Unbelievable: Beamer’s Buyout NEXT Year is 17 Million!!

[The-Hack]

There’s a lengthy thread discussing it on the Gamecock Forum.

Did their AD honestly think anyone would come after Beamer? And had he sustained success, USCe could have matched any offer when it was made.

“Totally. They slid that extension in when everyone was riding a high at the end of last season. Beamer received a $4mil a year raise and his contract was extended through 2027. The buyout is 65% of the contract. Yikes! He's probably our coach for at least five years.”

 

[RunninRichie]

The USC hype preseason was hilarious.

 

[The-Hack]

The USC hype preseason was hilarious.

The only variable for a 5-7 Gamecock finish is time!

 

[seccats04]

The USC hype preseason was hilarious.

Yea, I didn't understand it. I knew they had Rattler and Wells on offense and Hemingway and Emmanwori on defense but the rest of their starters did not look impressive to me. Especially when you consider most of their OL was G5 transfers, their LT was injured during the spring and they have two scholarship RB's, one of whom transferred from FCS.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Tanner has given several contracts with generous buyouts for the coaches. Muschamp had a very generous buyout after a couple of good seasons before things went the other way.. Tanner is an old school AD that came from the coaching profession instead of an administrator that almost everyone is going to today.

 

[bthaunert]

His 65% number as a buyout is actually on the low end for coaches. $17 million is not bad for a contract that expires in 4 years….that’s how crazy coaching contracts are these days.

 

[JPFisher]

Does the contract also include lower extremity insurance?

 

[FirewithFire]

I'm not laughing at USC or anyone else until we beat them. Even if that happens, our AD hasn't exactly shown exemplar decision making where contracts are concerned.

 

[K_TIME]

Why are we saying a word...>Stoops is under contract for 9M a year thru 2031

I am not sure of the full payout details if he's fired before....but by my math UK owes Stoops $72M after the conclusion of this season. So whose in a tighter spot...UK or USC. I'd argue UK is in some light.

UK has our own version of the "swamp" whereby Cal, Stoops, Mitch and Capiluto are all getting raises out the ass and the results don't add up to the money going out the door.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

UK BB is and has been an elite brand ever since I can remember. A coach looking to coach at one of the blue bloods of college basketball would at least be interested. The BB crowd expects at least elite 8 results every year. But when CMS took the job as UK's FB coach there was practically no brand nationwide and fans were hoping to get to a bowl. Today, UK football is recruiting on a near national level, the fans are expecting a New Year's Day bowl at least. What price do you put on those accomplishments?

 

[Juan4UK]

Why are we saying a word...>Stoops is under contract for 9M a year thru 2031

I am not sure of the full payout details if he's fired before....but by my math UK owes Stoops $72M after the conclusion of this season. So whose in a tighter spot...UK or USC. I'd argue UK is in some light.

UK has our own version of the "swamp" whereby Cal, Stoops, Mitch and Capiluto are all getting raises out the ass and the results don't add up to the money going out the door.

dude, this fanbase will happily keep stoops til 31. Anybody who doesn't enjoy Stoops UK vs non Stoops UK can go pound sand. We got a shot to COMPETE and win in 95% of the games we play in. After a lifetime of consistent beatdowns and humiliation highlight plays for everyones else's Sports Centers Top 10's... I'll take Stoops and Marrow everyday until they decide to hang it up. UK will never ever have the financial resources to maintain a dynasty type program. His brand is a pretty good representation of Kentuckians imho

 

[azubuikefan]

dude, this fanbase will happily keep stoops til 31. Anybody who doesn't enjoy Stoops UK vs non Stoops UK can go pound sand. We got a shot to COMPETE and win in 95% of the games we play in. After a lifetime of consistent beatdowns and humiliation highlight plays for everyones else's Sports Centers Top 10's... I'll take Stoops and Marrow everyday until they decide to hang it up. UK will never ever have the financial resources to maintain a dynasty type program. His brand is a pretty good representation of Kentuckians imho

Yeah maybe I'm stuck on the past, but I am seriously worried about falling back to 4 and 8 records every year with the occasional 7 and 5 record post Stoops.

