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against the negative recruiting by other coaches. No holds barred. A recruit is committed to another school and not signed, go after him and flip him. No more Mr. Nice Guy.
I think he should give the third assistant position to Newman's dad for a season under the condition that it's only while Newman is here.
We are in a time when kids don't care about tradition or even exposure. They know the NBA will find them. Only way to trump that is to occasionally remove oneself from the proverbial high horse and do what is legal and necessary to land a recruit.
Give Horatio Webster the position, take the hits from the media, and compete for another Final Four. It's not a violation.
We are in a time when kids don't care about tradition or even exposure. They know the NBA will find them. Only way to trump that is to occasionally remove oneself from the proverbial high horse and do what is legal and necessary to land a recruit.
Give Horatio Webster the position, take the hits from the media, and compete for another Final Four. It's not a violation.
Yup gotta start telling these kids what they want to hear, which might not necessarily be the truth.
Other coaches that have a real history of lying their asses off are still landing kids (Self, Coach K).
UK should consider painting the truth in a way that isn't lying, but gets the job done nonetheless.
I don't know if K lies to his recruits or not. Probably not. But he does teach his players to lie to the officials, so it wouldn't shock me.
K is on record for hating the OAD system, but has publically distanced himself from this stance in order to survive in the recruiting world.
It might not be an out-and-out lie, but it's disingenuous.
Cal doesn't have to change anything on the recruiting trail, unless he wants to change and adapt to keeping a scholarship or 2 around every year for some upperclassman. I would fully support that, and have said many times (was blistered for it in December)) that he needs a few more score friendly upperclassman to help curve the nerves of the young guys in the tournament. Thats easier said than done, and I understand that too; But it can be done as Duke showed this year.The best way to play is with a MIX of star power talent and upperclassman that usually play for the jersey. I think Cals methods so far are extremely impressive, but there could be a rising problem of getting really deep into tournaments and rarely finishing them off. I think cals too good for that personally. A solid senior could have been the answer on several of these trips, and anyone denying that is denying a possible reality.
So a small tweak in there somewhere I'm fine, but no to hiring peoples dads, and no to dirty recruiting. Dirty recruiting doesn't really work most of the time anyway, and hiring peoples parents usually means you're desperate. UK nor Calipari are desperate, and we don't need to set a precedent for future recruits and their handlers/parents.
This post was edited on 4/18 1:41 PM by .S&C.
So a small tweak in there somewhere I'm fine, but no to hiring peoples dads, and no to dirty recruiting. Dirty recruiting doesn't really work most of the time anyway, and hiring peoples parents usually means you're desperate. UK nor Calipari are desperate, and we don't need to set a precedent for future recruits and their handlers/parents.
This post was edited on 4/18 1:41 PM by .S&C.
No, it's not.
Under N.C.A.A. guidelines, a program can hire a recruit's high school or A.A.U. coach or even a family member - provided he is placed in a coaching role. The practice has been used by college basketball coaches for decades. In 1983, Larry Brown hired the father of the heralded recruit Danny Manning as an assistant coach with Kansas. The younger Manning followed his father to Lawrence, Kan., a year later.
And to those who think UK should be above that, I'd like to remind you that the 1988 Kansas national championship still counts; you know, the one that featured Danny Manning and his father on the sidelines?
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Seems to me that when you look at the big picture on the court, in the community, grades, coming back and promoting the program, and about whatever have you is to keep doing exactly what he is doing.
Balancing this and that or having a different strategic outlook are not what I mean but as far as getting top notch players and kids what in the world kind of criteria are you using to demonstrate this need to change his broad approach to recruiting?
I see no way to turn the process into one where our number of available scholarships determines how many of the first picks of a high school draft we will get.
Short of that how much overall better can we really be doing? Even now if we whiff on everyone else we have the best big, the best little, and somewhere around a top 50 wing coming in. That means if we don't strike out then we probably are going to have a hell of a class. I bet we get two or three more guys but if not it still is in no way any indication of a proper with how Calipari goes about recruiting.
Perhaps you are peering around the corner and may prove correct but right now I have to believe you are arguing something that isn't actually there. Of course there is negative recruiting and no he doesn't give any old line of garbage but we seem to get the better kids along with the top talents and do so as close to a German train schedule as one can imagine in this environment.
Balancing this and that or having a different strategic outlook are not what I mean but as far as getting top notch players and kids what in the world kind of criteria are you using to demonstrate this need to change his broad approach to recruiting?
I see no way to turn the process into one where our number of available scholarships determines how many of the first picks of a high school draft we will get.
Short of that how much overall better can we really be doing? Even now if we whiff on everyone else we have the best big, the best little, and somewhere around a top 50 wing coming in. That means if we don't strike out then we probably are going to have a hell of a class. I bet we get two or three more guys but if not it still is in no way any indication of a proper with how Calipari goes about recruiting.
Perhaps you are peering around the corner and may prove correct but right now I have to believe you are arguing something that isn't actually there. Of course there is negative recruiting and no he doesn't give any old line of garbage but we seem to get the better kids along with the top talents and do so as close to a German train schedule as one can imagine in this environment.
Simeon Mars anyone or have we forgotten already.
Cal is doing fine. Last time I checked we still had signed LOI from Skal, Briscoe and Matthews.
