Total Garbage

[UKWinsAgainYep]

I just watched the 4th Quarter. Our defense was gassed once again. Our D-Line is GARBAGE and I blame mostly Brumbaugh. ULL was running through us like swiss cheese.

We could not run the ball in the 4th Quarter because our O-Line run blocking is pathetic.

Towles is no leader at all. He fumbles a 4-1 and barely gets it. He is jittery and never makes the big play when we need it. I have NO CONFIDENCE in his demeanor or his game when I see him on the field.

This team is in HUGE trouble. I predict no wins against SEC teams except for Vandy. I would not be surprised if Vandy beats us.

I am telling you we have serious problems on both the D-Line and O-Line. They are garbage in the SEC.

Our receivers and RBs and Stamps and Westry is all I see who belong in the SEC.

I am so incredibly disappointed after watching this game. This is the first time I'm thinking that even Coach Stoops may not be able to turn around UK football. As the Head Coach, how can you continue to let this garbage occur on the O-Line and D-Line? I see terrible position, and guys who are slow and out of shape on the Line.

By the way, I hope you realize if it wan't for that face mask against Boom, we were going to lose this game. We are VERY LUCKY we won that game against a Sun Belt team.

 

[KWilt43atbuzz]

Tell us how you really feel bru.

 

[Rhavicc]

You know it's football season when you have to call our @UKWinsAgainYep for being a negative nancy. Didn't you make a similar post last night? Stop letting your jimmies get in a rustle. UK won. Several top 25 teams got played close, or lost, to competition they shouldn't have. Northwestern beat Stanford, and they haven't been to a bowl game in a bajillion years. Oregon got played close all game long by Eastern Washington, an FCS team that lost their star QB (a couple steps down from a team that won the sunbelt twice in a row, I'd say). Nebraska lost to BYU from a hail mary pass last second. Michigan State had issues for most of their game, and people here were calling them out.
We're not the only team that played a poor performance in their first game, not even close. It doesn't tell you what kind of team UK will be either. The only thing last night told me is we have a lot of offensive playmakers who we can get it to in the final minute, and trust them to win the game for us, which is something that we could only say about Boom last year. I seen that when Kentucky comes out, plays hard, and executes like they did in the first have, they can smash teams in a number of ways, and I seen that Boom Williams should have a terrific season.
I have zero complaints, none. Team got the perfect coaching lesson going into week 2.

 

[UKWinsAgainYep]

You know it's football season when you have to call our @UKWinsAgainYep for being a negative nancy. Didn't you make a similar post last night? Stop letting your jimmies get in a rustle. UK won. Several top 25 teams got played close, or lost, to competition they shouldn't have. Northwestern beat Stanford, and they haven't been to a bowl game in a bajillion years. Oregon got played close all game long by Eastern Washington, an FCS team that lost their star QB (a couple steps down from a team that won the sunbelt twice in a row, I'd say). Nebraska lost to BYU from a hail mary pass last second. Michigan State had issues for most of their game, and people here were calling them out.
We're not the only team that played a poor performance in their first game, not even close. It doesn't tell you what kind of team UK will be either. The only thing last night told me is we have a lot of offensive playmakers who we can get it to in the final minute, and trust them to win the game for us, which is something that we could only say about Boom last year. I seen that when Kentucky comes out, plays hard, and executes like they did in the first have, they can smash teams in a number of ways, and I seen that Boom Williams should have a terrific season.
I have zero complaints, none. Team got the perfect coaching lesson going into week 2.

I was watching closely at our D-Line and O-Line get man-handled by a Sun Belt team in the 4 the quarter and a QB who was shaking from head to toe in the 4th quarter and almost cost us the game. No, I don't feel great about that heading into SEC play.

 

[Badenov]

Lighten up Francis. It was the first game of the season that we were dominating before our young team decided to start celebrating and go into coast mode. The 2nd half 3 and outs did not help and the defense got gassed in the 4th, but we still got the W. We suffered no significant injuries that I am aware of and our young players learned a valuable lesson.

Lets see how the team progresses the next couple of weeks before we start looking for bridges to jump from.

