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What Maryland Player Would Start For UK? Which UNC Player Would?

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Tremble (sp??) has been very hyped but Murray just destroyed him in the Pan Am games. Stone is good but wouldn't start at center for UK. Neither would the Duke transfer at SG. At PF, Poythress may well be the best defensive 4 in college. Our bench is every bit as good.

UNC: Paige over Ulis (I guess)
SG not even close
Murry over Jackson at the 3 (but Jackson is good)
PF Poythress vs whoever starts would be close
Skal over Meeks

UK bench at least as good.

UK should be #1.

Darryl
 
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paige has never impressed me that much. when he turns it on and on fire he's pretty good I guess, but how much does he actually help you when he's not scoring. No way id trade ullis for him, I thought that last year. He's just not the point guard or defender ullis is imo. ullis d is infectious and motivates the team in a similar way that mkgs intensity on d did.
 
A healthy Paige is a worldbeater. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the case for the majority of his time in college now.

Though not being preseason #1 doesn't take the target off our back, I'm happy to let as much pressure off of this years squad as possible, especially in the beginning. Following a team that just fell short of a perfect season isn't exactly a small task.
 
Jake Layman might be a name you would consider. He's an NBA talent and he plays SF, a position where we are going to have to play someone out of position.
 
Stonewall12 said:
Would you take Paige over Ulis?
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Right now? No.

If he comes back and is 100%, possibly. There's a reason he will probably be ACC pre-season POY 2 years in a row. Kid has a lot more experience than Ulis right now too.

That being said, I love the way Tyler plays, and I think he is poised for an awesome year. But, 5'9 is 5'9.
 
Ulis is, objectively speaking, the best pure PG in the nation. Kid has intangibles that can't be measured nor taught. Truly a diamond in the rough.
 
I think we have 2 guys that would push any player out on any team and that is Skal and Murray. Those are the 2 positions that I think you couldn't find somebody to replace them.
All the others you could.
Ulis would be second tier. He's very good but has his limits on what he has showed so far. Needs to improve his game against bigger guards and his scoring.
 
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Brice Johnson...very nice player who averaged 12 and 8 last year. Justin Jackson also came on strong toward the end of the season
 
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Paige has been more hype than production so far. No, I wouldn't trade Tyler for Paige. You can blame injuries on Paiges lack of improving. With Tyler, his height has never been a concern for me. If we were talking NBA, I might reconsider. I believe Tyler will be the best point guard in the nation this coming year. To be more clear, it's not a diss to Paige or any other point guard. I just believe Tyler will be hands down best in nation. Out of position or not, Murray is another kid I wouldn't trade for any other player in the nation at the sf spot, or wherever we decide to play him at. I know Maryland fans will argue about Stone starting for us, but to be honest, I like our starting lineup just fine the way it is and wouldn't trade anybody.
 
If we are being truly objective both Brice Johnson and Justin Jackson would start for UK this year. Johnson at PF over Poythress and Jackson at SF pushing Murray to his more natural SG.
 
I'd put Paige out there with Ulis and Murray, but that is just me. If anyone can make it work it is Cal.
 
"If we are being truly objective both Brice Johnson and Justin Jackson would start for UK this year. Johnson at PF over Poythress and Jackson at SF pushing Murray to his more natural SG."

If YOU. give me poy. how soon we forget.
 
MOX-MOX said:
"If we are being truly objective both Brice Johnson and Justin Jackson would start for UK this year. Johnson at PF over Poythress and Jackson at SF pushing Murray to his more natural SG."

If YOU. give me poy. how soon we forget.
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Brice Johnson last year averaged 12.9 Points per game with .566 FG percentage 7.8 Rebounds and 1.1 blocks per game. The year before he averaged 10.3 points with .566 FG percentage 6.1 Rebounds 1.3 blocks per game. I think the fair thing to do is throw out all of last year's stats for Alex because he got hurt and the platoon's depressed everyone's stats. So his Sophomore year Alex Poythress averaged 5.9 Points per game at .497 FG percentage 4.5 Rebounds per game and .7 blocks per game. His freshman year he averaged 11.2 Points per game at .581 FG percentage 6.0 Rebounds per game and .4 blocks per game. I love Alex but the stats don't lie one player is statistically regressing while the other is ascending. Poythress is likely a better post defender but Johnson is the better all around player today. He may not have more NBA potential or be a better NBA draft prospect but he is the superior player at this point.
 
