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Under Cal, after 25 games...

What an impressive graphic! And each year with an entirely different team. Cal is earning the right to be called UK's greatest coach ever. And that comes from an Old Fart who LOVED Coach Rupp.

2010 24-1 - Elite 8 - 11-2
2011 18-7 - Final 4 - 11-2
2012 24-1 - Champ - 14-1
2013 17-8 - NIT - 4-4
2014 19-6 - Runnerup - 10-5
2015 25-0 - Final 4 - 13-1
2016 19-6 - ?????
 
The one thing that makes me nervous about this team is the number of bad losses it has. UCLA, Ohio State, Auburn, Tennessee. I look at the UK teams that did well in the tournament and you don't see that many bad losses on their resumes. We seem to have found our identity the last three games, so maybe that won't jump up and bite us again.
 
Even more impressive:
28-7 for 80% in the regular season
13-3 for 81.3% in the SECT
0-1 in the NIT
22-4 for an amazing 84.6% in the NCAAT
Not bad for a guy that can't coach
Darryl
And in his spare time, Cal recruits historic classes, runs a clean program, promotes the University, handles the media, interacts with charities, and entertains me 365 days a year.

Clearly he's grossly overpaid.
 
2010 Elite 8
2011 Final Four
2012 National Champion
2013 NIT
2014 Runner Up
2015 Final Four
2016 ???

I know this isn't news but the fact that Cal has gotten us to the E8 every year except one and the FF four out of six years is unbelievable! Not to mention that we have only lost to UofL ONCE since 2010... Let that sink in a moment. We have only lost to our major rival one time in 7 years!!!! Truly amazing. I feel bad for even calling it a rivalry anymore.

The fact that he STILL has detractors inside (but mostly outside) of BBN is unreal. The man is the most consistent coach in a sport that uses the worst way to crown a champion possible. Instead of him being inducted into the HOF, they should just name it after him.

Outside of Kentucky Duke and coach K is considered by many to be the marquee program because of their 2 NC's during this span, however their 2 first round flame outs to 15 seeds mare their resume a bit. Losing to UofL in 2013 in the E8 isn't a knock though. This year they are shaky at best and there are whispers of them missing the tourney altogether

In 6 years Duke has 3 E8's, 2 FF's and 2 NC's compared to UK's 5 E8's, 4 FF's and 1 NC. Both are impressive, however you have to love the consistency that we have. If Duke misses the Tournament this year or has another early round flame out that will be 3 out of 7 years that they have failed to meet expectations. And had we just won either of the 2014/2015 years UK would be considered by all to be the king of the hill with NO challengers whatsoever!

Duke's tourney resume:
2010 NC (FF match-up with UK had we not lost to WV)
2011 Lost to 5 seed Arizona in S16 (E8 opponent would've been UK)
2012 Lost to 15 seed Lehigh in Round of 64 (E8 opponent would've been UK)
2013 Lost to 1 seed Louisville in E8 (No match-up with UK)
2014 Lost to 15 seed Mercer in Round of 64 (E8 opponent would've been UK)
2015 NC (NC match-up with UK had we not lost to Wisc)
2016 ???
 
The one thing that makes me nervous about this team is the number of bad losses it has. UCLA, Ohio State, Auburn, Tennessee. I look at the UK teams that did well in the tournament and you don't see that many bad losses on their resumes. We seem to have found our identity the last three games, so maybe that won't jump up and bite us again.
All of those losses (other than Tennessee) happened prior to Cal's 2016 tweaks.

Given the challenges of this team, those games aren't very relevant to March. (Let me add: our wins over Dook and Loserville don't matter much either.)
 
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The one thing that makes me nervous about this team is the number of bad losses it has. UCLA, Ohio State, Auburn, Tennessee. I look at the UK teams that did well in the tournament and you don't see that many bad losses on their resumes. We seem to have found our identity the last three games, so maybe that won't jump up and bite us again.

Most of those "Bad" losses were on the road. Ohio ST is the only one that can't be explained away. UCLA showed the world that this team got tight when the crowd got loud so every time we enter an opponents arena now we face a rowdy crowd (even more so than normal). Like you said though it appears that we have gotten past that. And we won't face a crowd like those in the tournament.
 
Most of those "Bad" losses were on the road. Ohio ST is the only one that can't be explained away. UCLA showed the world that this team got tight when the crowd got loud so every time we enter an opponents arena now we face a rowdy crowd (even more so than normal). Like you said though it appears that we have gotten past that. And we won't face a crowd like those in the tournament.

I agree, though you can "excuse" it to some degree. Tyler wasn't completely healthy against UCLA...first true road game. Ohio State hit an unusual amount of 3s and we shot poorly. We had huge leads against Tenn and Auburn, showing how dominant we can be. Those were bad losses, but many "top" teams have some bad losses as well.

Part of it is trying to figure out how to play. Now that we've accepted that we're a backcourt-dominant team we seem to be spreading the floor and letting our guards do their thing. Cal said teams without an interior presence are frauds. True, but all we need is a "presence" with our guard play. Let Kentucky be who we are, a team with arguably the best backcourt in the country.
 
