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UNC Fans on IC Seem Little Concerned About NCAA

Some funny stuff over on the Rivals Heel board:

From Mikeirbyusa: Why? They had a ATHLETIC SCANDAL pure and simple, we have an academic scandal.

Strumminggram: I don't think this guarantees anything about UNC, either. The NCAA is actually complicit in the AFAM situation. I don't see anything coming from that. The more time goes by with no outcome, the better.

Gary-7: There was no effort within the UNC basketball program to cut corners, nor to "steer" players. Only the football program committed actual NCAA infractions. The only remote taint with basketball was during Doherty's tenure of not acting on some red flags about too many players gravitating to AFAM courses and majors. That is far from a culpable offense. Not that the NCAA is above inventing things from time to time, but that would be a hugely unwarranted stretch.


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Are they seriously this delusional? One of them in another thread states:

i think the biggest differences that might benefit UNC is that the
syracuse issue was primarily in the basketball program whereas the
independent studies done at UNC have exonerated the basketball program,
also the football program has already served probation, postseason bans,
and loss of scholarships.


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They didn't do anything. Not requiring athletes to go to class is something that all schools do. And providing them with cars and such is another thing that all schools do. And helping the parents of athletes start up businesses. All schools do that. What's the problem?
 
after reading like the first 5 post I had to pick my jaw off the floor. some dude brought up fake classes and the response he got was they were not fake classes just easy one's. that like telling your boss I didn't actually call into work I was only 7 and 1/2 hours late. And then they talk like the NCAA is out to get them. It is like the twilight zone, makes my head hurt trying to make sense of it....but no worries we are ruining college basketball
 
In a week where the UNC administration has (yet again) dismissed yet another University employee over this academic scandal, the fans continue to look in the most obscure/oddball directions to try and pervert the facts of this case to make it look like Basketball is 100% absolved. They would happily accept the Football death penalty if it meant not touching one piece of lint on the Hoops program.

Mindboggling.
 
Originally posted by Neue Regel:

In a week where the UNC administration has (yet again) dismissed yet another University employee over this academic scandal, the fans continue to look in the most obscure/oddball directions to try and pervert the facts of this case to make it look like Basketball is 100% absolved. They would happily accept the Football death penalty if it meant not touching one piece of lint on the Hoops program.

Mindboggling.
You raise a good point. And, it was that employee who abused her position as head of the faculty to tell other faculty to change their report so that it doesn't raise an issue with the NCAA.

And, she was ALSO the academic advisor to the WOMEN'S bball program. It wasn't just a football issue as they are claiming.
 
Originally posted by Neue Regel:

In a week where the UNC administration has (yet again) dismissed yet another University employee over this academic scandal, the fans continue to look in the most obscure/oddball directions to try and pervert the facts of this case to make it look like Basketball is 100% absolved. They would happily accept the Football death penalty if it meant not touching one piece of lint on the Hoops program.

Mindboggling.
It reminds me of the 5 Stages of Grief: denial, bargaining, anger, depression, and acceptance. Many in the collective consciousness of UNC sports are firmly rooted in the denial stage at this point...
 
Why should the UNC fans be concerned? They know as well as we do that the NCAA is going to do nothing to them. Their won't even be the proverbial slap on the wrist. The punishment Syracuse got will cover UNC also.
 
^^^True. Heck UNC would throw him out tonight if NCAA promised they don't touch Dean Smith's records.
 
All due respect to Coach Smith, I'm glad he doesn't have to see the penalty.
 
Originally posted by wildcatdonf:
They didn't do anything. Not requiring athletes to go to class is something that all schools do. And providing them with cars and such is another thing that all schools do. And helping the parents of athletes start up businesses. All schools do that. What's the problem?
They also rent houses to known drug dealers and then feign surprise when the ex-player is caught selling drugs out of the house. This is common.
 
Originally posted by drbubba:
All due respect to Coach Smith, I'm glad he doesn't have to see the penalty.
Why?!? Ol big nose is the one who orchestrated the whole thing. It should sicken you he and that other phony, John Wooden, are presented as saints when they were the two most corrupt coaches in ncaa history.
 
Originally posted by MdWIldcat55:
I found it instructive to read the comments on the New York Times story about Boeheim and Syracuse. Several of the most recommended reader comments said what happened to Syracuse was fine, but the UNC debacle was much, much more serious and needed to be dealt with even more harshly.