 

[TACcat7]

You must've missed when ULL loaded 8 on the line of scrimmage and blitzed nearly every down. Hard to say the line played like garbage when they are trying to block 8 guys. Secondly, pass protection was great and UK had a ton of rushing yards. Your post doesn't make any sense. Thirdly, the defensive line wasn't the problem. When ULL went to the read option because they were getting MANHANDLED by UK's D Line, they posed some problems for UK. However, the problem were the linebackers. They played atrocious. That is the only point I will concede to your post. It's sad you watched the tape and came up with the answers you did.

 

[m080470]

Just a bit of an overreaction. It's the first game and we got the win. The defense was on the field way too much in the first half and had very little in the tank for the second. A lot to work on, no doubt, but let's see where we are in 4 weeks.

 

[KYCAT78]

Let's wait to make a judgement on this team until after the third game. We should have a pretty good indication by then if we are getting any better under Stoops I am using where James Franklin had Vandy in his third year as a measuring stick for Coach Stoops.

 

[ukalumni00]

If UK beats SC or UF same poster will think Stoops is the greatest coach ever. Yes, this team has issues but all teams do. Its a matter of what corrections can they make this week and getting the specialists back on the field (Flannigan, Hatcher, and Johnson). As bad as Pat played, UK still scored 40 points. They left at least another 21 off the board with poor throws.

 

[footballfanatic77]

You are overreacting a bit, OP. But, underneath the layer of emotion you make a very good point. The defense was bad, particularly in the second half. This is one of the reasons I was so "pessimistic" for predicting 6 wins and a bowl game this season. The defense continues to lack the depth necessary to win a lot of games. Most teams in the SEC can rotate very talented and experienced players in and out so that they don't miss a bit and the players can all get some rest. UK doesn't have that luxury yet, when players are rotated in they are usually less talented and/or less experienced. So, players stay in games a lot longer and thus wear down in the second half. It's a problem that is only going to be corrected by recruiting.

Another point is the strength and conditioning at UK may not be up to par with other teams in the SEC, but it's really hard to say that with any certainty until the depth issues are corrected.

 

[footballfanatic77]

Let's wait to make a judgement on this team until after the third game. We should have a pretty good indication by then if we are getting any better under Stoops I am using where James Franklin had Vandy in his third year as a measuring stick for Coach Stoops.

I'm not sure that is an appropriate measuring stick for three reasons: 1) James Franklin actually had Vanderbilt at 9 wins by year two. But, more importantly, 2) James Franklin benefited from an SEC East that was very, very down. UT, UK, Florida were all very down in year 3 and he took advantage. That's not taking anything away from him. He still knocked off Georgia in one of those games where Georgia pulled a Mark Richt. But, my point is that I don't see Stoops getting that luxury. Florida may be down and South Carolina isn't the 11 win team they were a couple years ago, but they look like a solid, middle of the road SEC East team. UT appears to be on the rise, UGA is one of the most talented teams in the conference, Mizzou looked pretty good to me yesterday (with the exception of Maty Mauk who just isn't very good). Finally, 3) Vanderbilt had really easy schedules while he was there: Austin Peay, UMass, UAB, and Wake Forest gave Vanderbilt 4 easy wins. Add on to that all the down SEC teams and it's no wonder Vanderbilt won a lot of games.

 

[Rhavicc]

I was watching closely at our D-Line and O-Line get man-handled by a Sun Belt team in the 4 the quarter and a QB who was shaking from head to toe in the 4th quarter and almost cost us the game. No, I don't feel great about that heading into SEC play.

You've never felt good about the program. At any point. Never pointed at one positive that I can remember, so it doesn't come as a surprise that you're still complaining, and finding 0 positives. But what about when all of those other programs that I named play similar games? Does it make them less of a terrific football program? No.
First game of the season, don't expect this to be a big indicator on our season. We won by 50+ points in our season opener last year, and was it a good indicator of our season? No.

And it struck me as curious, which quarter of the game did you start watching? Because you seem to have missed the part where our d-line dominated them before they went to the read option (which apparently, we weren't very prepared for). I was lack of preparation for that part of the game, plus simply being gassed for being on the field so much, that led to the defense having a hard game at the end. Specifically, their final 3 drives of the night, where they gained somewhere around 220 yards.

When your team gives up that many yards at the very end of the game like that, it points to being tired. Can't blame 'em, it's early in the year, that's their first taste of game time for the season, and for many that played tonight, their career.
You're reading into this way too much.