All of those losses (other than Tennessee) happened prior to Cal's 2016 tweaks.

Given the challenges of this team, those games aren't very relevant to March. (Let me add: our wins over Dook and Loserville don't matter much either.)

Totally disagree with the bolded text. Those games may have been a long time ago and they may not be seen as top notch opponents, NOW, but they were when the game was being played. Our team had all the pressure to win the game and they could have easily gotten out of their rhythm and come out and played flat.

Just because our opponents have dropped like a rock doesn't mean that those games meant nothing. Those were momentum building games and they did a lot for this team to be where they are now. Just consider how you would feel if we lost one or both of those games.
 
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Totally disagree with the bolded text. Those games may have been a long time ago....
Sithlyone, I wasn't clear what I meant. I was saying: our team shouldn't be evaluated by what happened prior to the past month. Cal has made significant changes that have reconstituted our team. (Skal comes off bench with freedom to play high post, Willis starts and made a key focus of offense, etc.)
 
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Sithlyone, I wasn't clear what I meant. I was saying: our team shouldn't be evaluated by what happened prior to the past month. Cal has made significant changes that have reconstituted our team. (Skal comes off bench with freedom to play high post, Willis starts and made a key focus of offense, etc.)

Ok, I agree. We are a very different team now and we are playing quality basketball and we look good at it now.
 
All of those losses (other than Tennessee) happened prior to Cal's 2016 tweaks.

Given the challenges of this team, those games aren't very relevant to March. (Let me add: our wins over Dook and Loserville don't matter much either.)
This -

Last 8 games, our last 6 conference wins have come at an average of over 25 points, and those were only interrupted by that clunker @ UT and an OT loss @ Allen Fieldhouse.

That is not the profile of a wishy-washy team.

They are playing as well as anybody in the country in the last month, and they had one clunker in the stretch that they're going to avenge with fire and brimstone on Thursday.
 
And each year with an entirely different team.
That's the key part - should be underlined and in bold. And then the second part to emphasize is that each team depends greatly on freshmen. So many want to simply look at the talent he has every year. Yes, that's important. But those same people fail to acknowledge he basically starts over every year with a bunch of 18 year olds. If that's not great coaching, to succeed the way he does in that context......
 
That's the key part - should be underlined and in bold. And then the second part to emphasize is that each team depends greatly on freshmen. So many want to simply look at the talent he has every year. Yes, that's important. But those same people fail to acknowledge he basically starts over every year with a bunch of 18 year olds. If that's not great coaching, to succeed the way he does in that context......
Duke, UNC, Kansas, Arizona, etc have 5 stars coming off the bench half the time as well - they just happen to keep them as upperclassmen. So what happens when rival fans talk about "number of five stars recruited between (year) -(year)", is they make it sound like Cal is at an advantage over those guys roster-wise every season, when in reality, the key difference is merely that his rosters are younger.

Example:

Self might have 6 guys who were either 5* or a burger boy, spread fairly evenly between FR-SR.

Cal is likely to have 7, but it'll be something like 4 FR, 2 SO, and a JR.

So, because Self doesn't have to replace as many guys, over 5 years, maybe Cal has landed 20 of those types of kids, and Self has only landed 11 (again, they stuck around).


Louisville fan conclusion: See? Cal has twice as much talent as Self, of course his results are better!

Well, no - he has comparable talent per roster. Him having to get more per year just means that they're leaving sooner - and is actually a disadvantage because the rosters are younger. Don't you think he'd have an easier time coaching the same number of five stars, but spread evenly up to the senior class?
 
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Even more impressive:

28-7 for 80% in the regular season

13-3 for 81.3% in the SECT

0-1 in the NIT

22-4 for an amazing 84.6% in the NCAAT

Not bad for a guy that can't coach

Darryl
Yep.

And what makes the 22-4 even better is that it has come against incredibly stiff competition. We're not talking about any runs where UK came in as a 1 seed and saw its path to the FF and beyond open up because of upsets. Cal is 2-1 vs 1 seeds, 4-1 vs 2 seeds, 3-1 vs 3 seeds, 2-0 vs 4 seeds, and 2-0 vs 5 seeds.

Some people have no idea how incredible it is to win 9 games against top 3 seeds in 6 years. Pitino was 6-3 in those games, Tubby was 3--6, and Joe B (from 79, when seeding first started) was 2-3. When Duke was running off 5 straight FF appearances from 88 through 92, they only won 7 of those games.
 
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Looking at the players on the 2010 team, it still drives me crazy that they didn't win it all. They just needed one consistent outside shooter and they would have been unstoppable.
I think Cal has learned alot since 2010 in how to develop Freshman laden rosters. That's not a criticism because he has been plowing virgin soil. Heck, the Fab 5 had more maturity in their rotation than 2010.
 
