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Wasn't it WCS who they said swam from one side of the pool to the other and back underwater at the Bahamas?
I've heard he can at least swim underwater. If I recall correctly, when the Cats were in the Bahama's prior to the '14-'15 season, WCS swam underwater from one end of a pool and back in one breath.
He was also a wide receiver in high school
WCS is going the Tiger Woods route I guess. Didn't Woods also go through some military training? WCS also seems to be one that is kind of bored with what he does and always looking for something to entertain himself. Wasn't it reported that he really didn't "love" basketball while he was here?
Yeah, this is the point I was going to make. Willie is a different kind of cat, it's what makes Willie, Willie, and you wouldn't want to mess with that. OTOH, the back and knee injuries that eventually ended Tigre's career began with some training with SEALs......
I just can't past his comments after Wisc that he just couldn't get into it . What? UK FF!
The NAVY SEALs Training is almost no level compared physically not to mention the mental challenges over any military training. I retired from the Air Force and PT standards are BS compared to SEAL Training. Nothing alike. I actually got sick more from conditioning in high school baseball than I ever did in Air Force PT & I immediately enlisted after graduating. SEAL training has about a 75% washout rate. Would be interested to know WCS thoughts if he makes it past 'Hell Week'
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From my understanding a lot SEAL training is classified too, so I'm not sure if he'll be getting the real deal. That number actually seems low too, I thought I heard somewhere between 80-90% drop out. But the point is the same- that ish is tough.
For Air Force the training gets tough when they go to pilot school or through the PJ (parajumper) program. Most of that is in SERE training. The entire resistance portion of SERE is classified (survival, evasion, resistance, and escape) but the old rumor (that you can easily google) was the cadre would break 1 big bone and 2 small bones.
I wonder what % of people that attempt seals training are world class athletes?
I'm not saying it'll be easy for Willie. There's probably some stuff involved that his height would likely make more difficulty. But he's also already had to put himself through some pretty rigorous training in order to become and stay relevant in one of the most competitive professions in the world.
I'm not saying it'll be easy for Willie. There's probably some stuff involved that his height would likely make more difficulty. But he's also already had to put himself through some pretty rigorous training in order to become and stay relevant in one of the most competitive professions in the world.
You're right that he's going to receive a watered down version. They may yell at him but doubtful to get humiliated/screamed at like real trainees back in the day. Hell if you cuss a trainee in the Air Force these days, could be the end of your career. A female basic training instructor got sent to prison for threatening to send trainees home in body bags. I was told much worse when I went through. Seen videos online of athletes going through the Marines Crucible & other branches Basic Training. Regular civilians can't just jump in and do something of that magnitude no matter how good of shape or an athlete they are. Those numbers I mentioned are just averages. It's nothing to see a class where there's 1 making it.
Only commissioned officers in the AF can be pilots anyways. Just a small portion of the Air Force. Warrant Officers can fly helicopters in the Army. Right now there is a loophole where a lot of Pilot trainees are getting certified, once they are graduated, they are dropping their separation papers once qualified. Landing nice pilots jobs with Major Airliners. Military paid them to get trained and leave once training is over. Commanders are getting pissed as hell. Google the article of the one threatening how he is going to ruin lives of those doing that.
I know what PJ/SERE are. Two friends still in the Air Force tried those jobs, did not make it. Pararescue Jumpers/Combat Control are the only jobs in the Air Force that can rival NAVY SEAL standards. For the Air Force, we also have Tactical Air Control Party, the job I wished I had and SOWT (Special Operations Weather Technician). TACP is tougher physically than most Air Force jobs but not considered Special Operations unless you are a certified JTAC (Joint Terminal Air Controller) which can be obtained once you have experience in the career field. Spent the last few years before retirement stationed at Lackland where INDOC is for those jobs. Seen some of their training. The swimming is the hardest part that gets most people to washout early on in the course. Especially underwater exercises.
