Will Cal bring Pastner in. He is done at UM

[whhs22]

I understood bringing Barb back. I think he played for Cal, i know he has coached under Cal from the beginning of his coaching career.

Pastner was only with Cal 1 year. Pastner got the rep as some type of wiz kid and parlayed it into 15 million dollars. And when i say 15 its probably more.

Pastner has been at UM for 7 years and has made 2.6 million a year for the last 2 years i believe. Just seen at the end of the year UM will owe him 10 million. Just crazy money for a really bad coach. But gotta give the guy credit. Hell i wish i could win the lottery to.

Pastner needs to give a % to Cal. Looking back Pastner got paid off the foundation Cal built. UM brass was to stupid to see after year 3 Pastner was destroying it brick by brick and bounce him and hire Pearl.

Back to the question. No i think Cal takes a pass on the kid. Unless we just do a swap with Barb going to UM and Pastner coming here lol. Wow the UM fans would eat that up. They want to be associated with UK, and the only way is when we throw them some love to try to make them relevant again.

Thats one bridge i hope Cal keeps burned. UM fans have treated him terribly. Sad thing is Cal could of helped UM like he does Umass and promote them. Instead they embarrassed him , and refused to even honor his hof induction. Alot of ifs and buts here.

 

[AnarchoNeoLuddite]

Seems too young to be a assitatn coach, some school will take him still.

 

[St.PatterSoN-54-]

some fallen bridges just don't need to be rebuilt

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

I don't want him. He'd leave for another job anyway, because someone will be desperate enough to hire him and hope he lands a couple top 50 recruits.

Plus, I think the strength Pastner brings - recruiting - become redundant the second he'd join UK. The current staff has added Murray, Skal, Briscoe, Bam, Monk, Fox, Gabriel, Matthews, SKJ, Tai, Humphries, and Mulder.

I'm not sure it can get much better from a recruiting angle.

 

[stenchymouse]

I don't want him. He'd leave for another job anyway, because someone will be desperate enough to hire him and hope he lands a couple top 50 recruits.

Plus, I think the strength Pastner brings - recruiting - become redundant the second he'd join UK. The current staff has added Murray, Skal, Briscoe, Bam, Monk, Fox, Gabriel, Matthews, SKJ, Tai, Humphries, and Mulder.

I'm not sure it can get much better from a recruiting angle.

The next job he took (and he WOULD leave), he'd try to steal UK recruits to take with him.

Cal don't need to help him out.

Let him find his OWN way!!

 

[bnewt]

Wonder if Cal would bring Orlando back if he is fired?

 

[Dirk2Bowie]

Wonder if Cal would bring Orlando back if he is fired?

Hope so. I really like that guy. Even if he wasnt a good coach he's still a great guy to have around because of his outlook and demeanor.

 

[ukfan79]

Wonder if Cal would bring Orlando back if he is fired?

He definitely would do that if he had the spot open.

Coach O has a few more years to get that ship righted down there at USF though and I hope he does.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

He'd bring him back if he needed a job, Cal takes care of his guys.

My guess is Arizona might look to scoop him up, or another high profile D1 program. He needs a bit more grooming but he'll get another chance at head coaching job soon.

 

[Tampa_cat54]

Wonder if Cal would bring Orlando back if he is fired?

He's only in his 2nd year at USF...give him some time

 

[whhs22]

W.Hiensenberg not sure Zona would bring Pastner in as a HC. Miller may bring him back as an asst. But i could see Miller looking the other way to, Pastner is a Olsen guy not Miller guy.

Pastner needs to go Mid West. Why anyone at Memphis would think a Jewish goody two shoes white man who punishes players for using foul language could get inner city young black men who literally have been brought up in a different world, play for him.

Pastner at first recruited well, that was not the issue. Pastner could not relate with the kids from Memphis. They laughed at him. Go to any AAU game in Memphis, the language and attitude used to coach these young men would shock some people. But this is their environment this is how communication and motivation work here. So bringing in Pastner who refuses to even swear or allow his players too just did not work with these young men. They looked at him as weak and goofy. Just the truth. These young men need a strong male figure who will put them in their place with out fear. Pastner wanted to talk it over or just use his power to sit them or kick them off the team. Instead of pushing them and standing up to them he quit on them. These young men noticed that early and just did not respect him.

 

[JohnnyinShelbyville]

He's Jewish?

I thought he was Morman.

 

[W2R]

He has lost most of his cred with recruiting and with players in general. Look at all the transfers. He couldn't even keep Austin Nichols on the team

He was with Cal one year. I highly doubt Cal would want him to come to UK unless we lose Payne and barbee. I see pastner taking a job at a smaller school out west or something.

 

[Skutt]

He'd bring him back if he needed a job, Cal takes care of his guys.

My guess is Arizona might look to scoop him up, or another high profile D1 program. He needs a bit more grooming but he'll get another chance at head coaching job soon.

Lol.

No, they wouldn't. You must not understand that history or the position Arizona is in. Pastner would be terrible at Arizona, and I know no AZ fan who would want him.