 

[JPFisher]

Yeah maybe I'm stuck on the past, but I am seriously worried about falling back to 4 and 8 records every year with the occasional 7 and 5 record post Stoops.

I'm hopeful that the facilities and pay UK is shelling out is enough to lure a good/great coach when the time comes.

 

[entropy13]

There’s a lengthy thread discussing it on the Gamecock Forum.

Did their AD honestly think anyone would come after Beamer? And had he sustained success, USCe could have matched any offer when it was made.

“Totally. They slid that extension in when everyone was riding a high at the end of last season. Beamer received a $4mil a year raise and his contract was extended through 2027. The buyout is 65% of the contract. Yikes! He's probably our coach for at least five years.”

USCe may have a way out. A little known clause in the contract indicates that the buyout may take the form of both merchandise and advertising/marketing gigs from the Oakley sunglasses company.

 

[K_TIME]

dude, this fanbase will happily keep stoops til 31. Anybody who doesn't enjoy Stoops UK vs non Stoops UK can go pound sand. We got a shot to COMPETE and win in 95% of the games we play in. After a lifetime of consistent beatdowns and humiliation highlight plays for everyones else's Sports Centers Top 10's... I'll take Stoops and Marrow everyday until they decide to hang it up. UK will never ever have the financial resources to maintain a dynasty type program. His brand is a pretty good representation of Kentuckians imho

I have no desire to move off away from Stoops.....but let's be fair.

1. He was making $6.5M and Mitch raised him to over $9M last year....and for what reason? Hell...it was announced after the home Vandy loss. We had a bad year...there was zero leverage from Stoops to get more money.
2. People act like UK was Vandy before Stoops...not true at all. Joker bad job bottomed the program out and Stoops did inherit 2 win team. But Brooks has regularly in Music City level bowls for like 5 years in a row. So everybody pretends UK was a 2 win program for 5-7 years...and that is not true. UK made a bad decision in Joker and fired him quickly ...Brooks had brought up the program to a respectable level
3. I don't think it will happen...but what if next year...we have no idea about QB, RB and plenty of tackles questions marks.....and go 3-9. And what if Bolley isn't ready in 1-2 years and we have a bad year in 2025 as well....and you still owe Stoops thru 2031. Mitch is just giving away money and Ky has all the risk and coaches don't have to really as much expectations as I think we should be expecting.

The current contract is essentially another lifetime contract like he gave to Cal. If Stoops had made the playoffs once or even the NY6....maybe. But to get this kind of contract was foolish by Mitch and Stoops wasn't leaving...

 

[bigbluedon]

What is with these foolish AD’s giving these coaches these ridiculous buyouts all of the time. It is ruining the game. Teams get stuck with these guys that they can’t fire. Just amazingly stupid and Mitch is right there with the A&M AD and that contract for Jimbo. I had more faith in Mitch before he gave Cal the fat increase and he really screwed the pooch with Stoops’ raise. Morons.

 

[FirewithFire]

dude, this fanbase will happily keep stoops til 31. Anybody who doesn't enjoy Stoops UK vs non Stoops UK can go pound sand. We got a shot to COMPETE and win in 95% of the games we play in. After a lifetime of consistent beatdowns and humiliation highlight plays for everyones else's Sports Centers Top 10's... I'll take Stoops and Marrow everyday until they decide to hang it up. UK will never ever have the financial resources to maintain a dynasty type program. His brand is a pretty good representation of Kentuckians imho

I'm not calling for Stoops to be fired...yet. imo Barnhardt is the problem.

The fact is that Stoops is the ninth highest paid coach in the country and has one of the highest paid staffs to boot. The coaches that he is ahead of are some of the best in the country that year in and year out produce teams that compete in NYD 6 bowls. He is making more than Harbaugh is at Michigan. Our facilities are some of the best in the nation too. They are running Super Bowls ads for goodness sakes.

Money is not an issue. Rich Brooks built this program from shambles to being a contender and did it without half the funding Stoops has. Hell, if Rich Brooks had this kind of funding we would have been dancing for an SEC title at the very least.

What the fanbase, and the state, are getting for the investment is the problem. He received a 33% raise and I haven't seen improvement on any of the glaring issues that have been here since he started. Team discipline is a joke. The special teams are anything but special. Game preparation and management are questionable at best. The rotating door at OC, etc. Those are not problems that a 9m a year coach should have.