That's the perception of the national audience that reads the Times. I think the NCAA understands that. People across the country would be stunned in UNC didn't get more severe penalties than any that have gone before. The NCAA is a political organization. No way it ignores that.
UNC is going to get hammered and hammered hard. Anyone who thinks other wise is delusional. I think b/c of how ESPN ignores the scandel some think that UNC is going get of lightly but there was been way too much uproar for them to try that now . UNC is going down hard , whether it be this summer or next spring . The NCAA will nail them to a wall .
 
Originally posted by Neue Regel:

In a week where the UNC administration has (yet again) dismissed yet another University employee over this academic scandal, the fans continue to look in the most obscure/oddball directions to try and pervert the facts of this case to make it look like Basketball is 100% absolved. They would happily accept the Football death penalty if it meant not touching one piece of lint on the Hoops program.

Mindboggling.
All of us, no matter how intelligent we think we might be, sometimes see what we want to. I've always thought UNC to be a very good school, and I'm fairly certain that's what happening with a lot of their fan base. They just don't want to believe it. The way I read it though the basketball program was very definitely involved. If ever there has ever been a case for lack of institutional control I think this is it. The AFAM program may have begun with noble intent, but it went seriously astray, and was allowed to continue. I don't think there is any doubt as to why. Keeping player's eligible. And that's just plain cheating the rules. Sure, some athlete's across the country choose majors and classes that may not be the most intellectually challenging, but directing them to one program which didn't even hold classes is a different matter. And sadly it not only cheated the NCAA, it also cheated those young people.
 
There's no reason to expect the NCAA to act consistently. I think those who are waiting on UNC to get nailed will be sorely disappointed.
 
I have to say that reading THR is interesting. Rasing Heel just jumped into the discussion and is being honest with the facts. Another long time poster is laughing at Gary-7 for saying that only the football team committed any actual NCAA infractions.
 
Mikeirbyusa,

Thanks for coming over and reading our threads. For the record, you do realize that the cheating began with Dean Smyth and continued thru Roy, don't you?

BTW, thanks for the reminder that UK hasn't had a serious NCAA violation since the 1980's. Good luck with the NCAA!
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Originally posted by JumperJack:
There's no reason to expect the NCAA to act consistently. I think those who are waiting on UNC to get nailed will be sorely disappointed.
Nope . Sorry way to much uproar by people and insititutions that normally don't pay attention to CBB for this to slide. I do think they will get off easier then they should but they still will be banned from the tourney for 2-3 years and lose 15 ships or so . And have to vacate a ton ,and i mean a ton of wins .
 
Originally posted by preacherfan:

Mikeirbyusa,

Thanks for coming over and reading our threads. For the record, you do realize that the cheating began with Dean Smyth and continued thru Roy, don't you?

BTW, thanks for the reminder that UK hasn't had a serious NCAA violation since the 1980's. Good luck with the NCAA!
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One of the worst mods on rivals... and clearly none too bright, either.

He would've been a great Nazi.
 
The NCAA wouldn't dare slap a school like Cuse around while completely ignoring UNC. Cuse is not like some small mid-major that the NCAA has a history of slapping around and no one caring about it. Cuse's lawyers would be all over it and they would get plenty of support.
 
Originally posted by UK till Death:


Originally posted by preacherfan:

Mikeirbyusa,

Thanks for coming over and reading our threads. For the record, you do realize that the cheating began with Dean Smyth and continued thru Roy, don't you?

BTW, thanks for the reminder that UK hasn't had a serious NCAA violation since the 1980's. Good luck with the NCAA!
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One of the worst mods on rivals... and clearly none too bright, either.

He would've been a great Nazi.
I was having a boring day until his post about this thread.
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Yep, he isn't too bright. He should have never told us that he was reading it. That just gives us more ammo to KNOW they are reading everything we post.
 
Originally posted by LmdCat:
The NCAA wouldn't dare slap a school like Cuse around while completely ignoring UNC.
Not to mention that Syracuse has more graduates in broadcasting/journalism than any other school in the country.
 
Originally posted by preacherfan:

Mikeirbyusa,

Thanks for coming over and reading our threads. For the record, you do realize that the cheating began with Dean Smyth and continued thru Roy, don't you?

BTW, thanks for the reminder that UK hasn't had a serious NCAA violation since the 1980's. Good luck with the NCAA!
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Rafters, pack pride, their own site. That must a be a lot of reading and the angst must be heavy as they are exposed to the truth and Rafters and Pack pride not just letting this all go so they can "move forward".
 
