The early results:
- Absolutely Yes
6.9%
Absolutely No
39.4%
Only With John Calipari
1.5%
Only With Mark Stoops
52.1%
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Wow, Oscar Combs Tweet Poll Leaves No Doubt . . . .
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The early results:
10:38 AM · Dec 19, 2022
The timing of this helps Stoops, a bit. Take this vote mid-season and his numbers might be lower. But, come recruiting season and the rehire of Coen, his stock is back up. Plus, he did not start on third base.
The 8.4% among us scare the crap outta me.
4 and 17 in your last 21 ranked games is going to really hurt your public opinion. You can't play 21 ranked teams and lose 17 times.
Tubby amd Joe B wouldn't have got away with that for nothing . No way.
His recruiting is what keeps him here. That's all he has left.
They pretty much.l, the rest of the coaches in the country, have figured out how to stop John Calipari coached teams. Without John robic he's not able to overcome.
Tubby amd Joe B wouldn't have got away with that for nothing . No way.
His recruiting is what keeps him here. That's all he has left.
They pretty much.l, the rest of the coaches in the country, have figured out how to stop John Calipari coached teams. Without John robic he's not able to overcome.
But the AD was smart enough to not give either of them a lifetime contract with a 60 million dollar buyout.
That will wake a UK fan up. These 8.4% are toxic without pride in the program.
Absolutely no is at 44% now - which I agree with. Neither coach is worth $9M a year.
You're gonna have to accept some realities with Stoops. He has made UK respectable almost every year and very good some years.
That was always thought to be impossible at UK. On top of that, once he's done the impossible he has stayed instead of chasing more prestige. That isn't normal either.
You arent getting either of those things paying much less.
It just tickles me to think of how pissed Cal must be to be getting paid less than the football coach at a "basketball school."
The football coach should always make more than the basketball coach (if you look at the whole entity) especially in the SEC. Now if we can pay assistants including a new ST coach.
The “lifetime contract” is the sore thumb and I don’t blame the fans for being sore about it.
The “lifetime contract” is the sore thumb and I don’t blame the fans for being sore about it.
Keep in mind I'm a total outsider on this. But guessing my perception is what the majority of outsiders to Kentucky feel:
In football you definitely have a ceiling. My view is Stoops has done a great job getting just about to the top of that ceiling.
In basketball, UK is as blue blood as blue blood can get-- and basketball crazed. Seems National Championships should be almost an annual mission and realistic goal. Certainly a Final Four appearance should be something you get to at least every few years minimum. With that said, seems as if Calipari maybe has already peaked and what you've seen the last several seasons now is likely big disappointment.
I see Kentucky basketball as I do Iowa wrestling. There SHOULD BE an expectation of elite and championships in a "fairly" common occurrence. Again, just an outsider's take.
the biggest difference is the level of expectations. If mark stoops had the number 1 recruiting class most years then his expectations would be higher as well. Cal is currently a victim of his own success. Stoops is right where everybody expects him to be. Be competitive, win 10 on occasion and be bowl eligible.
Stoops is a good defensive coach, an excellent recruiter, and bonds with his players. However, he is horrible at focusing on anything but D, bad at in game adjustments, mediocre with having his team consistently ready to play, and has had more support, money, and resources than any coach in UK history.... by far.
We can do better with $9M.
-there is no "ceiling" for UK football. Noone is a "power" in any particular sport until they are...easy examples: Florida was nothing til they got Spurrier, Duke had a flash of success in the 60's...but were not "Duke" til K arrived.
^the past means nothing...and more so as the revenue spreads out.
^the past means nothing...and more so as the revenue spreads out.
If both coaches could some how find a way to live on $4million dollars a year - our NIL problem would be solved! Personally I could live very well on just the interest from that $4 million a year.
Go Big Blue!
99% of coaches at UK who would do better than Stoops would leave for an elite program. I think that is nearly undeniable. However, I still question any coach being able to out perform Stoops here. It is difficult to recruit here, it is difficult to hold onto players today and lets face it, in normal times, UF, UGA and UT are simply going to be ahead of us which means another coach probably wouldn't be able to do much if any better.
I agree with this. Stoops has overachieved during his time here. He has earned every penny, IMO. Will he be able to win the east or go higher than he has so far? It's debatable, but I'll always appreciate what he has done here.
Respectfully, I’m not buying that. There’s no guarantee. Why even try if that’s the case?
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While I agree that a majority of coaches would have left, that is actually an indictment on what other ADs think about him. They're not willing to overpay or aggressively pursue him because he's not special. He fell ass backwards into a great situation and, to his credit, has capitalized on that.
But he's not worth anywhere close to 9 million dollars/yr.
The whole reason people think UK can hire a better coach to possibly win the East is because of the accomplishments of Stoops and his Staff. It isn't even a conversation 10 years ago. I can't believe people would turn around and run the guy off hoping for better results. Are you all really wired that way? Or is just your message board personality?
Again, outsider here, but I do think Stoops has done very special things in Lexington considering the history there and the challenges faced. And I'm not biased because he's an Iowa grad. He truly has made the program more than respectable-- they are highly competitive and do win too.
That's why I like you BlueGA. No offense taken, its not personal. We can just agree to disagree.
You're a good one.
Nice to see 2 posters come together here. Disagreements are the norm here; it shouldn't be personal.
I think it's an easy low hanging fruit thing to complain about more than they are actually over paid. Not saying it's not a valid argument, because if you get paid the best, you should be the best. I just don't think it's a huge issue. But, they got what they got, neither started out at this level, they earned it. They are both highly profitable as assets to the University in ticket revenue and TV deals and merchandise. I know we don't buy Stoops jersey, but the improvement he's brought to the program has made way more money than we've raised his pay. Cal probably less because we were already KY in Basketball. Neither salary is burden on the program. And it shows people outside the program that when we go to hire the next coach, we're willing/able to pay as much as anyone in the country. Makes our job more desirable.
Stoops is still hungry. Cal is full as a damn tick.
That being said, neither deserve 9 million dollars.
That being said, neither deserve 9 million dollars.
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