Updated Bracketology 3/6/15

[MWes11]

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MIDWEST[/B]Louisville

1KENTUCKY
16TEXAS SOUTHERN

8Dayton

9OregonSeattle

5Louisville

12STEPHEN F. AUSTIN

4WICHITA ST

13VALPARAISOLouisville

6SMU
11Purdue

3Iowa St

14NEW MEXICO STOmaha

7San Diego St

10Xavier

2WISCONSIN

15SOUTH DAKOTA ST
WEST[/B]Pittsburgh

1VILLANOVA

16ST. FRANCIS (NY)

8Georgia

9NC StJacksonville

5North Carolina

12WOFFORD

4Baylor

13LOUISIANA TECHColumbus

6Georgetown

11LSU

3Notre Dame

14CENTRAL MICHIGANPortland

7Iowa

10Colorado St

2ARIZONA

15ALBANY

EAST[/B]Charlotte

1Virginia
16CHARLESTON SOUTHERN

8St. John's

9Ole MissJacksonville

5West Virginia

12MURRAY ST

4Northern Iowa

13IONAPittsburgh

6Providence

11DAVIDSON

3Maryland

14GEORGIA STOmaha

7Ohio St

10Cincinnati

2KANSAS

15WILLIAM & MARY
SOUTH[/B]Charlotte

1Duke

16BUCKNELL

8Virginia Commonwealth

9Oklahoma StColumbus

5Arkansas
12Temple

4Oklahoma

13HARVARDPortland

6Butler

11BOISE ST

3Utah

14UC DAVISSeattle

7Michigan St

10Texas A&M

2GONZAGA

15NORTH CAROLINA CENTRAL


This post was edited on 3/6 10:12 AM by MWes11

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[anon_013cn8yrfncx2]

Now that's a bracket I can see for Duke. Gonzaga and Utah as their 2/3. What a crock!

 

[Ryan Lemonds Diary]

Originally posted by no_neutrality:

Now that's a bracket I can see for Duke. Gonzaga and Utah as their 2/3. What a crock!

I agree but could see the Zags beating Duke in that matchup.

 

[Bluegrass79]

the Wisconsin draw is bullcrap and WONT happen. I hope for Villanova. Just need them to lose.

 

[Nuke99m]

With a loss tomorrow and one in the ACC post season, UL will be a 6 seed.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Originally posted by JasonSpear:
Wisconsin deserves a 1 seed... especially if they win the Big10 tournament.

This. If Jackson returns for the Big Ten tourney and they win it easily, how does one justify them not getting the last 1? They have ONE loss with their whole team playing.

And to the other poster, Gonzaga beating Duke? You serious?

 

[NavyKat]

I still say we will not see Wisconsin, especially if they win out. Gonzaga will end up being our 2 seed. If you can send the Zags to the South region then you can send them to the Midwest.

 

[Bluegrass79]

Originally posted by NavyKat:

I still say we will not see Wisconsin, especially if they win out. Gonzaga will end up being our 2 seed. If you can send the Zags to the South region then you can send them to the Midwest.

I seen a chart that shows Gonzaga posts up more than any other team in the nation.

Villanova lives off 3's and their big guys passing ability on wing drives.

I change my mind and want Gonzaga now.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Originally posted by NavyKat:

I still say we will not see Wisconsin, especially if they win out. Gonzaga will end up being our 2 seed. If you can send the Zags to the South region then you can send them to the Midwest.

Oh absolutely. And I want to emphasize again, NO ONE is afraid of Wisconsin. We just all respect them, and agree that they deserve a shot to make the Final Four. Being in UK's bracket they are not given even a fair shot at that.

I look at the 3 candidates for the last 1 seed at present. I'd rank them: 1. Wisconsin 2. Villanova 3. Arizona. The way I look at is this. Arizona lost to 3 crap teams, and plays in a crap conference that is getting 4 teams tops...and while simply moving them up to the 1 out west keeps the status quo, I just do not buy it. Villanova plays in a solid conference, but it is nothing special. The Big East is projected to get 6 teams. In comparison, the Big Ten is getting 7 perhaps, and Wisconsin has only ONE loss with their full team. If Jackson returns for the Big Ten tourney and they win it impressively, no way they do not get the 1 seed.

I'd also add this...if you give a 3 loss Wisconsin the last 1 over a 2 loss Villanova (who I still think will lose in their conference tourney to make this a semi-moot point/debate on the 1 seed), you can justify it to Villanova by keeping them closer to home in the east, with a UVA 1 seed that may never get its best player back. I think that is a better spot for Nova anyways. You cannot make the same argument geographically for Wisconsin if they are shipped to Cleveland with UK or even to Houston with Duke.