Speaking of Cuse grads. Not a mention of this from Pete Thamel on twitter.
 
Originally posted by preacherfan:
Originally posted by UK till Death:


Originally posted by preacherfan:

Mikeirbyusa,

Thanks for coming over and reading our threads. For the record, you do realize that the cheating began with Dean Smyth and continued thru Roy, don't you?

BTW, thanks for the reminder that UK hasn't had a serious NCAA violation since the 1980's. Good luck with the NCAA!
wink.r191677.gif
One of the worst mods on rivals... and clearly none too bright, either.

He would've been a great Nazi.
I was having a boring day until his post about this thread.
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Yep, he isn't too bright. He should have never told us that he was reading it. That just gives us more ammo to KNOW they are reading everything we post.
And yet, he is 10 times better than that idiot HeelBent.
 
No matter what happens in the UNC scandal....they ALL know in their hearts the program is as dirty as they come. All they care about is sweeping it under the rug. They don't want truth or justice.

They are just like a dirty priest that rapes children and then stands in front of the church pretending to be perfect. They both just want to get away with it and hide their sins.
 
The NCAA ruled that Montana State was guilty of a "lack of institutional
control" in 1993 - the same time Emmert belonged to the university's
senior management team along with Jim Isch, now Emmert's chief operating
officer at the NCAA. The case related to academic fraud involving an
assistant men's basketball coach and a recruit. The NCAA didn't rule on
the case until after Emmert left for UConn in 1995. Emmert, who was
Montana State's provost and vice president for academic affairs, told
USA TODAY Sports he wasn't aware of the case and he did not oversee
athletics at Montana State.[2]
 
Emmert left UConn in 1999 to become chancellor of LSU. In 1999,
Emmert hired Nick Saban as football coach. LSU went on to win the BCS
Championship in 2004 under Saban's tutelage. In 2001-02, a university
instructor made accusations of widespread academic fraud in the school's
football program, including plagiarized papers and un-enrolled students
showing up in class to take notes for football players who often slept
through class. At the time, LSU was already on NCAA probation due to
violations in the men's basketball program for violations that predated
Emmert's employment. Emmert led the investigation into the academic
fraud allegations and found only minor violations. The report stated
"Despite isolated incidents, the allegations were largely unfounded."
The NCAA accepted LSU's finding and self-imposed minor penalties (loss
of two football scholarships) and declined to put the school on
probation. Subsequently, two females sued the university for forcing
them from their jobs as a result of whistle blowing about the academic
fraud. The lawsuits were settled for $110,000 for each person. During
the case, an employee of the academic counseling center confirmed the
women's claims under oath, including changed grades for football
players.

In 2002, Emmert became the highest paid head of a public campus.[[2]
 
Originally posted by wildcatdonf:


Emmert left UConn in 1999 to become chancellor of LSU. In 1999,
Emmert hired Nick Saban as football coach. LSU went on to win the BCS
Championship in 2004 under Saban's tutelage. In 2001-02, a university
instructor made accusations of widespread academic fraud in the school's
football program, including plagiarized papers and un-enrolled students
showing up in class to take notes for football players who often slept
through class. At the time, LSU was already on NCAA probation due to
violations in the men's basketball program for violations that predated
Emmert's employment. Emmert led the investigation into the academic
fraud allegations and found only minor violations. The report stated
"Despite isolated incidents, the allegations were largely unfounded."
The NCAA accepted LSU's finding and self-imposed minor penalties (loss
of two football scholarships) and declined to put the school on
probation. Subsequently, two females sued the university for forcing
them from their jobs as a result of whistle blowing about the academic
fraud. The lawsuits were settled for $110,000 for each person. During
the case, an employee of the academic counseling center confirmed the
women's claims under oath, including changed grades for football
players.

In 2002, Emmert became the highest paid head of a public campus.[[2]


Good find. Here's a direct link.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2013/04/02/ncaa-president-emmert-previous-cases-uconn-lsu/2047607/
 
In 2006, the UW established the Husky Promise,
a guarantee that tuition and fees will be covered for lower-income
students from Washington state who are accepted to the UW. The UW also
has increased access for Washington students by expanding UW Tacoma
to four-year programs in the fall of 2006. The UW is now looking to add
a fourth campus north of Seattle to better serve the residents of North
Puget Sound. The UW Seattle campus is expanding with the purchase of
the Safeco property in the University District, adding about 500,000
square feet (46,000 m2) of building space.