As for the thread, pastner has failed, and failed miserably as a head coach. His recruiting has tanked, players hate playing for him, he garners little respect as a HC, and has trouble drawing up even the simplest of sets, plays, and fails to defend his home court against winless AAC teams. The Memphis fan base wanted him gone 3 years ago.

UK doesn't want, need, or have room for Josh Pastner. Would cal bring him in? Maybe. Like the above poster stated, cal protects his guys. But, his guys have never negatively recruited against him either(will Barton) Not to mention, Pastner isn't Cals guy. Pastner is lute Olsons guy.

He won't coach here because some small D1 school out west will give him a shot where he'll fail again. He's a recruiting coordinator that has trouble with most aspects of being a HC. kids today just don't identify with him.

I want him nowhere near UK unless cal thinks UK and himself will re-establish the recruiting mojo he had. I just don't think so. Recruits are gun shy by of him.

Here in Memphis, I watched him tank a top 15 program of the 2,000's, lose a top 10 attendance fan base, and has created complete apathy at a basketball school. As a head coach, he's as bad as it gets really. Let's not even discuss team turmoil and transfers. As an assistant, I think he's ruined himself, but could be wrong.

 

[Skutt]

He has lost most of his cred with recruiting and with players in general. Look at all the transfers. He couldn't even keep Austin Nichols on the team

He was with Cal one year. I highly doubt Cal would want him to come to UK unless we lose Payne and barbee. I see pastner taking a job at a smaller school out west or something.

Everyone from around Memphis understands the situation and always says the same thing. People that don't keep up with the Memphis program never fully seem to understand it.

Btw, I'm sending that out to ya sometime this week. Look for it hope ya like it.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Lol.

No, they wouldn't. You must not understand that history or the position Arizona is in. Pastner would be terrible at Arizona, and I know no AZ fan who would want him.

As for the thread, pastner has failed, and failed miserably as a head coach. His recruiting has tanked, players hate playing for him, he garners little respect as a HC, and has trouble drawing up even the simplest of sets, plays, and fails to defend his home court against winless AAC teams. The Memphis fan base wanted him gone 3 years ago.

UK doesn't want, need, or have room for Josh Pastner. Would cal bring him in? Maybe. Like the above poster stated, cal protects his guys. But, his guys have never negatively recruited against him either(will Barton) Not to mention, Pastner isn't Cals guy. Pastner is lute Olsons guy.

He won't coach here because some small D1 school out west will give him a shot where he'll fail again. He's a recruiting coordinator that has trouble with most aspects of being a HC. kids today just don't identify with him.

I want him nowhere near UK unless cal thinks UK and himself will re-establish the recruiting mojo he had. I just don't think so. Recruits are gun shy by of him.

Here in Memphis, I watched him tank a top 15 program of the 2,000's, lose a top 10 attendance fan base, and has created complete apathy at a basketball school. As a head coach, he's as bad as it gets really. Let's not even discuss team turmoil and transfers. As an assistant, I think he's ruined himself, but could be wrong.

I watched BCG tank a top 3 program and he quickly found an AC job and eventual HC jobs.

Memphis was a top 15 program of 2000's because of Cal, no one was stepping in to keep up with that standard. Especially after all of the conference realignments.

 

[mebeblue2]

if Pastner is available at the end of the year and Barbee moves on to another head coaching position, I think there's a very good chance Cal hires him back at UK. He was on staff at Memphis when Cal took the UK job and was supposed to follow Cal to UK but Memphis hired him. Cal told him that if he decided to take the UK assistant job instead of the head Memphis job that Cal would just fire him because he couldn't pass up that chance.

Guy's a very good recruiter. Not that Cal needs the help necessarily, but UK wouldn't skip a beat. Coming up at Arizona and at Memphis he was regarded as one of the best recruiting assistants in the nation the same as Antigua was.

i am not so sure about that
remember he stated to a recruit "it is a Cal problem not a Memphis problem"
he more or less put all of the blame from the Rose situation on Cal

 

[TankedCat]

listening to the post game show a few days back after Memphis played UC and Mick Cronin was saying that Memphis was like 340 out of 345 Schools in shooting percentage? I think I heard that correctly.

If Cal wanted Pastner at one time, I'm not sure why he wouldn't want him again (just don't let him coach!)

Pelphrey went back to Donovan didn't he?

 

[whhs22]

W.Heisenberg it is not true just becase Cal left UM it was going to automatically return to medioc.

Pastner was given the keys to a super highly running program. He walked into a established fan base and brand. Played in one of the best facilities in the country. Had full support of the admin as a basketball school. Some of the best recruits in the country live mins from the university. What Pastner inherited most coaches never get until they have coached for 15 years.

A established and experienced coach could of kept UM relevant playing at a high level. UM had no issues recruiting players after Cal left to that crappy conf. Why? Because the brand was still their. It was not until it became clear Pastner would destroy a young mans NBA dreams that the recruiting got bad. And in 7 years Pastner has had 3 top classes with names like Barton, Jackson, Black, Thomas, Nichols, Crawford all top recruits he did nothing with.

