Why did we stop throwing the ball to Poythress
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Excellent question..... The answer is Murray wanted to take over and get his average. Almost cost us the game !
Well, UofL did adjust somewhat. I mean, Pitino wasn't just going to allow Poythress to keep beastin', camped out in the paint in the middle of the zone.
That last few touches he got in that spot, UofL had both bigs step up and trap him. Pitino may be an ass, but the man can coach.
It wasn't like UK was just going to be able to ride Poythress in the middle of the zone for the entire second half.
That last few touches he got in that spot, UofL had both bigs step up and trap him. Pitino may be an ass, but the man can coach.
It wasn't like UK was just going to be able to ride Poythress in the middle of the zone for the entire second half.
Actually that's not the answer. You're just getting your shots in. You're also getting more and more brazen each time you post. Don't think that people don't notice.
Everyone needs to lighten up on Murray. With Cal's permission, he is learning to be THE Star, which is necessary for this team to become a tournament threat.
Poy definitely looks like this teams zone buster. Flash up the the key, one stop then thunder.
I don't think I have seen Murray pass the ball with two hands. He's a very frustrating player. But he does hit some big shots, that's why I'm confident in this team come March.
I don't think I have seen Murray pass the ball with two hands. He's a very frustrating player. But he does hit some big shots, that's why I'm confident in this team come March.
not gonna lie, got a bit nervous at end of game, started to hold ball and milk clock, had flashbacks of Wisconsin game
..This what Ky been missing all yr is that inside game, Poy should be there inside game he is quick, strong, good moves around the basket and if he is fouled a good free throw shooter..
Yep. If that dude isn't taking shots at Cal, complaining about his coaching, then he's complaining about who Cal plays or doesn't play, or he's taking shots at one of the players.
This is the same poster that called the entire next year's class of recruits "glory hogs". Think about that. Those guys aren't even on campus for another year, yet he has already labeled them in a derogatory sense, taken shots at them and complained about them. Posters like him give this place the "Raftards" nickname.
Well what is the answer, oh great wizzard ? As far as brazen, I call em like I see em this is a message board, of which I have been a member for quite somtime. Did you not observe that Poythress lack of involvement led to a 16 point lead almost get pissed away...... tell us oh great wizzard !
Not only this, but they also stopped extending the top of their zone out as high. They were extending it out past the three point line, trying to put pressure on the guards. Once Poythress started going off they packed it in some and clogged up the paint area.
If you seriously think Murray "trying to get his average" was the reason behind Poythress not continually getting the ball in the middle of the zone, then this conversation isn't even worth having, because it would evidently go right over your head.
All I know, and apparantly you don't, is that Poy was killing UofL inside, and when Murray started making more turnovers than Betty Crocker, the game was almost lost. The Cards went man to man for much of the 2nd half, and we never threw the ball to Poy down low. He would have scored or gotten fouled, he was on yesterday Murray was not, Ulis was on, Murray was not. Lesson for you is over.....so shut up !
Yep. It's was all on Murray and had absolutely zero to do with Pitino adjusting and trying to take Poythress away, instead of allowing Poythress to bonkers on them the entire second half. Only lesson I learned is how clueless you are.
P.S. The Cards didn't go man to man for much of the 2nd half. That's their zone and how they play it. It's a hybrid with man to man principles.
That second part is pure bull crap . Yes he wanted to take over but he wanted to because more then anyone on the team he hates losing . You can't bitch about that if you were happy about his play against OSU as they came from the same place. He hates losing and is a true team guy who wants to put the team on his back . He just has to learn what a bad shot is. And for all his bad plays he made the 2nd biggest play in the game with his last 3. Murray is an amazing 2 guard but he does need to learn the game better . Still the only 2 g better IMO is Buddy Heild .
Adjustments but also the UL big man that was in foul trouble was able to be brought back late in the game and Poy had someone bigger now guarding him (and not that Mamood guy for UL who couldn't defend). I was impressed of course with Poy but I don't think it is going to work playing him as the offensive center, so to speak, against teams with quality big men that are not in foul trouble.
In terms of Murray, he helped us win the game with the outside shots in the second half especially, but surprisingly fumbled the ball a lot or made poor passes to allow breaks for UL. I think you could equally argue that Cal in trying to get Murray to do the dribble drive versus taking the shot has created a learning curve. Nevertheless, I want Murray to typically be taking the shots because he remains our best offensive player.
It is funny how some fans alter whatever they think about a player based upon one game.
In terms of Murray, he helped us win the game with the outside shots in the second half especially, but surprisingly fumbled the ball a lot or made poor passes to allow breaks for UL. I think you could equally argue that Cal in trying to get Murray to do the dribble drive versus taking the shot has created a learning curve. Nevertheless, I want Murray to typically be taking the shots because he remains our best offensive player.
It is funny how some fans alter whatever they think about a player based upon one game.
Good answer. Some posters seem so eager to blame someone (in this case, Murray) that they don't consider other explanations like defensive adjustments. The interior gap in that zone that Poy was exploiting early was largely being clogged up in the second half. Why? Because UL adjusted its D after seeing that space Poy was finding. That's what hall of fame coaches do.
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No way after a couple times that Murray should have kept driving inside, he should have tried to get open for his shot outside.
Yep. They did a couple of things to deny Poythress the ball in that spot. If you go back and rewatch you will see (other than the things already mentioned in this thread) they also played a few possessions in a row in some what of a 3-1-1 zone.
They had three defenders at the top of the zone pressuring the ball, the big guy roamed down low under the basket, and then they had the fifth defender just camped out on the free throw line, denying any entry pass into the middle of the zone. There was no way Poythress was going to continue to get the ball in that spot.
Guess it's just simpler for some folks (especially those that watched the game and didn't even know what defense UofL was playing) to comprehend that it's all Murray's fault why Poythress didn't keep getting the ball in the middle of the zone.
I didn't mean for this to turn into a bashing thread. I didn't notice the adjustments so glad someone pointed it out.
You are one of three things: a UofSmell fan, the dumbest UK fan in the world, or Saul Smith.