 

[The-Hack]

2. People act like UK was Vandy before Stoops...not true at all.

Uhhh. We were just a narrow cut above Vandy when Stoops came here, historically, and Franklin defeated us 38-0 the season before Stoops.

In more than 110 years of football, we had had two (2) double-digit winning seasons . . . and Vandy, Iowa State and IU had none. We were the 4th longest streak without a 10 win season in the nation in 2013, exceeded only by Vandy, Iowa State and IU.

Since 1933, in the SEC, Vandy 212 wins, 459 losses . . . 31.54%

Since 1933, in the SEC, UK 201 wins, 431 losses, 31.80%.

When Stoops arrived, we had a head-to-head advantage on Vandy, 42-40!!

And combining our record against our traditionally weakest OOC opponents, Kansas, K-State, and IU, with our weakest conference rival, Vandy, we were a combined 61-64, in 2013.

There are more parallels between the two programs than we would choose to admit, most of our greater Bowl appearance numbers, and advantage in numbers of weeks ranked in the AP coming from Bear’s best 5 years.

On the list of the longest annual football losing streaks, Vandy earns three mentions, and UK two.

Most consecutive NCAA football wins over one opponent - Wikipedia

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If our football resume’ exceeded Vandy’s in 2013, it was by a thread, and largely based upon a brief post-war era that only those older than 65 in 2013 could remember.

 

[The-Hack]

Rich Brooks built this program from shambles to being a contender

Lol.

Rich Brooks never defeated a Top 25 team in the post-season.

He seriously contended for a post season ranking for four seasons, and failed.

He never finished Top 25!

He never had a winning record in the SEC.

Yet, justifiably, he is admired by me and you, as he was one of the best 4 Coaches in our history.

And that is a clear indictment of our history!!

 

[bigbluedon]

Lol.

Rich Brooks never defeated a Top 25 team in the post-season.

He seriously contended for a post season ranking for four seasons, and failed.

He never finished Top 25!

He never had a winning record in the SEC.

Yet, justifiably, he is admired by me and you, as he was one of the best 4 Coaches in our history.

And that is a clear indictment of our history!!

But Rich is twice the coach that Stoops is. If he had the same talent that Stoops has had he would have won way more than Stoops.

 

[JrandoUK]

The USC hype preseason was hilarious.

It’s every damn year and they are consistently mediocre at best…

 

[FirewithFire]

Lol.

Rich Brooks never defeated a Top 25 team in the post-season.

He seriously contended for a post season ranking for four seasons, and failed.

He never finished Top 25!

Brooks also made 1M for his troubles and had none of the advantages that Stoops currently enjoys even though he begged for all of them.

The point is, if you are going to shell out 9m to a coach, 1.7m to an OC, 1.5m to a DC, and 1.2m to a tight ends coach/recruiter then you shouldn't have the kind of crap going on that we do right now.

 

[K_TIME]

Uhhh. We were just a narrow cut above Vandy when Stoops came here, historically, and Franklin defeated us 38-0 the season before Stoops.

In more than 110 years of football, we had had two (2) double-digit winning seasons . . . and Vandy, Iowa State and IU had none. We were the 4th longest streak without a 10 win season in the nation in 2013, exceeded only by Vandy, Iowa State and IU.

Since 1933, in the SEC, Vandy 212 wins, 459 losses . . . 31.54%

Since 1933, in the SEC, UK 201 wins, 431 losses, 31.80%.

When Stoops arrived, we had a head-to-head advantage on Vandy, 42-40!!

And combining our record against our traditionally weakest OOC opponents, Kansas, K-State, and IU, with our weakest conference rival, Vandy, we were a combined 61-64, in 2013.

There are more parallels between the two programs than we would choose to admit, most of our greater Bowl appearance numbers, and advantage in numbers of weeks ranked in the AP coming from Bear’s best 5 years.

On the list of the longest annual football losing streaks, Vandy earns three mentions, and UK two.

Most consecutive NCAA football wins over one opponent - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

If our football resume’ exceeded Vandy’s in 2013, it was by a thread, and largely based upon a brief post-war era that only those older than 65 in 2013 could remember.

