Thoughts on this idea by Chip Kelly
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Yeah...and then he went sort of goofballing around with the "biggest travesty is players should get paid".
1. Players are for sure getting paid.
2. I guess he's going to be on board for coaches to take a major pay cut if it's all going to share with the players.
3. So the women sports and men sprots that nobody watches ....they deserve to get paid?
In the end, we're on the horizon of college revenue is going to start to decline as hte smaller schools and fans are going to see how waste of time this all is and as more and more schools realize the same...the pot of interest will shrink which will decrease the pot of money to share.
1. Players are for sure getting paid.
2. I guess he's going to be on board for coaches to take a major pay cut if it's all going to share with the players.
3. So the women sports and men sprots that nobody watches ....they deserve to get paid?
In the end, we're on the horizon of college revenue is going to start to decline as hte smaller schools and fans are going to see how waste of time this all is and as more and more schools realize the same...the pot of interest will shrink which will decrease the pot of money to share.
Hell... let's just stop scholarships for the kids, most who don't belong on a college campus in the first place. No classes for the kids to attend and just call it the CPFBL. This is getting ridiculous!
It’s essentially been that for 25 years or more
Colleges are for profit now and have been since mid 20th century. They are big govt, expansionist, would be autonomies that have little interest in educating or developing successful graduates. They are fantasylands of escapism and consumerism that churn out below standard product. They are diminishing great students by dulling their potential and giving useless degrees to people that would've been better served learning a valuable trade- all to keep them attending and giving them borrowed money.
It's 80% scam, and that's being generous.
It's 80% scam, and that's being generous.
He hasn't thought it through, actually.
If every team in the "64 P5" and "64 G5" were all splitting separate money without conferences having contracts, there would be no money to pay G5 players and a lot less money to pay P5 players. NIL tells you this. Then, if conferences are sponsored, there is even less money for NIL and programs.
If the G5 is separated completely, it dies as a competitive football entity.
ALSO- There's a reason the NFL doesn't have 64 teams. A professional model isn't supported well enough for 64 US teams. In fact, 2 leagues of 20-30 teams isn't sustainable. The league knows that it's built on potential star players, just as the SEC, B1G, etc. The more those stars are dispersed the less compelling the product.
There's a reason CK is at UCLA. Otherwise,he'd be a pro HC. THIS is a college coordinator idea. One sided and not well thought through
The only thought that wasn't silly is that football should be separated from the other sports competitively (conference affiliations). Its not original, but he should've just stopped there.
The concept, in theory, isn’t a bad one imo. 64 P5 teams split up into 4 regions is 4-16 team conferences. Not much different than what we have now. The remaining 64 teams teams would do the exact sane thing.
The premise though is to have college football be independent of all other college sports. I understand why football is driving the conversation…money talks. But from a practicality standpoint, the one program that plays the fewest away games (6, at most for a P5 team) is dictating how far other programs, who make many more road trips, travel.
Some of his thought process is flawed. But the NCAA sat on its hands and pushed bs m for many years on athletes getting paid and it made for the current wild, wild, west. The current system, moving in the direction it is, is not sustainable. People can bitch and moan (not speaking specifically about you) about players getting paid, etc, but that train is coming. You either be proactive and try and set up a system that is feasible or you sit back and watch it unravel.
Why would SEC and B10 desolve and share their tv revenue with other schools.
I’m in favor that Amazon and Apple get rid of their businesses and combine with 62 of of us smaller business owners. Then, we split the revenues between all of us. What do you think Apple and Amazon think about that idea?
I’m in favor that Amazon and Apple get rid of their businesses and combine with 62 of of us smaller business owners. Then, we split the revenues between all of us. What do you think Apple and Amazon think about that idea?
So what's the great point? There isn't one.
I said as much, and he's not anywhere near the first to say it.
All but the football separate one.
No. It isn't. So it deserves to fail.
It is and has been for decades. A lot of people will fall away from it as it does, since a lot are already doing so. The NCAA has already let the loose thread be pulled. There's no stopping the unraveling, but they can slow it down with what the SEC and B1G have done.
We already have an entity that's naturally evolving into the solution everyone is kind of thinking about.
The BCS...
The BCS needs to take about 40 football programs and split from NCAA, and "collegiate" athletics in general, into some sort of semi-pro league.
The problem right now in all of this is that everyone thinks the entirety of college sports is profitable, that every athletic department can afford to pay every kid...NO!
I don't think the general public understands that there are only a few dozen that turn a profit. All due to football. Even a smaller group make any money on basketball.
The best thing that can happen is the profitable break away. Then the NCAA can kind of get back to its original form and intent of "college" athletics...kids playing after school.
They can make their own little local and regional media deals and divvy that up however they want, but it won't be anything on the outlandish scale people are talking about right now. If local car dealers and pizza joints want to pay some athletes for commercials and promotions cool.
This idea that Akron, Utah Tech, Murray State, etc. can pay 400+ student athletes need to go away. Which is why those and the other 300+ D1 schools do not need to be playing the Alabama and Michigan. It's not even competitive. It's like Alabama and Michigan playing an NFL team. The athletes are different, the money is different.
There's a little in-between that has formed over the last 50 years or so. It's not just "college" and Pro sports anymore. There are clearly programs/leagues that have evolved past Division 1 collegiate athletics but are not quite professional.