 

[jauk11]

I don't recommend anyone jumping off the bridge after the first game (especially if it is a win) but maybe that is the best option for the OP.

 

[PowellVolz]

You must've missed when ULL loaded 8 on the line of scrimmage and blitzed nearly every down. Hard to say the line played like garbage when they are trying to block 8 guys. Secondly, pass protection was great and UK had a ton of rushing yards. Your post doesn't make any sense. Thirdly, the defensive line wasn't the problem. When ULL went to the read option because they were getting MANHANDLED by UK's D Line, they posed some problems for UK. However, the problem were the linebackers. They played atrocious. That is the only point I will concede to your post. It's sad you watched the tape and came up with the answers you did.

If you knew ULL was putting 8 in the box and blitzing, why didn't the coaches make adjustments?

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

I'm not sure that is an appropriate measuring stick for three reasons: 1) James Franklin actually had Vanderbilt at 9 wins by year two. But, more importantly, 2) James Franklin benefited from an SEC East that was very, very down. UT, UK, Florida were all very down in year 3 and he took advantage. That's not taking anything away from him. He still knocked off Georgia in one of those games where Georgia pulled a Mark Richt. But, my point is that I don't see Stoops getting that luxury. Florida may be down and South Carolina isn't the 11 win team they were a couple years ago, but they look like a solid, middle of the road SEC East team. UT appears to be on the rise, UGA is one of the most talented teams in the conference, Mizzou looked pretty good to me yesterday (with the exception of Maty Mauk who just isn't very good). Finally, 3) Vanderbilt had really easy schedules while he was there: Austin Peay, UMass, UAB, and Wake Forest gave Vanderbilt 4 easy wins. Add on to that all the down SEC teams and it's no wonder Vanderbilt won a lot of games.

I watched Florida on another TV and they look far better than they did last season. Their QB showed very well. The only thing that I saw was a weakness for them was their OL. But then you have to ask... would our DL get a push and get to their QB? I seriouisly doubt it.

Of both games I watched between the both of us they looked like a 2 TD/10 point win over us. Their D looked very nice and New Mexico had to do some very trick catches to get some points as the db's were all over them.

 

[LordEgg]

I flipped my lid in the fourth quarter. It happens.

 

[wildcatglenn]

I realize it was the 1st game of the season but these issues are the same ones that killed us last yr. Brumbaugh may be an exellent recruiter but his coaching skills may need a little work. We'll find out next week what this team can do.

 

[footballfanatic77]

I watched Florida on another TV and they look far better than they did last season. Their QB showed very well. The only thing that I saw was a weakness for them was their OL. But then you have to ask... would our DL get a push and get to their QB? I seriouisly doubt it.

Of both games I watched between the both of us they looked like a 2 TD/10 point win over us. Their D looked very nice and New Mexico had to do some very trick catches to get some points as the db's were all over them.

They were also playing a garbage team. I wouldn't read too much into how Florida looked last night. But, I don't think they can be counted as a sure win for UK either.

 

[domino79]

I have a few concerns, but I'm not ready to jump off the Clay's Ferry Bridge or move to Nicholasville just yet.

We were missing a few starters on defense. Very easy to lose contain when you're not disciplined = young players. It'll happen. Coaches have a lot of work cut out for them in the next week. Maybe another nine o'clock evening practice?

Towels keeps this up, and I'm afraid inconsistency is going to be a hallmark of his playing. I hope to hell not because he's a good kid. I think he'll put in the work to get better. I also think he's a qb that fortunately and unfortunately plays to the level of competition. Jitters also a problem, but they also better start having him take a few snaps under center. That fumble could easily have gone the other way.

Defense, what can I say? We all knew linebacker was going to be an area of weakness. It is what it is.

Probably sign up for free trial through season to get practice reports. This week will tell us a lot.

Bright side is that we look really good regarding injuries. Bad news is that always changes through the season.

Overall, I think we took our foot off the pedal a little last night, which is concerning. We have to keep up the intensity the entire game. Just not there to where we can rest against Directional U. Plus, as has been stated before and needs to be underscored, ULL is a very good team. Well coached.

