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Who do you think is the best coach right now?

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1. Best X's and O's
2. Best recruiter
3. Best program builder
4. Best at getting most out of players
5. Best at getting players to improve

Here's mine
1. Izzo
2. Calipari
3. Calipari
4. Pitino
5. Calipari
 
Best X and O guy I've seen is Brad Stevens. The rest of them, of all the great coaches, you could make minor distinctions between them - Stevens is the only one to really distance himself from others.

Best recruiter is Cal. Pretty plain to see.

Otherwise, it's splitting hairs to a great extent. But your answers are good ones......
 
Izzo is so over rated and constantly get a pass. I lays in the background and doesn't make waves so no one knows how often he fails and only views his successes. Is he good? of course but over rated as being one of the best. Just my opinion.

I think Mark Few gets more out of his players than anyone though. Cal's right there with him. No one can do what Cal does each year with new teams. He gets more out of 18 year old kids than most get out of 22-23 year old men.
 
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this depends on a lot, especially time span and what any one person values

if you want to use since 2010, and national championships.......then

asshole K

this is the big reason why I think the media doesn't give Cal credit he deserves - 1 title

and let's be honest, 1 title with the players we have had at Kentucky is pretty sparse
 
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Izzo is so over rated and constantly get a pass. I lays in the background and doesn't make waves so no one knows how often he fails and only views his successes. Is he good? of course but over rated as being one of the best. Just my opinion.

I think Mark Few gets more out of his players than anyone though. Cal's right there with him. No one can do what Cal does each year with new teams. He gets more out of 18 year old kids than most get out of 22-23 year old men.
Wait. What? I keep reading and hearing that Cal doesn't improve his players. They are all ready super talented (17-18 years old). And most other coaches would have won at least three NCAAT with so many great (future) pro players.
 
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Rick Pitno, I don't want him at UK, but give him the same talent UK and Duke get, and he would post more then 1 NC. The man is a scum bag, but he is a good coach. The Wichita State coach is a good x and o coach. Good talent can always make you look good.

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In this century (take your pick):
Coach A 4 FF, 3 Titles
Coach B 6 FF, 1 Title
Coach C 7 FF, 3 Titles
Coach D 3 FF, 1 Title
Coach E 4 FF, 1 Title
Coach F 3 FF, 2 Titles
 
In this century (take your pick):
Coach A 4 FF, 3 Titles
Coach B 6 FF, 1 Title
Coach C 7 FF, 3 Titles
Coach D 3 FF, 1 Title
Coach E 4 FF, 1 Title
Coach F 3 FF, 2 Titles

Coach A is K
Coach B is Cal
Coach C is Roy
Coach D is Pitino?
Coach E is idk, Izzo?
Coach F is Donovan I assume.
 
Rick Pitno, I don't want him at UK, but give him the same talent UK and Duke get, and he would post more then 1 NC. The man is a scum bag, but he is a good coach. The Wichita State coach is a good x and o coach. Good talent can always make you look good.

OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
Give him the talent that K, Williams and Cal gets, and you would see. He did a great job with a lot less talent. You have to look at the talent a coach gets before you grade him.

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Based on their history, you're right about one and wrong about the other. From what he's done in Boston, it's probably fair to assume Stevens could coach very talented kids. There's nothing in Pitinos record to indicate he could. Every once in a while he gets a highly rated recruit - one - and invariably that kid rides the bench the first year or two, developing slowly and usually not achieving what was predicted. A team full of highly rated recruits? That team under Pitino would implode and have multiple transfers. Of course, he wouldn't get them to begin with.....

Funny, being able to handle multiple highly rated kids, multiple alpha dogs with big egos that have been catered to since the 5th grade, is a very difficult thing to do, and very few can do it. But people routinely forget that, and act like they're all just robots, you plug them in and all that matters is the talent level. He'll, anyone can coach a team full of McDonalds All Americas!!
 
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What exactly has Brad Stevens won?


I think he noted for the NBA before he actually won anything but that was plenty of time to see that he's a really great coach. If he's still at Butler, I truly believe they would have a title by now. It's hard to believe that he wouldn't have a championship by looking at the teams he took to the title game. He was a couple seconds and a made 3 for winning one with a very mediocre team in 2010.
 
I think he noted for the NBA before he actually won anything but that was plenty of time to see that he's a really great coach. If he's still at Butler, I truly believe they would have a title by now. It's hard to believe that he wouldn't have a championship by looking at the teams he took to the title game. He was a couple seconds and a made 3 for winning one with a very mediocre team in 2010.
The dude went to back it back title games at Butler, BUTLER, and you're asking what he's won lol?
Both of you are wildly, wildly underestimating the luck factor involved in a single-elimination tournament.