The BCS...
The BCS needs to take about 40 football programs and split from NCAA, and "collegiate" athletics in general, into some sort of semi-pro league.
The problem right now in all of this is that everyone thinks the entirety of college sports is profitable, that every athletic department can afford to pay every kid...NO!
I don't think the general public understands that there are only a few dozen that turn a profit. All due to football. Even a smaller group make any money on basketball.
The best thing that can happen is the profitable break away. Then the NCAA can kind of get back to its original form and intent of "college" athletics...kids playing after school.
They can make their own little local and regional media deals and divvy that up however they want, but it won't be anything on the outlandish scale people are talking about right now. If local car dealers and pizza joints want to pay some athletes for commercials and promotions cool.
This idea that Akron, Utah Tech, Murray State, etc. can pay 400+ student athletes need to go away. Which is why those and the other 300+ D1 schools do not need to be playing the Alabama and Michigan. It's not even competitive. It's like Alabama and Michigan playing an NFL team. The athletes are different, the money is different.
There's a little in-between that has formed over the last 50 years or so. It's not just "college" and Pro sports anymore. There are clearly programs/leagues that have evolved past Division 1 collegiate athletics but are not quite professional.
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Exactly. Without the paydays they receive from scheduling the P5 schools, however, will they exist at all except as regional post-secondary afterthoughts?
That may be, if that "let's pay everyone" genie can ever go back in the bottle.
It's going back to the same as it was in the second half of last century after a couple decades of relative parity mixed with some nice cinderella stories, and traditional powerhouses making runs, before the SEC outright dominated the last 20+ years.
Both UTs are poised for comebacks with their monetary bases and facilities. Bama will still be Bama, but Georgia may be put "back in its place" due to the monetary strength of other schools in the conference. Who knows for sure, but I think that with things as they are in officiating, gambling, and fake "NIL" we're heading into this poised for rampant corruption to be the rule rather than the exception.
I can't believe the cost of a college education today. My last check, covered all my classes as full time student, a dorm room, with 1 roommate and 10 meals a week was 481 bucks. Books were extra 20-30 for a used one. So roughly 600$ a quarter if I ate Roman noodles on weekends. My degree cost me less than 8k. Now that won't even get your books. I graduated college in 1975
College sports are at an all time high in popularity and the college football playoff starts next year. Players making money will have zero effect on the popularity of the sport. Get over it, you were wrong. It's better with players getting paid.
Let's revisit this conversation in a few years.....i feel from many a souring on college with players coming and going at this rate.
You can count me in this group. I am renewing tickets next year, as I have been attending games since 1973. And a lot of those years we sucked . . . . but usually because we had bad coaches and poor recruiting. Just didn't have a good program, but I always felt like we could at least become good to decent with the right group in charge, and lately, we have pretty much done so.
BUT . . . if we fall back to the days of 3-9 solely because our group of NIL contributors can't "pony up" enough to buy good enough players to be competitive, and we are constantly losing to more well funded semi professional teams, then I will find something else to do. And I don't think I am alone in that feeling.
I have no problem with players getting paid. Regular students get jobs and get paid for working, taxes are deducted from their earnings and they must use their money to pay tuition, room and board and spending money. Give Athletes a choice of either earning a hourly wage or a scholarship and everything that comes with it. If they take the hourly wage they must use it for tuition, room and board, medical premiums and have taxes deducted. Of course if they earn a achedimic scholarship they can reep the benefits of it plus the hourly pay. If their money runs out they can always take out a student loan.
Agreed but that nirvana will not be the case. These athletes aren't going to be working hourly jobs for their NIL, etc... They expect to just get paid because they show up on football field and these scam jobs (like CROd and the transportation deal that got him suspended 4 games) isn't something they will partake in.
It is hard to swallow that Ohio State grosses $250M a year on athletics, but the players are not being paid by the school.
Here is an idea I could get behind. Take the schools that choose to go the professional route and let them pay the players directly. One way to do it is for the AD to cut the administrative bloat out of his/her department while at the same time pay the top coaches $3 or $4M a year, instead of $8M or $10M. Voila, at places like TOSU, there is a $20M pile of cash for the players to get paid, and the money comes out of the administration. Frankly, just like NFL and MLB, you are probably better from a competitive side paying for top players than for top coaches, especially in basketball, where one or two players can have such a huge impact.
Personally, I see no rational way to play the non revenue sports athletes even at these football factory schools, much less the lower level teams like AAC and MAC, which can't pay even the football players.
I think the Athletes in non revenue sports would take the scholarship over hourly wage. In the revenue sports the players getting NIL plus hourly wage would choose money. Players not getting NIL would probably take scholarship over hourly wage.
I do agree with many of your points.
This. Colleges today are total profit centers. I read that Harvard University (not a prolific school of sports revenue generation) has an endowment of over $50 BILLION dollars, and is a tax free institute. And this is not unusual for most universities around the country. And yet it costs anywhere from $100,000 to 600,000 now to get a college degree from most schools. It is outrageous. And politicians want to focus on having tax payers pay off student loans rather than going after the universities. These schools make more than enough to pay athletes since that pandora's box has been opened.