 

[UKWinsAgainYep]

I'm not going to jump off a bridge so sorry if this post sounded too dramatic. I was just pissed after watching that reply because I really thought we'd be better.

And yes, to the poster above, I did notice how awful our LBs were especially on the outside, but I didn't even want to go there.....

I'll stick with my 6 win prediction, but it will be tough to get to 6.

 

[KYCAT78]

I'm not sure that is an appropriate measuring stick for three reasons: 1) James Franklin actually had Vanderbilt at 9 wins by year two. But, more importantly, 2) James Franklin benefited from an SEC East that was very, very down. UT, UK, Florida were all very down in year 3 and he took advantage. That's not taking anything away from him. He still knocked off Georgia in one of those games where Georgia pulled a Mark Richt. But, my point is that I don't see Stoops getting that luxury. Florida may be down and South Carolina isn't the 11 win team they were a couple years ago, but they look like a solid, middle of the road SEC East team. UT appears to be on the rise, UGA is one of the most talented teams in the conference, Mizzou looked pretty good to me yesterday (with the exception of Maty Mauk who just isn't very good). Finally, 3) Vanderbilt had really easy schedules while he was there: Austin Peay, UMass, UAB, and Wake Forest gave Vanderbilt 4 easy wins. Add on to that all the down SEC teams and it's no wonder Vanderbilt won a lot of games.

Your reasoning is why I expect Coach Stoops to show marked improvement in year 3.versus Franklin's success in year two. I am not expecting 8.-4 or 9-3 but I do think 6-6 or 7-4 should be a reasonable place to be. My comparison to Vandy is because they started in same place talent wise that Stoops did after Joker. You only need to look at Vandy now versus Franklin to see the impact of a coach. Vandy was not left with no talent but Mason is coaching like they were.

 

[buckkiller]

I dont care wat D you have or how good it is but 3 and out after 3 and out will wear Bama's D out let alone our young D. I put this game more on Patrick then our D. You have to sustain drives to give D some rest. Cant go multiple 3 and out followed by a pic and expect our D to hold up. Anyone who knows football should know this.

 

[irishcat1965]

If you knew ULL was putting 8 in the box and blitzing, why didn't the coaches make adjustments?

You mean like the defensive adjustments the vols made while giving up 557 yards and 30 points?

 

[irishcat1965]

I just watched the 4th Quarter. Our defense was gassed once again. Our D-Line is GARBAGE and I blame mostly Brumbaugh. ULL was running through us like swiss cheese.

We could not run the ball in the 4th Quarter because our O-Line run blocking is pathetic.

Towles is no leader at all. He fumbles a 4-1 and barely gets it. He is jittery and never makes the big play when we need it. I have NO CONFIDENCE in his demeanor or his game when I see him on the field.

This team is in HUGE trouble. I predict no wins against SEC teams except for Vandy. I would not be surprised if Vandy beats us.

I am telling you we have serious problems on both the D-Line and O-Line. They are garbage in the SEC.

Our receivers and RBs and Stamps and Westry is all I see who belong in the SEC.

I am so incredibly disappointed after watching this game. This is the first time I'm thinking that even Coach Stoops may not be able to turn around UK football. As the Head Coach, how can you continue to let this garbage occur on the O-Line and D-Line? I see terrible position, and guys who are slow and out of shape on the Line.

By the way, I hope you realize if it wan't for that face mask against Boom, we were going to lose this game. We are VERY LUCKY we won that game against a Sun Belt team.

If it upsets you this much, just don't watch anymore games. See how easy that is?

 

[308955]

I dont care wat D you have or how good it is but 3 and out after 3 and out will wear Bama's D out let alone our young D. I put this game more on Patrick then our D. You have to sustain drives to give D some rest. Cant go multiple 3 and out followed by a pic and expect our D to hold up. Anyone who knows football should know this.

Bama's D wouldn't allow a team to run 47 first half plays resulting in 14 first downs. UK's offense does not shoulder all the blame here. They have to be better, but the defense was its own worst enemy last night. The good news is we have some dynamic young athletes. Unfortunately, they spent a lot of time out of position and playing without discipline last night.

 

[BigBluePhantom]

It could have been better but damn. At least you should only be cycling once every four games. Nobody wants to read that crybaby stuff on here.

