They will play more games this season than guards in the past, Also there was no 3 pointer until '87 right? Also no freshman playing for years and years. None of those stats you mentioned should be used in any GOAT discussion, and this has been pointed out to you by several people over multiple threads, yet you choose to ignore them. Seriously dude is there something wrong in your world with comparing apples to apples?
The answer is because Wall and Bledsoe played on the same team. If Murray and Ulis don't win a championship. Then it will remain wall and Bledsoe. And both are currently all star level NBA players (Bledsoe would've made it had he not got injured).
Yeah, but at the same time, those good front courts didn't need assists. You could throw it to Boogie or Kenny and let them create their own shot. They knew how to back it down and muscle it up. You throw it to Marcus Lee, he throws it right back if it's not an alley oop. Ulis is going to get an assist or points every time down the court just based on need.
Okay but if you "throw it down to Boogie or Kenny" and they create and score that is still an assist right? Someone has to get them the ball.
No. An assist leads directly to a basket. Someone cutting for a layup or a wide open three. If you throw it to a big man, he dribbles, pump fakes, and scores, there's no assist.
Yep, posted that yesterday. If we go to the NC game he has a chance to sniff 300. Look at the career list, he will almost certainly end his career in the top 10, in 2 years. Unbelievable. Your link is to points though.
That and Ulis doesnt turn it over near as much as Wall did and Ulis can actually hit a jump shot.
Yeah but give Wall a sophomore year and I guarantee his numbers would be insane. Just look how insane his rookie year stats were and imagine where they would be playing against college players. You're kinda shortchanging Knight as well. Imagine his stats with a sophomore year. Both of those guys were clutch as hell too. I'm not trying to diminish how incredible Ulis has been either, but just trying to show some perspective.
Dude I love Ulis, but you're trying to diminish a top 3 point guard in the NBA. It seems many are forgetting how incredible Wall was here, and how incredible he is now. Again, give Wall a sophomore year at UK and his numbers would've been insane. He broke the assist record as a freshman and probably would have shattered that record in a sophomore year. Also, dude was clutch as hell. Again, just look at his rookie year numbers on an absolutely dreadful team. I mean you want to diminish his shooting when I can clearly point out that Ulis can't finish close to the rim while Wall was a killer in that regard.
Wall is and forever will be the better pro player between him and Ulis. Wall is one of the top players in the NBA. But as good and dynamic as Wall was at UK, I think it can be argued Ulis is having a better season this year than Wall did his freshman year. That is no slight on Wall- it just speaks to how good Ulis is this year.
No scolding, just pointing out that the stats you use are inadequate in determining greatest of all-time basketball players. You addressed only the second part of my post because you felt offended, but what about the first part ? All of your stats are based on a different era than the majority of all-time UK players played in. Hell I didn't even mention that assists were never an official stat until the 80's.
Spurs late first because they're geniuses at that kind of thing. I wish the Lakers would early second (doubt Ulis lasts that long he will be first rounder in weak draft class). Wish the lakers would take them with there top 3 pick to be honest because he'll bring LA back if they indeed get him. Unlikely because of Russell being picked, unless they wanted to trade him and get Ulis. Dreams. Dreams. But yes Ulis is going to bring an NBA team to the top especially if it's the right fit, especially if he's surrounded with a talented front court. Imagine him on the Spurs, he'd be there next Tony Parker. Or a team like the Pelicans. Ulis to Davis would be unreal. He's going to be an NBA star. Rockets would probably be best for for him if it were today's rockets roster in the offseason (Howard will be gone).