Of course, things can still change. If Duke loses to UNC (possible, but I doubt it) and in ACC Tourney, or UVA loses to UL and in the ACC tourney, etc, one of them could drop. I think UVA can lose in the ACC Tourney and be fine though. I tend to lean towards Duke surviving even if they lose at UNC, but rally to win the ACC Tourney. They could drop to the 4th one...which the committee would love as it would put them on UK's side of the bracket and not have two 1 seeds from the ACC on the same side.

 

[bucsrule8872]

Wisconsin gets a 1 seed if they win out and Duke loses @UNC and in the tourney.

If that happens:

Midwest- UK/Duke
East- UVA/KU
South- Nova/Zaga
West- UW/Zona

They will place everyone by geography the best that they can.

UK goes to Cleveland, of course.

UVA to Syracuse, of course.

Nova moves up one spot and goes to Houston.

UW is the last 1 seed and gets sent out West.

Duke is the top 2. They won't put Duke in the same bracket as UVA, so Duke gets Cleveland.

Zona would be the next 2 seed and stay out West.

Zaga is next and are displaced to Houston.

That leaves the lowest 2 seed, KU, going to Syracuse.

That is if Duke loses and everyone below them wins out.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Originally posted by bucsrule8872:
Wisconsin gets a 1 seed if they win out and Duke loses @UNC and in the tourney.

If that happens:

Midwest- UK/Duke
East- UVA/KU
South- Nova/Zaga
West- UW/Zona

They will place everyone by geography the best that they can.

UK goes to Cleveland, of course.

UVA to Syracuse, of course.

Nova moves up one spot and goes to Houston.

UW is the last 1 seed and gets sent out West.

Duke is the top 2. They won't put Duke in the same bracket as UVA, so Duke gets Cleveland.

Zona would be the next 2 seed and stay out West.

Zaga is next and are displaced to Houston.

That leaves the lowest 2 seed, KU, going to Syracuse.

That is if Duke loses and everyone below them wins out.

So UK gets the top 2...why not send them to the south? Duke is in the south...makes no logical sense for UK to get the top 2 seed in every bracketology possible. Your scenario would be an even bigger screw job than UK getting Wisconsin as Duke geographically can be put in Texas without the committee having to dodge questions on it too much.

Plus, once again, why are we screwing the #1 overall seed with the top 2 seed when THE COMMITTEE CHAIR said that won't happen and that BALANCING the brackets is the goal this year, with geography a distant 2nd. You are probably right, they are going to screw UK no matter what, but I guess I just want to believe the chair, he seemed like a honest guy.

 

[bucsrule8872]

^Durham to Cleveland= 545 miles.

Durham to Houston= 1,176 miles.

I

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Originally posted by bucsrule8872:
^Durham to Cleveland= 545 miles.

Durham to Houston= 1,176 miles.

I

Top 1 seed has NEVER been given the top 2 seed.

That should trump geography when the committee knows UK fans are going to have 80% of the arena in Cleveland.

And Duke is not going to be a 2 seed anyways so this discussion is a moot point honestly.
This post was edited on 3/6 12:47 PM by UKWildcats#8

 

[CatDaddy4daWin]

geez can we get Duke's bracket? I mean there's so many powerhouse teams on there. You'd think they were 30-0 and #1 overall seed by a mile. That bracket is just ridiculous. So Wisconsin, Iowa St, Wichita St and UL are our top 2-5 while Duke gets Gonzaga, Utah, Oklahoma and Arkansas? Give me a break.

This post was edited on 3/6 12:48 PM by CatDaddy4daWin

 

[ukbb2003]

The East is very weak in that bracket.

 

[Hjack]

Duke might have an Arkansas problem.

But of course, the SEC is down, so that could not ever happen.

 

[BoulderCat]

Who really knows what they'll do, but I don't see Wisconsin getting a 1 unless 'Nova loses in the BET. Maybe not even then if it's the title game. They often pretty much ignore tournament results. I also think UVa and Duke are safe regardless of what happens this weekend, and in the ACCT unless one loses tin he first game. I think we can ink in the Duke/Gonzaga pair.

Do I agree? No, but I suspect the committee's mind is largely made up except for parts of the rest of the field. I expect UK and UVa to have arguably the toughest path's to the Final 4.