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Cal is doing fine. Last time I checked we still had signed LOI from Skal, Briscoe and Matthews.
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Hey Einstein, it's not like I started the thread in hopes of Cal just so happened to be reading message boards to glean recruiting tips from fans. You're giving messsge boards way too much credit. You need to get a grip.
The transcendent wings are spurning UK.
I don't think Cal needs anyone's advice, but he might have to adapt his philosophy regarding recruiting elite wing players going forward. For some reason, they aren't coming to UK.
Oh the paranoia
Some of the highly-regarded recruits are going elsewhere, so coaches must be bashing Cal during the recruiting trail. YEAH, THAT MUST BE IT!
Some of the highly-regarded recruits are going elsewhere, so coaches must be bashing Cal during the recruiting trail. YEAH, THAT MUST BE IT!
One of the main reasons you hear from recruits for coming here is that Cal doesn't recruit like most coaches. Instead of making promises he doesn't intend to keep, Cal is honest with them and doesn't use negative recruiting tactics. It's worked pretty well so far and I hope he keeps doing it the same way.
Why would any of our fans ever believe such a thing? You're right, there is no historical precedent to believe such a thing. Let's mock the fans who would ever correspond recruiting struggles with negative recruiting...
"Before we get to National Signing Day, and as players wind down their decision process, I would hope everyone -- players and fans -- understand that if you start hearing outlandish things, understand it's out of desperation," Calipari wrote. "Some of the stuff I've heard thrown out there during this recruiting process is ridiculous and crazy.
"Desperate people will do and say desperate things. I want everyone to understand that we're not desperate at Kentucky. We're not talking about other programs."
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Sorry, we don't need to stoop to using Louisville tactics to land a recruit. Cal has been doing just fine since he arrived here.
I guess the blue kool-aid crowd is finally starting to realize that what i've been saying for 2 weeks now might come to pass.
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Cal has been telling this years recruits that he was going to put 8 kids in the nba THE WHOLE YEAR. 7 are in the draft. AP would have been if he did not get hurt. These kids can see the open roster space and know what Cal has done at Uk the last 6 years.
He is a big boy and does not need to fight back. He has signed the #1 center, #1 pg, and a 5 star recruit in CM before he got injured. 4 open slots will be filled.
These 1ad kids have certain priorities.
get better and go to the league - Like it or not this is Cal's systemhave a chance to win a NC - UK has returning experience players to increase this chance.they cant win a title by themselves. Play everyday against top notch kids in practice. Imagine Roy at unc cheat trying to fight the negative recruiting compared to Cal. We are not going to be on a post season ban this year. Who knows when the ncaa will rule? I wont hold you back if you are good enough to go to the league. He has brain washed marcus paige and has cost a lot of his kids millions of $s.
All Cal has got to do is tell the TRUTH.
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He is a big boy and does not need to fight back. He has signed the #1 center, #1 pg, and a 5 star recruit in CM before he got injured. 4 open slots will be filled.
These 1ad kids have certain priorities.
get better and go to the league - Like it or not this is Cal's systemhave a chance to win a NC - UK has returning experience players to increase this chance.they cant win a title by themselves. Play everyday against top notch kids in practice. Imagine Roy at unc cheat trying to fight the negative recruiting compared to Cal. We are not going to be on a post season ban this year. Who knows when the ncaa will rule? I wont hold you back if you are good enough to go to the league. He has brain washed marcus paige and has cost a lot of his kids millions of $s.
All Cal has got to do is tell the TRUTH.
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Cal has absolutely ZERO issues with recruiting. ZERO, if that isn't clear enough! The very thought that anyone thinks he has any issues with recruiting is so dumb it really doesn't deserve a response. He has the No. 1 class in the nation right now, and isn't done. I'm not sure what more you can ask for.
The problem isn't recruiting; it's that even having the No. 1 class doesn't seem like enough because of all the players we lost. The problem is we lost players like Booker and Lyles, who at many other programs would be returning for their sophomore years. That's not a knock on them at all, but IF there's a problem, it's certainly not with recruiting - it's not retaining the type of guys who often return to other programs.
The problem isn't recruiting; it's that even having the No. 1 class doesn't seem like enough because of all the players we lost. The problem is we lost players like Booker and Lyles, who at many other programs would be returning for their sophomore years. That's not a knock on them at all, but IF there's a problem, it's certainly not with recruiting - it's not retaining the type of guys who often return to other programs.
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Like John Calipari need help recruiting...
^^this.....what a silly thread
I miss Coach O. I know Cal closes the recruits out, but Coach O set up those monster classes for Cal to close. Always liked the fact that he was younger and could be seen as a big-brother type to recruits who would have the players' back when Cal goes nuclear. His getting shot in the head, being a former player, etc. all made him more relatable to the players we recruited. Kind of hope Cal gets someone younger to fill Slice's spot.
I'm not sure what that even means, but I've remained pretty realistic this entire winter and spring regarding recruiting, but thanks for the baseless generalization.
You know you hear about how Cal is a shady recruiter but he nobody has any factual evidence of him being shady. I think hiring someone's dad or HS coach is shady as you know that's the only way they got the assistant coach job. What happened to Teagues coach after he committed here instead of UL? We have not done under handed practices like this under Cal which is much more to say than other programs and their coaches who supposed to be "clean".
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