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Looking at the players on the 2010 team, it still drives me crazy that they didn't win it all. They just needed one consistent outside shooter and they would have been unstoppable.
Meeks. Although no one can blame Meeks. He came in to play for Tubby, went through Gillispie's two years and was riding a great season into the draft.
 
As a Duke fan, I'm not impressed with UK's tourney results in the past 6 years.

With the following active NBA players:
John Wall
DeMarcus Cousins
Eric Bledsoe
Patrick Patterson
Terrence Jones
Brandon Knight
Archie Goodwin
Anthony Davis
Michael-Kidd Gilchrist
Nerlens Noel
Willie-Cauley Stein
Julius Randle
Karl-Anthony Towns
Devin Booker
Trey Lyles

The great Coach Cal was only able to win one national championship with all that NBA talent and actually went to the NIT in 2013 which is disgraceful for an elite program like UK given its talent even with Noel's injury.

Coach Cal is the greatest recruiter of all time but a B+ in-game coach at best. Ya"ll are a few lucky Aaron Harrison 3 pointers and a clutch Knight shot vs. Ohio State from having just a mediocre tournament record this decade.

The next 6 years won't be easy to repeat this success with Tom Izzo and Coach K's recent recruiting efforts.

Cal won't have more talent vs. MSU and Duke next year like he usually does. We"ll get to see his actual coaching chops.
Crazy his B+ coaching spanked Coach K this season. You have to remind me, wasn't it by double digits?
 
It's cute you felt the need to sign up and try to convince UK fans of your wild and crazy opinions.

UK has the #1 class next year, and this train isn't slowing down no matter how much you hope it does. But by all means, keep UK in your thoughts.

Now others can finish you off.
 
As a Duke fan, I'm not impressed with UK's tourney results in the past 6 years.

With the following active NBA players:
John Wall
DeMarcus Cousins
Eric Bledsoe
Patrick Patterson
Terrence Jones
Brandon Knight
Archie Goodwin
Anthony Davis
Michael-Kidd Gilchrist
Nerlens Noel
Willie-Cauley Stein
Julius Randle
Karl-Anthony Towns
Devin Booker
Trey Lyles

The great Coach Cal was only able to win one national championship with all that NBA talent and actually went to the NIT in 2013 which is disgraceful for an elite program like UK given its talent even with Noel's injury.

Coach Cal is the greatest recruiter of all time but a B+ in-game coach at best. Ya"ll are a few lucky Aaron Harrison 3 pointers and a clutch Knight shot vs. Ohio State from having just a mediocre tournament record this decade.

The next 6 years won't be easy to repeat this success with Tom Izzo and Coach K's recent recruiting efforts.

Cal won't have more talent vs. MSU and Duke next year like he usually does. We"ll get to see his actual coaching chops.

Cal's only loss to a lower seeded team was to 2-seed West Virginia. K lost to 15 seeds twice. How do you explain away that one?
 
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We were breaking in a freshman PG who really should be in his senior year of HS while Ulis is a 2nd year player.

What happened then will have nothing to do with what will happen if we run into each other in the Big Dance again.
Referees as usual had to give you the Virginia game!!
 
Rebounding is the key to all those final four teams. Every team had atleast 1 dominate rebounder.
 
As a Duke fan, I'm not impressed with UK's tourney results in the past 6 years.

With the following active NBA players:
John Wall
DeMarcus Cousins
Eric Bledsoe
Patrick Patterson
Terrence Jones
Brandon Knight
Archie Goodwin
Anthony Davis
Michael-Kidd Gilchrist
Nerlens Noel
Willie-Cauley Stein
Julius Randle
Karl-Anthony Towns
Devin Booker
Trey Lyles

The great Coach Cal was only able to win one national championship with all that NBA talent and actually went to the NIT in 2013 which is disgraceful for an elite program like UK given its talent even with Noel's injury.

Coach Cal is the greatest recruiter of all time but a B+ in-game coach at best. Ya"ll are a few lucky Aaron Harrison 3 pointers and a clutch Knight shot vs. Ohio State from having just a mediocre tournament record this decade.

The next 6 years won't be easy to repeat this success with Tom Izzo and Coach K's recent recruiting efforts.

Cal won't have more talent vs. MSU and Duke next year like he usually does. We"ll get to see his actual coaching chops.
What a jackass you are.
 
We were breaking in a freshman PG who really should be in his senior year of HS while Ulis is a 2nd year player.

What happened then will have nothing to do with what will happen if we run into each other in the Big Dance again.

You want absolutely nothing to do with this team and you know it.
We have the best backcourt in America and you have well you have Plumlee the Lesser.
You come over here spewing crap about a Coach that has taken UK to 4 FFs including a title in the last 5 yrs.
Your here because your scared because you know what is happening in Lexington.
Now get back to your D and D or to your board with 2 fans on it.
 
We were breaking in a freshman PG who really should be in his senior year of HS while Ulis is a 2nd year player.

What happened then will have nothing to do with what will happen if we run into each other in the Big Dance again.
Referees as usual had to give you the Virginia game!!
 
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