Nice rants without context

1. Uk played an 11 game slate until 16 years ago..so an extra game (which all Ky does and every other program is added a cupcake)
2. I love how you act like Brooks was a nothing burger as coach. He did a good job and beat good teams while at Ky…..LSU auburn UGA etc
3. For the record I do believe Stiops is better than Brooks but let’s stop wjtb Uk was a dead end job ..joker sucked but we had some success in sec

 

[ncaaky]

Beamer has a hell of a recruiting class coming in next season. They will get better and better. Muschamp left the cupboard bare.

 

[bigbluedon]

Brooks also made 1M for his troubles and had none of the advantages that Stoops currently enjoys even though he begged for all of them.

The point is, if you are going to shell out 9m to a coach, 1.7m to an OC, 1.5m to a DC, and 1.2m to a tight ends coach/recruiter then you shouldn't have the kind of crap going on that we do right now.

And it’s year after year after year.

 

[The-Hack]

but we had some success in sec

Here’s your context: we were slightly behind Vandy for long-term SEC winning percentage (1933-2013), when Stoops arrived, and have just nosed ahead of them by a fraction. At the end of the day, historically we are what our record shows. We have an extra cupcake with the rest of college football, but we have 90 plus years of SEC winning percentages that are the true consistent measuring stick.

But Rich is twice the coach that Stoops is. If he had the same talent that Stoops has had he would have won way more than Stoops.

An unproven hypothesis: he was the lead recruiter and couldn’t land the talent or build the depth. He was blessed with a home grown generational talent in Andre Woodson.

If we are dealing with hypothetical shifting of talent, what could Stoops do with a Couch, or a Woodson combined with his stiff defense?

Claiborne is in the HOF, which (unofficially) requires a 60 percent winning rate to be voted in.

I think in his prime, Claiborne could have held his own with Stoops with equal talent.

I admired both Brooks and Claiborne, but our current complaints about having “plateaued” were just as loud with their Hall of Fame/Music City/Liberty Bowls as it is now with Stoops’ Gator/Citrus/Music City stretch. . . the main difference being that the Music City Bowl was Brooks ceiling, and Stoops’ floor.

 

[The-Hack]

but let’s stop wjtb Uk was a dead end job ..joker sucked but we had some success in sec

Sure, we pitched occasional .500 seasons in the SEC from 1978 until 2013 (6 of them) but never three-in-a-row until Stoops, nor a winning SEC slate, until Stoops. Our six .500 seasons from 1978 until 2013 are matched by six seasons with no SEC wins. I enjoyed our two year run from 1976 until 1977, but question how it was created.

As to a Dead End Job, we fired Collier in 1962, who then won NFL titles in Cleveland, but thereafter, Charley Bradshaw, John Ray, Fran Curci, Jerry Claiborne, Bill Curry, Hal Mumme, Rich Brooks and Joker Phillips left by either retirement or termination, with only one Coach, Guy Morris, getting an offer from another school: a then fairly poor Baylor program, where he petered out pretty quickly.

Over 51 years we had 8 Coaches fired or retired out to one who left for a similar job.

 

[The-Hack]

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then you shouldn't have the kind of crap going on that we do right now.

This kind of crap?

I’m 60 years old.

If “this kind of crap” disturbs your gentle mind, you might be too young to remember an offensive lineman convicted of 1st degree murder in 1975, “the rape eight,” in 1978, three major major NCAA clampdowns in 23 years, two deaths and three shooting incidents in three successive seasons with Bill Curry, six winless seasons in the SEC play in 35 years, six other one win SEC campaigns in the same span, and 13 other two win seasons in that time, sustained annual losing steaks to UF and UT that are among the Top 5 in collegiate football history.

My list is “the kind of crap” Coach Stoops inherited in 2013, and has turned into the program’s second Florida Bowl in 2016, third Florida Bowl in 2018, fourth Florida Bowl in 2020, and fifth Florida bowl in 2021.

Stoops inherited 35 successive seasons of “crap” lacking a ten win season, lacking a winning record in the SEC, lacking a Top 15 national ranking, lacking a bowl victory on New Year’s Day, lacking a recruiting Class ranked in the top 25, and has brought us all of these, plus a 4 Bowl winning streak, the nations longest out-of-conference winning streak, 12 victories over ranked teams in 9 seasons, a winning rate in the top half of the SEC for 8 seasons, and a program without the stench of persistent lawlessness we once owned and U of L perfected.

