Toe in, heel out = incomplete

[SaguaroCat]

We didn't get screwed on the touchdown. They got the call right. I wish it wasn't true then, but that type of call has happened before, and it's been called the same way. You can drag the toe, but you can't put any other part of the foot out of bounds.

• 4. If a Player has a “Tippy-toe” stance on the Sideline or End line either from returning to the ground or on the ground after establishing Firm Control, the Player must maintain that stance for the duration for it to be a CATCH. If the Toe touches inbounds, but the Heel touches out of bounds, RULE INCOMPLETE.

http://www.profootballreferee.com/1912/college-football-officiating-101-catchno-catch/

http://www.refstripes.com/forum/index.php?topic=3096.0

 

[kats23]

Knew this was the rule.

 

[ulismyman]

Agreed

 

[jauk11]

Well, I guess it is never too late to learn something, I had never heard of this rule. I have read the rule book many times but mostly the high school rules, used to cram in the major differences if I got to do a college game. In Las Vegas you had to travel hundreds of miles to do a college game, none closer except for UNLV, and they didn't like to use local officials.

I don't feel too bad, I guess it isn't a very well known rule since major college officials blew it as recently as the TT game, surprised that Leach caught it, but I think he is pretty sharp, I think I read where he had a law degree. I watched the WSU game last night and he challenged a call on the field and won.

JMO but most coaches, at least on the high school level, are more concerned with the practical and often involved things, like how much holding they can get away with, rather than the fine points of the rules. And this rule is just one of thousands of fine points.

 

[wildcatglenn]

Dumb rule. If he if turned the other way all he has to have is his toes.
Just like on a safty. The whole ball has to be across the goal line, but on a td it just has to break the line.
Inconsistent at best

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Yep. If hed just drug his toe, it wouldve been a TD. Very tough play.

 

[sluggercatfan]

Yep. If hed just drug his toe, it wouldve been a TD. Very tough play.

Saw a pic somewhere today that the toe was in way before the heel went down...TOUCHDOWN KENTUCKY!!

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Saw a pic somewhere today that the toe was in way before the heel went down...TOUCHDOWN KENTUCKY!!

It was. But since he tried to get the heel down too, rule is thats not a catch. If he wouldve drug the toe somehow, without putting the heel down at all; it wouldve been a TD.

Really, really tough play to make.

 

[catskid37]

We didn't get screwed on the touchdown. They got the call right. I wish it wasn't true then, but that type of call has happened before, and it's been called the same way. You can drag the toe, but you can't put any other part of the foot out of bounds.

• 4. If a Player has a “Tippy-toe” stance on the Sideline or End line either from returning to the ground or on the ground after establishing Firm Control, the Player must maintain that stance for the duration for it to be a CATCH. If the Toe touches inbounds, but the Heel touches out of bounds, RULE INCOMPLETE.

http://www.profootballreferee.com/1912/college-football-officiating-101-catchno-catch/

http://www.refstripes.com/forum/index.php?topic=3096.0

That rule is only true if they hit at the same time. if your toe is in your in. if this was the case then you couldn't drag your toe. The closest official called TD and the far off one called no Good. Don't know how they overturned that call. Should have at least reviewed it. That would have made a huge difference in the game.

 

[UKCatsFan10]

I wasn't 100% sure on the rule, but had no problem with it being ruled incomplete. That ruling seems to make sense to me, much more so than asking the official to distinguish if the toe was down in-bounds before the heel was down out-of-bounds. That's asking for a lot from an official on top of having to determine that the receiver had full control of the ball while going out of bounds... As the rule is written, if the foot comes down and is touching the line, he's out. Makes sense to me.

 

[UPSCat4080]

Stoops said on his press conference that the rule was if you are facing away from the offense you can have tip toes only, but if you are facing the play like our WR was then you have to have the whole foot down (would be hard to drag tip toes falling backwards lol).

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Dumb rule. If he if turned the other way all he has to have is his toes.
Just like on a safty. The whole ball has to be across the goal line, but on a td it just has to break the line.
Inconsistent at best

I think thats consistent, if any part of ball crosses goalline, its a TD. in order for it not to be a S, all of the ball has to be outside the line. If you count the nose crossing as being in and a TD, you have to count the tail not crossing as being in and a S.

 

[PhattyJ4UK]

Seems that that means if they hit simultaneously

 

[ARC Dog]

I think thats consistent, if any part of ball crosses goalline, its a TD. in order for it not to be a S, all of the ball has to be outside the line. If you count the nose crossing as being in and a TD, you have to count the tail not crossing as being in and a S.

Yeah the ball "is" on the field where the furthest point in the direction of the offense is, and thus it makes sense that any part would count for a TD but by the same token, any part out of the defensive end zone would mean still in the field of play.

 

[cats2010]

Good grief, there are still people in this thread that cannot differentiate between a dragging of the toe vs getting the whole foot down and think it still should have been a TD. There was a similar play in the Sunday night football game with Michael Floyd only he got his heel down too. The crew even mentioned that even though his toe hit first his heel must come down in bounds too unless it is dragged which is virtually impossible to do going backwards.

If you drag the toe then your entire foot comes off the ground again before the next step. The toe constitutes getting the foot in. It really is quite simple to understand.