Yeah, Stevens gives every appearance of being a great coach, and yeah, Butler getting to the title game 2 years in a row is probably the single most impressive performance by a non-power conference school in the last 25 years, at least, but the idea that Stevens was going to keep doing those kinds of things had he stayed at Butler is almost certainly wrong.

Butler's winning margins after the 1st round in 2010 were 2 (over a 13 seed), 4, 7, and 2. The next year, it was a 2 point win in the first round at the buzzer, 1 on a freak play where 1 seed Pitt fouled on their own missed FT with less than a second left in a tie game, 7, 3 in OT, and then they drew Virginia Commonwealth in the FF. Incredible run, but also a huge luck element involved, one that almost certainly wasn't going to be sustainable. As (and people tend to forget this) Stevens himself proved, because he coached 2 more years at Butler after that, missing the tourney in 11-12 and losing in the 2nd round in 12-13.
 
Both of you are wildly, wildly underestimating the luck factor involved in a single-elimination tournament.

Yeah, Stevens gives every appearance of being a great coach, and yeah, Butler getting to the title game 2 years in a row is probably the single most impressive performance by a non-power conference school in the last 25 years, at least, but the idea that Stevens was going to keep doing those kinds of things had he stayed at Butler is almost certainly wrong.

Butler's winning margins after the 1st round in 2010 were 2 (over a 13 seed), 4, 7, and 2. The next year, it was a 2 point win in the first round at the buzzer, 1 on a freak play where 1 seed Pitt fouled on their own missed FT with less than a second left in a tie game, 7, 3 in OT, and then they drew Virginia Commonwealth in the FF. Incredible run, but also a huge luck element involved, one that almost certainly wasn't going to be sustainable. As (and people tend to forget this) Stevens himself proved, because he coached 2 more years at Butler after that, missing the tourney in 11-12 and losing in the 2nd round in 12-13.

He's taken Isaiah Thomas, an over the hill Al Horford and a bunch of scrubs to a 1 seed and series win tonight. If they beat the Wizards, he's a GOD. The talent level between the two teams isn't close.
 
He's taken Isaiah Thomas, an over the hill Al Horford and a bunch of scrubs to a 1 seed and series win tonight. If they beat the Wizards, he's a GOD. The talent level between the two teams isn't close.
Between what 2 teams, the Wizards and Celtics?

Totally disagree with that.

If he can beat the Cavaliers, yes. But the Wizards and Celtics are pretty evenly matched. The Wizards have a peaking John Wall, but a questionable frontcourt and very little off the bench. The Celtics have more depth of talent, and while you talk about Horford being over the hill, he's still a pretty big step up from Marcin Gortat.
 
Both of you are wildly, wildly underestimating the luck factor involved in a single-elimination tournament.

Yeah, Stevens gives every appearance of being a great coach, and yeah, Butler getting to the title game 2 years in a row is probably the single most impressive performance by a non-power conference school in the last 25 years, at least, but the idea that Stevens was going to keep doing those kinds of things had he stayed at Butler is almost certainly wrong.

Butler's winning margins after the 1st round in 2010 were 2 (over a 13 seed), 4, 7, and 2. The next year, it was a 2 point win in the first round at the buzzer, 1 on a freak play where 1 seed Pitt fouled on their own missed FT with less than a second left in a tie game, 7, 3 in OT, and then they drew Virginia Commonwealth in the FF. Incredible run, but also a huge luck element involved, one that almost certainly wasn't going to be sustainable. As (and people tend to forget this) Stevens himself proved, because he coached 2 more years at Butler after that, missing the tourney in 11-12 and losing in the 2nd round in 12-13.



I'm not under estimating any kind of factors with a single elimination tournament. Geez, if anyone should know how difficult it is then UK fans should know. And I do realize how difficult it is and how many things have to go right for your team to win. Having said that, there is a reason why the best coaches win championships and why the best of the best keep winning and keep contending for titles. Because talent means a lot and coaching means a lot too, much more than getting lucky along the way. While talent and good coaching doesn't guarantee titles, luck doesn't even get you past the 1st weekend. With the talent that I think Stevens would've been able to get at Butler, I think he would've won a title by now. That's not under estimating anything and realizing how difficult it is to win it, I still think he would've gotten it done by now. Great coaches consistently contend for titles and great coaches will knock down the door. I think Stevens was a really great coach and would've knocked down that door quickly.
 
Izzo is so over rated and constantly get a pass. I lays in the background and doesn't make waves so no one knows how often he fails and only views his successes. Is he good? of course but over rated as being one of the best. Just my opinion.