Under Emmert's tenure, the UW received more than $1 billion in grant
and contract research funding for the fiscal year that ended June 30,
2007. This marked the first time the UW received more than $1 billion in
funding for sponsored research in a single year. The UW has been the
top public university in federal research funding since 1974 and among
the top five universities, public and private, in federal funding since
1969. In recent years, it has been second only to The Johns Hopkins University.

In 2006, under Emmert's presidency, the university created the [3]

In August 2007, Emmert announced that the UW would open an office in
Beijing to lay the groundwork for expanding the university's presence in
China.ambassador of the People's Republic of China to the United States.

In January 2007, the fundraising goal for Campaign UW: Creating
Futures was increased to $2.5 billion after the campaign reached its
initial $2 billion goal 17 months ahead of schedule.more than $2.6 billion.
The UW has received a number of transformational gifts during Emmert's
presidency, including a gift in fall of 2007 from the Foster Family
Foundation leading to the business school at the Seattle campus being
named the Michael G. Foster School of Business.

Emmert has been courted by the University of Wisconsin, University of
North Carolina - Chapel Hill, Cornell University, the University of
California System, and the Louisiana State University System over the
past several years. In February 2008, Emmert turned down an offer from
Vanderbilt University that might have made him the most highly paid
college leader in the nation.[7]
In addition, he received $200,000 compensation for serving on the board
of Expeditors International and $140,000 for serving on the board of
Weyerhaeuser, giving him a total annual compensation of over $1.2
million.[8]
In 2009, Emmert's base salary at the University of Washington was
$620,000 per year, but his total compensation package was $906,500
annually, which made him the second highest earning public university
president in the United States behind [9]
 
On April 27, 2010, Emmert was named President of the Indianapolis, Indiana.
He assumed his duties on November 1, 2010. His most controversial
decision as President has been the fines and penalties imposed upon the Jerry Sandusky sex abuse scandal,
which included the loss of scholarships, the suspension of post-season
competition, the vacancy of past wins, and a $60 million fine to be used
to fund a charity combating child abuse. The NCAA Division I Board of
Directors and NCAA Executive Committee directed Emmert to examine the
circumstances and determine appropriate action in consultation with
these presidential bodies. Ed Ray, Executive Committee chair and Oregon
State president, said that while there has been much speculation on
whether the NCAA [10]
had the authority to impose any type of penalty related to Penn State,
the Executive Committee concluded the egregious behavior not only goes
against NCAA rules and constitution but also against the NCAA's values.

The basis of the Consent Decree, the Freeh Report, has been shown to
draw inferences that are overreaching and are not supported empirically.[13]
Mr. Emmert's rush to judgment action drew strong negative reactions
from the media, who generally believed he overstepped his boundary and
he did not provide Penn State the due process they believed was
required.[14]

On March 18, 2014, Emmert was a guest on Mike & Mike.
During his appearance, an #AskEmmert hashtag was used to propose
questions for Emmert. While well-intended, the hashtag was quickly used
by the public to air grievances about NCAA actions and express general
disapproval with Emmert's presidency.[15]

On January 16, 2015, Senator Corman from the Commonwealth of
Pennsylvania handed Mark Emmert a major legal loss by forcing the NCAA
to back off completely on the unlawfully-crafted Consent Decree with
Penn State.[16]
Major news media outlets lambasted Emmert for his rush to judgment and
started asking whether the culture at the NCAA is broken under Emmert's
leadership.Joe Paterno et al.
 
Originally posted by LmdCat:
The NCAA wouldn't dare slap a school like Cuse around while completely ignoring UNC. Cuse is not like some small mid-major that the NCAA has a history of slapping around and no one caring about it. Cuse's lawyers would be all over it and they would get plenty of support.
I agree, also Boheim is just outspoken enough to really cause a stink over it. Wasn't he the one last year that went off in a game against Duke over a call against his team?
 
After what Syracuse got today, UNC should be nervous. They should get what Syracuse plus more.

Having said that, I doubt anything happens to UNC. Just have no faith that the NCAA has the guts to punish their golden child. If this were UK that had all of this that happened, the NCAA would have already doled out the punishment and possibly gave the death penalty.

If UNC gets anything I will be shocked.
 
Boxill was caught making Bruce Pearl-level statements encouraging deception. And we all know what happened to him.
 
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