Looking at the FEF today during a game blows my mind. Its empty. And it has nothing to do with Cal leaving or conf realignment. Has everything to do with Pastner gutting a program right in front of our eyes.

Had they made a change in year 3 , UM would of been able to save what Cal left them. Instead they give Pastner an extension and raise. Idiots.

 

[Blueworld_3.0]

Honestly don't know what Pastner could bring to the table at UK. Word is (validated by comments in this thread) that his name is mud in Memphis so, don't see how he could help UK recruiting in that city.
Plus, and this is where the whole story is unpredictable...there seems to now be a MAJOR divide between Cal and the Memphis program/fans. When the effort to honor Cal at Memphis blew up in their faces, it seems it also hurt Cal. It was even casually mentioned on KSR this morning. Cal no longer calls Memphis by name, instead he refers to them as "the other program".
So, maybe Cal would give Pastner a job just to rub it in the faces of those around the Memphis program. I just don't see how hiring him would be advantageous to UK.

 

[W2R]

Why worry about a failing coach that was only on Cal's bench for one season. We have a great Staff.!!!!!! Sure they will be up for jobs soon but remember Cal keeps getting them raises too. Sure barbee and Payne may leave soon but let's worry about that bridge when we get there. I don't want to think Josh pastor I don't think his personality would go well with our program anyways.

 

[truebluewildcat]

He will have his pick of good mid major or lower tier P5 jobs...

At 38 he is still very young for a coach but has 7 years HC experience...has won roughly 72 percent of his games......solid resume and pedigree...Lute Olson, Coach Cal disciple...top recruiter, still managed to hall some legit talent at Memphis post Cal...

I honestly don't know why Memphis would fire him...who the hell are they going to get that is significantly better?...he is the one in that relationship who could probably do a bit better...

I know we are pretty spoiled here at UK and that anything below our standards seems worthy of termination...but that is simply not reality...overall and conference winning percentages over 70 pretty much gets you tenure at most places...

I think Memphis is still suffering from Post Cal Stress Disorder...he led them to believe that they were something they are not...they are not a perennial power...they're a solid C-USA program...every coach significantly better than Pastner has a better job...

Not saying his run there isn't over...or that he is the second coming...but I think everyone at Memphis and everyone that thinks Pastner is a train wreck of a coach needs to pump their breaks a little...

 

[gossie21]

He's only in his 2nd year at USF...give him some time

But he is 4-17 in his second year. He's struggled quite a bit and an impatient AD may just show him the door.

As for Pastner. If either Payne or Barbee moves on I would absolutely take him. Calipari doesn't need a ton of help in recruiting, but having a stud recruiter never hurts. I'm not sure if there would be a better assistant coach available.... unless Michael Porter Jr.'s dad is looking for work.

 

[whhs22]

trueblue I get what your saying. but what your missing, is when Cal left that program was in position to be a top 10 program for a long time. that was clear when after 3 years of Cal being gone the brand was still strong enough to bring in top talent. no question in my mind had UM grabbed A Pearl or even a Drew, that program would still be top 10 to 20 program.

that's how strong that program was when Cal left. the money was their, the backing from admin and boosters, facilities best in the country, attendance one of the best in the country. everything Cal didn't have when he got their, and a foundation most coaches never start with. if you told me Pastner would have taken this program to this low level 7 years ago , I would of said no way.

has to go down has one of the worst coaching jobs ever in college sports.

 

[Bkocats]

Cal brings Pastner in, he couldn't call the players selfish MFers anymore

 

[Katwatcher]

W.Hiensenberg not sure Zona would bring Pastner in as a HC. Miller may bring him back as an asst. But i could see Miller looking the other way to, Pastner is a Olsen guy not Miller guy.

Pastner needs to go Mid West. Why anyone at Memphis would think a Jewish goody two shoes white man who punishes players for using foul language could get inner city young black men who literally have been brought up in a different world, play for him.

Pastner at first recruited well, that was not the issue. Pastner could not relate with the kids from Memphis. They laughed at him. Go to any AAU game in Memphis, the language and attitude used to coach these young men would shock some people. But this is their environment this is how communication and motivation work here. So bringing in Pastner who refuses to even swear or allow his players too just did not work with these young men. They looked at him as weak and goofy. Just the truth. These young men need a strong male figure who will put them in their place with out fear. Pastner wanted to talk it over or just use his power to sit them or kick them off the team. Instead of pushing them and standing up to them he quit on them. These young men noticed that early and just did not respect him.

I'm not sure I know where you are going with this. Are you saying Pastner needs to change his way rather than the players. Refusing to allow his players to use foul language and wanting to talk it over is bad?

You say they looked at him as goofy and weak, It seems to me he was standing up to them by sitting or kicking them off team.

I would think having to use their language and put up with their attitudes the coaches of the AAU teams should be the ones replaced. I believe you have the tail wagging the dog here in my opinion.

The point I'm trying to make is that if these players are allowed to continue with the attitudes and foul language, they are going to have problems fitting in with other employers and society. jmho