I think Mark Few gets more out of his players than anyone though. Cal's right there with him. No one can do what Cal does each year with new teams. He gets more out of 18 year old kids than most get out of 22-23 year old men.
i cant help but think of peter dinklage saying what you txt lol
 
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0. Pie Rat
1. Stevens
2. Calipari
3. Few
4. Martin
5. Calipari
 
I'm not under estimating any kind of factors with a single elimination tournament. Geez, if anyone should know how difficult it is then UK fans should know. And I do realize how difficult it is and how many things have to go right for your team to win. Having said that, there is a reason why the best coaches win championships and why the best of the best keep winning and keep contending for titles. Because talent means a lot and coaching means a lot too, much more than getting lucky along the way. While talent and good coaching doesn't guarantee titles, luck doesn't even get you past the 1st weekend. With the talent that I think Stevens would've been able to get at Butler, I think he would've won a title by now. That's not under estimating anything and realizing how difficult it is to win it, I still think he would've gotten it done by now. Great coaches consistently contend for titles and great coaches will knock down the door. I think Stevens was a really great coach and would've knocked down that door quickly.
If Stevens had stayed at Butler, the level of talent he was going to coach wasn't going to be any huge step up from what he already had, especially in 2010. I think it's a huge mistake to just assume, because of what happened in 10 and 11, that it was going to continue to happen.

It's the easiest thing in the world to look at a coach at a smaller school and say "Wow, if he had X's talent, how good would his teams be?" In Stevens' case, had he stayed at Butler, there's no reason to think that there would be a huge uptick in recruiting (when you get Gordon Hayward, regardless of where he was rated coming out of HS, how much better do you think you're going to get?), and what he would have done even if there was will remain a mystery.

I assume he would have had very good teams, but assuming he'd have won a title in the last 4 years (because that's all he's been out of the college game) is a step waaaaaaaaay too far for me. Too many excellent coaches at bigger schools, with easier access to elite talent, have made a big initial impression and then struggled for years to win a title for me to think Stevens is so great that he could have done it in the last 4 years. Maybe he could have turned Butler into the Duke of the Midwest, and gotten to the point where he could compete for nationally known recruits, but there are factors working against that, and I think it would have been a fairly long process, kind of how Gonzaga had to remain a factor for well over a decade before they could start getting really high level players (and even then, mainly as transfers).
 
See: Billy Gillispie
See many, many examples, because the most common hiring practice for big schools is to take someone who's been successful at a smaller place and assume that they will be able to accomplish the same things or more at a bigger place. The ones who actually can (Pitino and Cal being 2 great examples, Bill Self another. And all at blue blood programs) are pretty rare.
 
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1. Best X's and O's
2. Best recruiter
3. Best program builder
4. Best at getting most out of players
5. Best at getting players to improve

Here's mine
1. Izzo
2. Calipari
3. Calipari
4. Pitino
5. Calipari
Weighing your criteria, the best coaches in college basketball are Calipari, Krzyzewski, Roy, Izzo, in 1 order or another. Mark Few gets honorable mention, I guess. I can't group Pitino with these guys, because Pitino is a reckless program manager and a poor influence on young men. There are serious reasons to wonder if Roy might get permanently damaged by what goes down with the NCAA's investigation of academic fraud at North Carolina. In that case, Roy would also have to be seriously downgraded as a program manager. Krzyzewski is nearing the end of a spectacular coaching career, whether or not people like him. Calipari and Izzo will continue to overachieve for the foreseeable future, and others will continue to emulate them.
 
Rick Pitno, I don't want him at UK, but give him the same talent UK and Duke get, and he would post more then 1 NC. The man is a scum bag, but he is a good coach. The Wichita State coach is a good x and o coach. Good talent can always make you look good.

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Pitino is joke. A fraud. He has had plenty of talent and done nothing with it. At UL he has one legit final four in 17 years. You can't count the two years he cheated where his staff paid whores to screw recruits and players. 9 out of his 17 years at UL he has either not made the tournament, gone to the NIT or not made it out of the first weekend of the tournament. That sucks. At UK he arguably had the best team in 1993 and 1995 and no title. In 1997, he lost to a lower seed in the title game. I hope he stays at UL another 10 years. That guarantees two things- UK beats UL and UL does nothing in the NCAA tournament.
 
1. Best X's and O's
2. Best recruiter
3. Best program builder
4. Best at getting most out of players
5. Best at getting players to improve

Here's mine
1. Izzo
2. Calipari
3. Calipari
4. Pitino
5. Calipari
Probably correctly ranked although I have always thought X's and O's is so vague it's difficult to rank. All coaches in the top group can draw up X's and O's however most of the top coaches including Cal, coach K and Roy don't X and O the players to death they focus more on techniques. Their is more of a focus on isolating the defense knowing how to break them down. Actual plays aren't really used quite as much.
 
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