Untouchables22 said:
Brice Johnson last year averaged 12.9 Points per game with .566 FG percentage 7.8 Rebounds and 1.1 blocks per game. The year before he averaged 10.3 points with .566 FG percentage 6.1 Rebounds 1.3 blocks per game. I think the fair thing to do is throw out all of last year's stats for Alex because he got hurt and the platoon's depressed everyone's stats. So his Sophomore year Alex Poythress averaged 5.9 Points per game at .497 FG percentage 4.5 Rebounds per game and .7 blocks per game. His freshman year he averaged 11.2 Points per game at .581 FG percentage 6.0 Rebounds per game and .4 blocks per game. I love Alex but the stats don't lie one player is statistically regressing while the other is ascending. Poythress is likely a better post defender but Johnson is the better all around player today. He may not have more NBA potential or be a better NBA draft prospect but he is the superior player at this point.
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I think you're ignoring a lot of context here. Alex went to the NIT his freshman year. He was forced to stay on the floor when he was playing poorly, because we had no one to sub. His sophomore year, he played in the national championship game.

His sophomore year, he wasn't the first, second, or even third choice in the offense. Whereas the year before, the main options were Alex in the corner, waiting to catch and shoot, Archie driving the ball straight into three defenders, plowing through them and throwing the ball off the shot clock, or Kyle taking the ball from 15ft out and trying to back players down like my 50 year old uncle in a driveway pick up game.

Stats don't always tell the full story of a player. MKG just signed a contract for 54M, and it wasn't because his stats were great.
 
I think if Marcus Paige could be in a scenario like Quinn Cook at Duke last year (or Nolan Smith in 2010) where he could be released from having to deal with trying to run the team and just be allowed to solely focus on being able to roam and look for his shot he'd be an excellent 2-guard for anybody. If I were Roy that's the situation I'd be trying to create for him instead of him having the ball so much.
 
Give me all 3 teams to work with and I might build a starting lineup of:

Jamal Murray
Melo Trimble
Justin Jackson? Or put in Ulis or Paige and move Murray to the 3.
Brice Johnson
Skal
 
From a pure, projected talent standpoint, UK probably should be #1. I don't think they will be, though, and I think a lot of it has to do with voter fatigue. This would be the 3rd season in a row that UK was 1 in the preseason, and I think some voters are looking for reasons not to vote for UK. With Cal at UK, you can usually find reasons to hesitate, if that's what you want to do, because every year except 11-12 and last year has involved a large amount of totally unproven talent. And to be fair, 3 of those seasons (10-11, 12-13, and 13-14) involved major growing pains, even if 2 of them ended in a FF appearance.

#1 or not, I wouldn't trade rosters with anyone.
 
Would not trade coaches with either of those schools either. UK is clearly the superior team in my view.
 
Keep in mind Maryland adds three starters to their team: Sulaimon, Carter, and Stone.

They definitely have improved down low with Carter and Stone. They add some major beef to that team. I think Stone is going to be a stud.
 
Brice Johnson probably. He's long lean and can score.

Melo at the two with Murray would be scary.

But,

As Cal would say, "I like my team".
 
Melo Trimble is a great shooting point guard and gets to the rim all game long.
Murray should be a stud at SG, I would take him over Sheed.
Jake Layman at the three: a great athlete.
Don't know about the 4: Either Poythress, Carter or Johnson
Skal gets the nod over Diamond. Stone is a very good shooter, but I don't think he is a great athlete.
 
Trimble > Ulis
Sulaimon < Briscoe
Layman < Murray
Carter < Poythress (if Poy is 100%)
Stone < Labissiere

Trimble is a great player and he's bigger and a better scorer than Ulis. After that, I give UK the advantage.

I think UK's bench will be slightly better as well, though Maryland has some experience on the bench.
 
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