I just watched the 4th Quarter. Our defense was gassed once again. Our D-Line is GARBAGE and I blame mostly Brumbaugh. ULL was running through us like swiss cheese.

We could not run the ball in the 4th Quarter because our O-Line run blocking is pathetic.

Towles is no leader at all. He fumbles a 4-1 and barely gets it. He is jittery and never makes the big play when we need it. I have NO CONFIDENCE in his demeanor or his game when I see him on the field.

This team is in HUGE trouble. I predict no wins against SEC teams except for Vandy. I would not be surprised if Vandy beats us.

I am telling you we have serious problems on both the D-Line and O-Line. They are garbage in the SEC.

Our receivers and RBs and Stamps and Westry is all I see who belong in the SEC.

I am so incredibly disappointed after watching this game. This is the first time I'm thinking that even Coach Stoops may not be able to turn around UK football. As the Head Coach, how can you continue to let this garbage occur on the O-Line and D-Line? I see terrible position, and guys who are slow and out of shape on the Line.


By the way, I hope you realize if it wan't for that face mask against Boom, we were going to lose this game. We are VERY LUCKY we won that game against a Sun Belt team.

 

[PowellVolz]

You mean like the defensive adjustments the vols made while giving up 557 yards and 30 points?

Yeah exactly. We only gave up 10 pts and 175 yards the second half.

 

[Vonburns1]

Yep-well other than that, how did you like the game?

 

[irishcat1965]

Yeah exactly. We only gave up 10 pts and 175 yards the second half.

So it took two quarters to make the adjustments. Got it. Why not after the first quarter?

 

[PowellVolz]

So it took two quarters to make the adjustments. Got it. Why not after the first quarter?

They didn't go off on us until the 2nd quarter. We had a CB and a NB get burnt 4-5 times. We had a starter at CB and a starter at safety miss the game. This should help out a lot against Oklahoma.

 

[footballfanatic77]

You mean like the defensive adjustments the vols made while giving up 557 yards and 30 points?

In all fairness UT seemed to make adjustments in the second half. They didn't give up too much after halftime.

 

[TheBlueMax]

I just watched the 4th Quarter. Our defense was gassed once again. Our D-Line is GARBAGE and I blame mostly Brumbaugh. ULL was running through us like swiss cheese.

We could not run the ball in the 4th Quarter because our O-Line run blocking is pathetic.

Towles is no leader at all. He fumbles a 4-1 and barely gets it. He is jittery and never makes the big play when we need it. I have NO CONFIDENCE in his demeanor or his game when I see him on the field.

This team is in HUGE trouble. I predict no wins against SEC teams except for Vandy. I would not be surprised if Vandy beats us.

I am telling you we have serious problems on both the D-Line and O-Line. They are garbage in the SEC.

Our receivers and RBs and Stamps and Westry is all I see who belong in the SEC.

I am so incredibly disappointed after watching this game. This is the first time I'm thinking that even Coach Stoops may not be able to turn around UK football. As the Head Coach, how can you continue to let this garbage occur on the O-Line and D-Line? I see terrible position, and guys who are slow and out of shape on the Line.

By the way, I hope you realize if it wan't for that face mask against Boom, we were going to lose this game. We are VERY LUCKY we won that game against a Sun Belt team.

While I would agree that we saw some more of the same futility marking the last 45 years I've watched Kentucky football, even you would hopefully understand that drawing many of the conclusions you did are largely emotional and just plain not fair assessments after only one game. One big problem is that we don't know how good Louisiana is--what we do know is they have some real athletes and genuine speed, Sun Belt notwithstanding, and they also have had some very good, consistent success in recent years.

However, it's WAY TOO EARLY to begin throwing this team into "garbage" categories. Think for a second, if you addressed this team in person with your comments, how they would feel or think about your commentary. Certainly, Stoops might take exception to what you say. Rather than make definitive conclusions after week one, let's see how the season is after four or five games.

I will say this--all the pre-season rhetoric our defense and all its issues was an ominous sign. I would only guess at this point that it will take possibly five recruiting classes for defense to be suitably improved to compete favorably in the SEC (similar to Miss St's experience). If that turns out to be true, we likely will see that our hopes of a six-win season were in fact inflated (our hopes for good football have been inflated for the last 45 years straight!).

I do think we still must be painstakingly patient with this entire football program.

