willis bogus 5th cost us the game
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I wouldn't say that. It was a tough environment. One that nobody will have in the NCAA Tournament. It was a bad call, but there were some bad ones all night.
This game DOES NOT break our season.
This game DOES NOT break our season.
The thing is, the refs were corrupt as corrupt gets. Those should be drawn and quartered.
I assume you are joking. Derek Willis played 23 minutes yesterday. He was 2-5 from the floor, 1-4 from 3. He took some really bad shots. He had 5 rebounds, no blocks, no assists. Willis was physically overmatched in this game. Kansas deliberately took the game to him, and that's why he fouled out. Willis has become an effort player, filling a role that no 1 else has stepped up to fill, and I respect that. But some fans still vastly overrate his talent level. Watch what happens to his playing time next year.
Blue Decade,
You bash Willis' rebounding...but have you watched Skal and Lee rebound? At least WIllis had as many rebounds as fouls.
Last 5 games?
Lee = 18 fouls, 17 rebounds
SKal = 15 fouls, 5 rebounds
You bash Willis' rebounding...but have you watched Skal and Lee rebound? At least WIllis had as many rebounds as fouls.
Last 5 games?
Lee = 18 fouls, 17 rebounds
SKal = 15 fouls, 5 rebounds
Just because all of the bad calls were on the same team does not mean, errrr, uh, wait a minute.
You actually think Willis having as many rebounds as fouls is a compliment? LOL! Your posts are ridicuolus. I have never bashed any Kentucky player, and I have never defended Labissiere or Lee. Willis is what he is, a role player forced to play too many minutes because our other bigs aren't getting the job done. Willis has worked hard to make himself a better rebounder. I respect that, but he isn't exactly Terrance Jones. Out of the 5 games we have lost so far, 4 of those were lost because our bigs were ineffective and we got our butts whipped on the glass. Willis was ineffective last night. He took bad shots, and Coach Self quickly recognized he was a defensive liability. I'm not bashing him. Anyone who actually understands what they are watching could see it. Our baseline is a liability. Watch what happens with Willis' playing time next year.
Self's halftime talk with the ref's was the key to the game.
Cal and Self don't agree with you.........revisit the post game comments made by both coaches.
Willis's presences enhances the offense.
As soon as he fouled out our chances of winning drastically dropped. And I love how you was ready to pounce on Willis. Undoubtedly people are hoping he fails just to say see he should not play.
I was ready to pounce on Willis, huh? Your comment is ridiculous. I described what happened last night. We got beat because our baseline was dominated. We were outrebounded 42-31. Have you figured out yet why 4 Kentucky bigs fouled out? Or are you blaming that on the refs? LOL!
I agree, even Self said Willis fouling out allowed them to switch to triangle defense. Briscoes man helped keep Ulis out of the lane and they face guarded Murray. We had no one else to stretch the floor. If Willis was on the game it keeps them from packing it in. I will say the refs were horrible the first four fouls on Willis were legit, he got caught in some bad switches but the over the back was a joke considering Ellis did worse all night.
Quite possibly true because it took another shooter off the floor. But people like Blue think Willis is some scrub who is playing because we have no other choice, when he's playing because he's earned it with hard work and making plays that others aren't.
What I thought lost us the game was the sequence where Kansas got 3 or 4 opportunities to make a shot. That's also when I saw Tyler get a 2 handed rebounded, get mugged with no call and Kansas makes a shot. If Tyler gets a little respect in this game from the refs we win. Simple as that.
What I thought lost us the game was the sequence where Kansas got 3 or 4 opportunities to make a shot. That's also when I saw Tyler get a 2 handed rebounded, get mugged with no call and Kansas makes a shot. If Tyler gets a little respect in this game from the refs we win. Simple as that.
Don't be a jerk. Show me where I said Willis is a scrub. I didn't. Scrub is your word, so man up. I support all of our players, but I am not delusional. My comments have been clear and consistent. Willis is a role player being forced to play too many minutes. That means Willis beat Lee and Labissiere for playing time in practice, which is a compliment to Willis' work and improvement. What you evidently don't understand is that Willis can be the 2nd best forward on our team and, at the same time, still be a limited player. With or without Willis, I don't see the kind of baseline production we would need to become an EE team. This isn't Willis' fault, and it isn't Labissiere's fault either. They are just physically limited players at this point in their careers. Anyone who actually understands what they are watching can see that.
Losing Willis was a key in why KU won. both coaches mentioned it. Even if he wasnt scoring he made KU play him on D. when he went out it changed the entire way KU was able to defend. You saw what it looks like when we only have two potential outside threats in the game and the other team can pack the lane. It = Loss. It is not his individual greatness that helps this team but the way he stretches the defense and keeps driving lanes open for the guards by pulling a big man out of the middle to guard him. If you cant see that your blind or have a very low basketball IQ
Are you illiterate? No where in my post did i blame the refs or say that we didn't foul. We were still up despite being outrebounded but we couldn't score after Willis fouled out an KU went to the triangle and 2 on on our only two outside threats and packed the lane with the other three.
Reading comprehension is a useful skill my friend. you might need to work on it a bit.