As I've said before one of the more interesting things about 'Nova getting a 1 is I think they'd actually be better off as a 2 instead of going from Philly to potentially play Arizona before a Pac 12 crowd in a site within easy driving distance of Tucson.

 

[dezyDeco]

Originally posted by CatDaddy4daWin:
geez can we get Duke's bracket? I mean there's so many powerhouse teams on there. You'd think they were 30-0 and #1 overall seed by a mile. That bracket is just ridiculous. So Wisconsin, Iowa St, Wichita St and UL are our top 2-5 while Duke gets Gonzaga, Utah, Oklahoma and Arkansas? Give me a break.


This post was edited on 3/6 12:48 PM by CatDaddy4daWin

Truth!

Duke would probably get to pick their referees, as well.

 

[tmuck]

Go Wisky. Beat those Buckeyes Sunday, and win the BIG 10 tourney. Get that 1 seed, baby!!!

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Originally posted by BoulderCat:
Who really knows what they'll do, but I don't see Wisconsin getting a 1 unless 'Nova loses in the BET. Maybe not even then if it's the title game. They often pretty much ignore tournament results. I also think UVa and Duke are safe regardless of what happens this weekend, and in the ACCT unless one loses tin he first game. I think we can ink in the Duke/Gonzaga pair.

Do I agree? No, but I suspect the committee's mind is largely made up except for parts of the rest of the field. I expect UK and UVa to have arguably the toughest path's to the Final 4.

As I've said before one of the more interesting things about 'Nova getting a 1 is I think they'd actually be better off as a 2 instead of going from Philly to potentially play Arizona before a Pac 12 crowd in a site within easy driving distance of Tucson.

Exactly. You leave Villanova in the east with a weakened 1 in UVA without Anderson and playing close to home, while rewarding the clearly superior team in Wisconsin with the last 1 out west. Wisconsin has 1 loss at full strength.

I disagree on Villanova though...if they lose a game, no way they get the last one seed IMO. It is so easy to switch Villanova and Wisconsin as a 1/2 if the committee would seed them balanced as it should be. If it was seeded fairly you would have Villanova and Wisconsin both out west...but we can't have FAIR play can we? Not with the NCAA.

 

[bucsrule8872]

It all depends on how the committee ranks them.

Right now, most people have Nova as the last 1 seed, but it's debateable.

Right now I think most people see it this way:

1. UK- no one argues that.
2. UVA- ditto.
3. Duke- this one gets iffy if they lose tomorrow @UNC.
4. Nova- right now everyone has them as the last one.
5. UW- most people assume the committee has them as the top 2.
6. Zona- could be argued as the top 2.
7. Zaga- loss at home to a bubble team dropped them a bunch.
8. KU- highest RPI, but the most losses among the projected 2's.

I think UW over Zona and Zaga over KU might be debateable.

With an S-curve:

Midwest- UK/KU
East- UVA/Zaga
South- Duke/Zona
West- Nova/UW

Now there is no way they send UW West, Zona to the South, and Zaga to the East. That displaces too many teams. So the committee is going to use proximity for those 2 seeds to keep people closer to home. Zona in the West. UW in the Midwest. Zaga has to be displaced, so send them East and keep KU from traveling as far. That way only one team is displaced. They might send Zaga to Houston and KU to Syracuse so Zaga fans do not have as far to travel.

The committee might even go one step further and put Zona as the 1 out West and then they can keep Zaga as the 2 out West instead of displacing Nova or UW. The committee doesn't really see a big difference between a low 1 and a high 2 and with geography playing a major factor might move teams around a bit for teams 4-6.

Midwest- UK/UW
East- UVA/Nova
South- Duke/KU
West- Zona/Zaga

Everyone except Duke is at the closest site to their campus this way. UVA being above Duke means there is no way to give Duke their closest site (Syracuse). Fans may not like it, but coaches have stated in the past that they prefer a more geographic approach than sticking to a straight up S-curve. Travel wise, for teams and fans, this is the ideal set up for the top eight seeds.

But we all know the committee does some weird stuff every year and always argue their position even if it is way off from what everyone else thinks. They get to make the tourney, and as long as they play by the rules (which have so many loopholes it allows them to do what they want), then who can argue? Well, we will argue, but it will do no good. It's good television as well. It gives the talking heads something to discuss all week leading up to the games.

 

[kyjeff1]

I REALLY want UL to run into Arkansas or LSU and lose. They talk so much about how the SEC, beyond UK, is weak and that UK keeps getting beat by AAC/Big East teams that they beat easily. This would cause massive confusion amongst the UL fans because they wouldn't know what to say to UK fans any longer.