 

[shutzhund]

Let's wait to make a judgement on this team until after the third game. We should have a pretty good indication by then if we are getting any better under Stoops I am using where James Franklin had Vandy in his third year as a measuring stick for Coach Stoops.

Do you know the type players that Franklin inherited vs the ones Stoops was stuck with. Those Vandy players are now gone and look at Vandy now.

 

[UKWinsAgainYep]

While I would agree that we saw some more of the same futility marking the last 45 years I've watched Kentucky football, even you would hopefully understand that drawing many of the conclusions you did are largely emotional and just plain not fair assessments after only one game. One big problem is that we don't know how good Louisiana is--what we do know is they have some real athletes and genuine speed, Sun Belt notwithstanding, and they also have had some very good, consistent success in recent years.

However, it's WAY TOO EARLY to begin throwing this team into "garbage" categories. Think for a second, if you addressed this team in person with your comments, how they would feel or think about your commentary. Certainly, Stoops might take exception to what you say. Rather than make definitive conclusions after week one, let's see how the season is after four or five games.

I will say this--all the pre-season rhetoric our defense and all its issues was an ominous sign. I would only guess at this point that it will take possibly five recruiting classes for defense to be suitably improved to compete favorably in the SEC (similar to Miss St's experience). If that turns out to be true, we likely will see that our hopes of a six-win season were in fact inflated (our hopes for good football have been inflated for the last 45 years straight!).

I do think we still must be painstakingly patient with this entire football program.

I understand what you're saying. I was just totally discouraged after watching that. I really believed we would make some fundamental improvements with line play and I really believed Towles would be better. I just didn't seem many positives from the game and I wanted to believe that we have an improved team.

I honestly don't see many improvements from that game except I do think the receivers as a group have obviously improved. Also, Horton does look better.

I'm afraid we may be struggling in the SEC again big time and I hate to see that.

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

missing starters is a fact of football. There are suspensions and injuries for every team. Its no excuse to look that pathetic against a sun belt team.

 

[KYCAT78]

Do you know the type players that Franklin inherited vs the ones Stoops was stuck with. Those Vandy players are now gone and look at Vandy now.

You are wrong Franklin inherited just as bad of talent as Stoops did so coaching is a variable. Also this is only Masons third year and Franklin red shifted a lot so many of his players are there as sophmore, junior and senior.

 

[footballfanatic77]

You are wrong Franklin inherited just as bad of talent as Stoops did so coaching is a variable. Also this is only Masons third year and Franklin red shifted a lot so many of his players are there as sophmore, junior and senior.

Naw not really. Franklin got pretty lucky with the roster he inherited. Carta Samuels and Jordan Matthews were good, they had a decent, experienced o-line and d-line. It was actually a much different situation.

 

[KYCAT78]

Naw not really. Franklin got pretty lucky with the roster he inherited. Carta Samuels and Jordan Matthews were good, they had a decent, experienced o-line and d-line. It was actually a much different situation.

Look at the 3 Vandy seasons prior to Franklin's arrival, they were terrible and void of talent. Stoops came in 3 years ago with no better talent than Franklin inherited. If Stoops cannot get to 6 wins this year we have to question his ability to lead. Our recruiting is good, SC and Florida are down and Vandy is a dumpster fire. I want Stoops to succeed but I do not think it is too much to ask for 6 wins after 3 seasons.

 

[footballfanatic77]

Look at the 3 Vandy seasons prior to Franklin's arrival, they were terrible and void of talent. Stoops came in 3 years ago with no better talent than Franklin inherited. If Stoops cannot get to 6 wins this year we have to question his ability to lead. Our recruiting is good, SC and Florida are down and Vandy is a dumpster fire. I want Stoops to succeed but I do not think it is too much to ask for 6 wins after 3 seasons.

And yet interestingly Franklin won with the talent he inherited, not talent he recruited. Sort of makes you think that maybe they had a coaching deficit and not a talent deficit.

 

[KYCAT78]

And yet interestingly Franklin won with the talent he inherited, not talent he recruited. Sort of makes you think that maybe they had a coaching deficit and not a talent deficit.

Which goes back to my main point that the talent we have in season 3 is at least equal to Vandy in season 2 under Franklin so we should be able to win 6 games under Stoops.