Willis,s fifth foul was one of the very few calls the refs got right. he was blocked out and made contact over the back. No problem there.. What I didn't like was how many times Selden and Mason and Graham pushed off with their left hand to create space to get a shot. I was counting and it was in double digits so I gave up. It was never called. They call it in the nba but won't call it in college. Pitiful.
I will say this. I think Pat Adams is the worst college official right now. Every time he takes the floor in one of our games I cringe.
I will say this. I think Pat Adams is the worst college official right now. Every time he takes the floor in one of our games I cringe.
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Easy there, tiger. Easy.
LOL... I wasn't talking to you. Was that your quote? Did you not pick up on that?
Easy there, tiger. Easy.
That last foul call on Willis was brutally bad. It was two players going for a long rebound, and I'm not even sure that Willis made contact with the Kansas player. Still, Willis needs to do a better job not fouling on defense to avoid putting himself in that precarious position.
Willis fouling out isn't the reason we lost..it hurt but it's not the reason. He is still option 4 or 5...and poythress and even Briscoe are better rebounder and defenders.
I don't get people's unreal obsession with this kid...I cheer for our team...it's obvious others dont.
"willis bogus 5th cost us the game" - I somewhat agree. I wouldn't say it totally cost UK the game and was the main difference between winning or losing, but it did hurt UK, and limit them offensively. Even though Willis wasn't lighting it up, the KU defense still had to account for him, and they were more comfortable playing zone since he wasn't in the game.
"Lost our best rebounder" - I disagree. He may be a better rebounder than Skal, and maybe Lee, but he is not the best rebounder on the team.
"Lost our best rebounder" - I disagree. He may be a better rebounder than Skal, and maybe Lee, but he is not the best rebounder on the team.
I'm OK with the Willis call if that's how the game has been called. Ellis did the same thing a couple of times in the 2nd half and they played on. I personally didn't think it was a very good block out by Ellis and that's usually not a call you get without the player behind climbing over the back to tip it. Ive not complained about whistle in any of the five losses, but to me last night was two totally different halves and two different type of whistles on each end during the 2nd half.
Willis last foul was legit, as were most of his other 4. Willis was making a great effort to play up on his guy and stay in front of him. I applaud his effort and he sure as heck isn't the first guy to get in foul trouble trying to make that adjustment. Also, Willis was a bit of a victim of his own success. He drew Kansas attention. They shut him down, which allowed Poythress to go off.
We've gone from playing 3 on 5 to 4 on 5.
We've gone from playing 3 on 5 to 4 on 5.
Ha Ha no I didn't pick up on it. Maybe I should have said reply click placement is a useful skill then.
Unless you were a college athlete, my basketball IQ is probably higher than yours. But there is another possibility - you could be wrong. What amazes me is, nobody seems to understand we lost this game because we were outrebounded 42-31, and our interior defense was poor in the 2nd half. You didn't have to be John Calipari to see that.
I was a high level division 1 college athlete. So I guess that makes me an expert in this discussion. Willis fouling out out was without question a vital reason Kansas won. It changed their entire defensive scheme and shut down the UK offense. As far as rebounding, we were 1 rebound away from the win. Willis would have given us a better chance. So now that you've heard from a college athlete, this debate should be settled....
Vital reason? Yes. Only reason like some are trying to make it out to be? No.
UK still has a damn good chance to win that game with Willis fouling out. UK was one stop away from winning, and then one shot away from winning all in the final 26 seconds.
Could Willis have made a difference in those two final possessions? Of course, possibly, who knows. But him fouling out didn't cost UK the game, in a sense that they couldn't have won without him.
5th foul wasn't bogus..he was blocked out, & reached over the guy for the ball. If the roles were reversed, Cat fans would blow a gasket if the refs wouldn't have called a foul. Willis's 4th foul was the bogus foul, the touch "blocking" call. That's the one to be bitching about.
You was talking about the guy guarding Selden Jr correct? Must have been a typo.
What about in the 10 or so minutes he could've played if he weren't in foul trouble?
With Willis on the court, they can't play a that triangle and two defense without risking perimeter shots from an outstanding catch and shoot jump shooter. They were giving wide open jump shots from 15' and out to anybody not named Murray and Ulis.
rebounding is a big key.........but so is Willis' threat to score from the 3. that draws the defense out to him & creates lanes for Ulis. Lee & Poy in the game allows the defense to sag off of them & clog the lane. Plus, if Willis is fouled, he is likely to hit a free throw......again more threat to score than Lee or Poy. If you don't realize that, then maybe you don't know the game as well as you claim.
I get that, and I completely agree. With Willis in the game the offense was much smoother, and it also made Self aware/cautious enough to not want to zone.
I'm just pointing out that UK still had chances to win that game even with Willis out. Was Willis being out a blow to UK and a factor in the loss? 100% without a doubt, but some are acting as if as soon as Willis fouled out, then UK had no chance in hell to win, which is absolutely false.
If UK, up one with 26 seconds left gets a stop, they win. If UK, tied with nine seconds left gets a basket, they win. Both of those things could have easily happened with Willis being fouled out. The breaks just didn't fall UK's way.
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