But My God how some of the weak do whine . . . .

You think you are “owed” more?

Life, God, fate and Coach Stoops don’t owe you Sh!t!

 

[FirewithFire]

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This kind of crap?

I’m 60 years old.

If “this kind of crap” disturbs your gentle mind, you might be too young to remember an offensive lineman convicted of 1st degree murder in 1975, “the rape eight,” in 1978, three major major NCAA clampdowns in 23 years, two deaths and three shooting incidents in three successive seasons with Bill Curry, six winless seasons in the SEC play in 35 years, six other one win SEC campaigns in the same span, and 13 other two win seasons in that time, sustained annual losing steaks to UF and UT that are among the Top 5 in collegiate football history.

My list is “the kind of crap” Coach Stoops inherited in 2013, and has turned into the program’s second Florida Bowl in 2016, third Florida Bowl in 2018, fourth Florida Bowl in 2020, and fifth Florida bowl in 2021.

Stoops inherited 35 successive seasons of “crap” lacking a ten win season, lacking a winning record in the SEC, lacking a Top 15 national ranking, lacking a bowl victory on New Year’s Day, lacking a recruiting Class ranked in the top 25, and has brought us all of these, plus a 4 Bowl winning streak, the nations longest out-of-conference winning streak, 12 victories over ranked teams in 9 seasons, a winning rate in the top half of the SEC for 8 seasons, and a program without the stench of persistent lawlessness we once owned and U of L perfected.

But My God how some of the weak do whine . . . .

You think you are “owed” more?

Life, God, fate and Coach Stoops don’t owe you Sh!t!

The only person with a gentle mind here is you. If you can't debate without turning to insults then it just goes to show that your points are weak as you are. And you aren't special just because you have been a long time suffering UK football fan. I would wager most people here have struggled through the same agony. Some of us wish to see the program continue to grow, not just settle.

Stoops hasn't been without his own off the field disciple problems either, but that wasn't what I was talking about. The crap I am talking about happens on the field and it happens every single year in perpetuity. Fix those problems and it adds another 1 or 2 wins per season.

Last game UK had more penalty yards than passing yards. They average 68 yards in penalties per game. Stupid penalties. They aren't good enough to overcome that kind of loss. I listed some of the other things in a post above, I'm not going back through them. The problems are well known and persistent. The old "we're going to work hard to fix it" or "I have no excuse" excuses aren't cutting it anymore. The lack of fixing the simple problems is costing UK wins. That is the problem.

And yes, Stoops is accountable to me, you, and every other supporter because that is part of his job. Everything that happens on and off the field happens under his watch. People understanding that seems to be a big part of the problem.

 

[CRZ4UK]

The USC hype preseason was hilarious.

The USC hype EVERY season is hilarious. There. Fixed it for ya.

 

[bluecoon1]

It’s every damn year and they are consistently mediocre at best…

Death, taxes, SC being preseason top 25.

 

[The-Hack]

Death, taxes, SC being preseason top 25.

I used to say UK had the best Augusts, but USCe beats us out for preseason hype, badly.

 

[3632]

Tanner has given several contracts with generous buyouts for the coaches. Muschamp had a very generous buyout after a couple of good seasons before things went the other way.. Tanner is an old school AD that came from the coaching profession instead of an administrator that almost everyone is going to today.

It’s the current thing to do for the UK AD as well. He hands out raises and long term extensions beyond reason. Cal, Stoops, WBB coach Elzy who stunk and would’ve missed the tournament 2 years ago but went on a run in the sec tourney and got the extension out of it then went back to sucking again, Mingione…baseball had a good season but they lived off pitching and small ball and had one of those ‘fortunate’ seasons if you look at numbers. They were last in the conference in offenses and finished 30 HR behind 13th in the league. So certainly not a situation where it felt like some solid trend. Certainly not enough for a 3x raise. It’s ridiculous giving people money and lengths that hamstring the school. I don’t begrudge the coaches, but geez use the money for the programs to help out if you’re the ad.