classes (outside of last season) better than Toledo, Bowling Green, etc..but lets be honest, at this point if a guy doesn't have a single Power-5 offer (like most of our commits) I seriously, seriously doubt they are suddenly going to start pouring in...at this point I believe we need to start worrying more about quality than quantity. It is nice to jump out high in the rankings based on sheer number of commits, but I would rather have quality players that are going to translate to wins in the SEC (as should all of us).




This post was edited on 3/29 12:22 AM by jnewc2
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Totally false. Do some research.

Most of our commits have multiple P5 offers - and this is before they have finished their Jr year of High School.

The credibility you may have had took a major hit with that post...wow
 
Originally posted by jnewc2:
I'm sure I'll get blasted for this, and I'm not trying to damper the mood whatsoever, but this latest guys' commitment list looks similar to just about every single one of the players we've had commit so far. His best offer outside of UK is Toledo and Bowling Green. I know Coach Stoops and Marrow are good at identifying early talent, but by this stage in the process a legitimate SEC player (even a legitimate D-1 prospect) should have better offers than just Toledo and Bowling Green.

I just fear that we are continually trying to get our commitment numbers up early as part of a knee jerk reaction to appear to still be a "popular" name among recruits after the monumental collapse that occurred to the recruiting class at the end of last season.

For me, the best way to judge just how good a player is, is to look at his offer sheet, and more and more often these offer sheets are looking eerily similar to players that Joker recruited and the scary thing about that is that I see us making the same excuses and giving the same "reasons" that we gave towards the end of the Joker tenure.."He's a diamond in the rough".."recruiting services don't know what they're talking about"...."Coach is good at identifying talent early that other coaches just aren't smart enough to see".

Again, I'm sure I'll get ripped (which is pretty silly), but these offer sheets HAVE to be much, much better if we expect to actually make noise in the SEC. All we have to do is look back at Coach Stoops first couple recruiting classes to see what those offer sheets should look like with teams like Michigan State, Miami, Ole Miss, South Carolina, etc pursuing our players.

Guys whose best offers (outside of UK) are Bowling Green and Toledo just aren't going to get it done, I'm sorry. Those type of players might be good to pick up here and there, but not when 90% of your recruiting class is filled with MAC-level talent.

Hopefully I'm wrong and these guys will suddenly start picking up tons of Power-5 offers like previous recruiting classes (outside of last season) better than Toledo, Bowling Green, etc..but lets be honest, at this point if a guy doesn't have a single Power-5 offer (like most of our commits) I seriously, seriously doubt they are suddenly going to start pouring in...at this point I believe we need to start worrying more about quality than quantity. It is nice to jump out high in the rankings based on sheer number of commits, but I would rather have quality players that are going to translate to wins in the SEC (as should all of us).



This post was edited on 3/29 12:22 AM by jnewc2
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You mean like the UK recruit that just received an offer from ND?
 
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