Regular Air Force AFSCs and regular jobs in the military abroad open to everyone have significantly lesser PT standards. "The entire resistance portion of SERE is classified (survival, evasion, resistance, and escape)" That's just what SERE stands for, not just one portion of the training. I do not need Google to dispel that rumor about the major bones being intentionally broken. SERE school does train you in case you are captured and survive in the worst conditions.They will not purposely end your military career by breaking your major bones. I do not know it all and certainly don't claim to but from serving, I can offer some insight. I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong but set the record straight. SERE instructors might punch your nose, will beat your ass real bad but not to the point of disabling it's members. It's training you in the event you are captured. The military will not break MAJOR bones in your body. They invest so much money in training you. If you don't recover, military send you through a MEB Board and end up medically retiring you if that major bone doesn't heal.
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I was just stating what SERE stood for for those who didn't know. I was specifically stating that the indvidual portion known as resistance training is classified in how they train. It is classified so the enemy doesn't learn how we train our guys to resist their interrogation methods.
I served in the Air Force for a few years myself and was not qualified to fly. The rumor we heard was they break a rib and two fingers. Never confirmed nor denied. You can recover just fine from both.
I apologize for misreading your sentence, I was just confused. I don't doubt broken noses, ribs, or fingers after a cadre hands out a good ass whoopin catching someone asleep but you mentioned big bones being broken in your post. I had in my mind legs, feet or back bones. No one can tell before hand if someone is going to recover before a major bone breaks. That's the only part I and many other service members can confirm. Any major broken bone that can take 6 months-year, even longer to heal, if it even does. You're on a profile and aren't getting deployed. No good to a unit your assigned to if it's headed out in a month and you if they do that to you.
As you know in the Air Force, with a lot of jobs. individuals deploy alone, maybe one other will go with you. However, if you're job is one with SERE training, you're likely in a unit that all goes together. Especially in the other branches of military where units deploy together, not individuals. A lot of people I served with stayed on profile practically their whole careers in the Air Force. That's another story in itself. I would venture to say it's all classified to a degree which is why no one really knows all that goes on unless they went through. As I said, I'm not claiming to be a know it all on the subject but offer insight having seen some of the training take place at Lackland. Resistance & escape is the 2nd of 3 parts of the training. The 1st part Survival/Evasion I do know teaches evasion methods and communication protocols. General public and even military members without the need to know have no businesses knowing those those methods/protocols are.
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Jmeeks, your right! I was an Air Force pilot. When I set down at the table, there were 4 other guys there for pilot training. All of us had degrees in math or science. Our Instructor, prior to introducing himself said, "Gentlemen, look around, two of you will not be here for graduation."
He was right. 31 started in my class and 18 of us graduated. Their job was to "wash you out", not carry you if you couldn't make it. We started out in jets, which is different today. Now they start you out in a T-41 (Cessna 172). The wash out rate is a little lower.
Things happened fast on landing at 180 miles per hour in the jet versus 50 MPH in the T-41.
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Oh no, by big I was referencing a rib, which in reference to a finger is large. But I can see why you thought I was implying something like the femur. That would be determental to the soldier.
I have an Army field manual that I got as a kid in the 70s and it's just called, "Survival, Evasion, And Escape."
I think we got 33% tougher.
I think we got 33% tougher.
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I went in the AF in 69 and was a part of the 56th Special Ops NKP Thailand as a Radio Ops in 72 and was around PJ s everyday, one of the missions was SAR missions in Laos saving pilots being shot down most around the Ho Chi Minh trail, several PJ s and SAR crews was killed during that time..
chevyman, I lost two of my classmates over there, another student of mine shot down, but rescued, and several good friends. We had no business being there, and we were not allowed to win it. It was run from Washington, not run by the military. Before we could fire on the NVA coming down the HoChi Minh trail, we had to get permission from Washington. By that time, they were under the canopy of the jungle. Bull Shit war.
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No one goes through real BUDS training other than SEALS. WCS may go through similar training run by former SEALS but I guarantee you he won't be subjected to live fire or drownproofing
Idk when your 7ft tall and equal the length of the pool...add it all up, yes it can be done...
He would be the worst seal ever. You'd have a whole thing of SEALs just blend into their environment while you got this giant seven-footer just sticking out. Ha
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