Westry and Baity
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Stoops is giving them reps with the 1s. It's a tryout. That doesn't mean both freshmen will start. I will be shocked if Stoops starts 2 true freshmen cornerbacks. That isn't happening. But I won't be surprised at all if Westry starts across from a senior. I think they are still deciding whether to take the redshirt off Baity. Kendall Randolph is a heck of a player, and JD Harmon has improved every year. Would not discount Tucker or Hytchye. This will be an improved, deeper group. Baity has a great future, but I don't think it's a given that he plays this year.
There is a difference between practicing with the 1s.. And separating your self from the rest of the CBs.. Yes we know they have been working with the 1s.. And now this comes out.. So after reping with the 1s he has started to separate from the other CBs (excluding Westry) I think the fact that a gap is forming between the two Fr and the rest is a clear sign that there is more than a small chances that come 9/5 both starting CBs are true Fr
got to think they would do a ying yang thing with our sr's and fr. start 1 sr and 1 fr and substitute with 1 fr and 1 sr. i would love for randolph to take that other spot and be able to rs baity... or whoever is 2nd of the freshmen. either way, we are gonna be better at db than i thought... but now im more worried about lber than i thought i'd be.
Blue Decade you might want to rethink your post if you keep reading the next several days..Baity can play. This staff is not like Joker and plays seniors regardless of whether they are any good. Let's wait and see.
CARDS had have of there defense drafted and all i hear from Card fans is how great they are gonna be...nothing but gloom and doom from our fans on our defense....smfh
It is a fact that our cornerbacks were a team weakness last year. It's a different group now, and not just because of Westry and Baity. Kendall Randolph and Blake McClain have moved to corner. Tucker is available now. Harmon and Hytchye are a year older and more experienced. Improvement in the field does to necessarily rest on the shoulders of Westry and Baity. From what I have heard, Westry is separating himself. So Westry might start. But you can't have 2 true freshman corners on the field at the same time. With so many other corners available, it would really be a vote of no confidence in Randolph, Harmon, and Tucker if they have to use Baity this year. McClain is still mainly a nickel and a safety, but Randolph is a very good player. That's a lot of options, and 4 of them besides Baity and Westry were signed by Stoops. So I still doubt Baity plays unless our coaches are desperate with the corners.
... Or maybe the Fr are just too good to keep off the field.. Just because the Fr start doesn't automatically mean the rest are bad.. We don't have to assume the worse.. Maybe just maybe they are all better.. But the FR are just so freakish that we have to play with them and live with the mistakes a true Fr CB will make
Nobody said Baity can't play. Nobody says this staff is like Joker either. That isn't the point. I am only saying that an SEC team intending to play in a postseason bowl can't start 2 true freshmen corners. Please if you can, name any example to show that an SEC team can get away with starting 2 true freshmen corners and get to a bowl. Stoops also signed Randolph, Hytchye, Tucker. All were highly rated. Can they play?
Glad that there's an upgrade at corner. Just wish it wasn't happening right now. Freshmen tend to wear down quick. I'd rather the seniors play now, freshmen get some experience, then start as the season progresses. Not that I think it's a huge deal or anything. You want to play your best eleven.
I wish Hytchye had redshirted. I just do not expect him to get many minutes with this defense. And, if Baity and Westry are passing him up, I think he will not be much of a factor for his career on the field.
The more I read and see.. The more I think that there is a real good possibility that both start;however, with that said, I don't think it will be a big split like70-30.. At least not at the start of the season. IMO, whether they start or not the splits will be close to 50-50 between the top 4 CBs
i thought it would take til week 3 or 4 for one of the fr to take a spot and agree with your take on wearing down. my hope is that with 3 seniors with a whole bunch of experience, that if we do start a freshman or 2, they have depth behind them that can play half the snaps or more and we are still better off than last year.
Quinn, Tiller, Westry, Baity are not our only corner options. Just a reminder that Hytchye and Randolph were 4 star recruits. I am less of a believer in star ratings than most other people on this board. But these guys were signed by Stoops, which means they are good players, expected to play and contribute. Maybe Hytchye won't work out, maybe he will with more experience. But Randolph looked great when he got into games last year. Randolph is a sure tackler with good size, strength, and quickness. JD Harmon has size, speed, and experience. I love Westry and Baity, but there is not a logical reason to understand how they can separate themselves from a more experienced player like Randolph or Harmon this quickly. Maybe later, sure. So I wonder if part of this is motivational. Maybe part of it is the annual decision process near the end of August when they give certain true freshmen more reps to clarify whether they play or redshirt. I have never heard of a legitimate power 5 bowl contender starting 2 true freshmen corners. I suppose there is a 1st time for everything, but it doesn't add up.
Just to clarify I'm not including tiller in the top 4.. Top 4 are Quinn Randolph and the two Fr
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That is a far cry from starting 2 true freshmen corners at the same time. And, remember, Ohio State got clipped by VT early in the season.
Then how can Baity separate himself from Randolph by the 3rd week of August? Randolph looks like a great player to me, and has a season of experience plus spring drills under his belt. I am not the coach and don't presume to know better, but this is a head scratcher to me.
We can red shirt two of our Freshman corners - Jackson and Beckham.
I agree it's not the best situation, but I believe Florida started to FR CBs a couple of years ago. It may have been their 4-8 year. So, not's saying its any good, but it's possible.
secondary as whole you'd be starting 2 freshman corners, maybe, jr S, sr S, jr nickle, 3 backup corners would be sr's. still a whole lot of experience back there. part of playing young guys is having experienced guys beside them. im more concerned about our lb'er depth right now than i am cb. and a month ago i was really worried about cb and im not so much anymore. if both play its because they beat out 2 veterans. i still dont think we start 2 but it will be nice to get both experience for next year when i think our D can finally take that leap into top 25 territory.
He is just voicing his opinions, and he does back up a lot of them with facts-----even if you don't like them.
He does seem to be behind most of us on the optimism curve though.
LSU played some good freshmen in the secondary last year and turned out pretty good. I think those young guys can come in and make a big impact at the skill positions like that. Corner is a lot about being able to react..you need to have really good athletes on defense because many times they're going to be a step behind since the offense has the advantage of knowing the play
I agree with you on this. Hytchye was the one guy IMO that played in Stoops' first year that should have redshirted.
I am OK with Westry and Baity playing as true FR, but I don't know how prudent it would be to start both of them in SEC play. At some point, the perpetual youth movement has to stop.
I'll trade a loss to South Carolina for a title any day of the week and twice on Sunday's.
I don't know why so many people are against Baity and Westry both starting. If they're better, they should start. From practice reports it seems both are playing better than Quinn and Tiller and Randolph. If that's the case, the more talented players should play, regardless of experience. End of discussion.
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