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They took a dive

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No other explanation. The fix was in and they took a dive. There is no way anyone makes that call in that situation. No way.
 
Vegas lost a ton of money by Seattle not scoring, so who did they take a dive for?
 
It might go down as the worst play call in history. How do you not give the ball to beast mode there.
 
Sure Joker was not calling that play (LOL)? How many times did he make bonehead calls in goaline situations to lose crucial games (took the ball out of Cobbs hands). Poor Matthews must have been feeling Deja Vu all over again.
 
A guy at work said the same thing so I'll ask you what I asked him if it was a taking a dive. Guess the entire Seattle offense except for the receiver who caught the ball after hitting off his foot and leg was in on this dive taking. Please explain the circus catch if it was "taking a dive" because my buddy couldn't either. Take it for what it is. Pete Carroll knew everybody in the world thought he was going to run the ball and he wanted to be the smartest man in the room by throwing the ball. Instead he became the dumbest man in the room.
 
Dumb post. Without a ridiculously amazing defensive play, that is a touchdown. And it almost was anyway. If they were taking a dive they would have thrown it out of the endzone or something like that.
 
Originally posted by docinjax:
Dumb post. Without a ridiculously amazing defensive play, that is a touchdown. And it almost was anyway. If they were taking a dive they would have thrown it out of the endzone or something like that.
Kudos, sir. You get it. 26 seconds left. One TO. Everybody in America thought Lynch was going to get the ball. What if he gets stopped after the 1st running attempt? Use the last TO. And then what? A bad snap maybe? Handoff isn't clean? You have to run a scramble play where anything can happen and most of them are bad.
 
Another way to look at it...If the Seahawks win with a run, Chris Mathews or Jermaine Kearse win MVP, thus requiring big money contracts. You already will have to pay Wilson more, so you let him pass and win and get MVP. Business decision to try to win? Crazy thought but nothing else makes sense either.
 
I do not subscribe to the dive theory but it was an amazing stupid call on second down. IMO you run it at least once inside with your beast RB and on the next down if you do not score you roll out your very talented dual threat QB with with a run pass option. On fourth if I didn't score I put the QB up under center not in the shotgun and fake to the beast RB and maybe run the play that was intercepted or a corner fade. That was a truly bad call in that game situation.
 
I read this somewhere else, but perhaps the worst call was not kicking the FG at the end of the 1st half. Those 3 points would have made the last call moot. All and all, just not a good day for one of the game's best ever coaches.
 
Originally posted by GhostVol:

Originally posted by docinjax:
Dumb post. Without a ridiculously amazing defensive play, that is a touchdown. And it almost was anyway. If they were taking a dive they would have thrown it out of the endzone or something like that.
Kudos, sir. You get it. 26 seconds left. One TO. Everybody in America thought Lynch was going to get the ball. What if he gets stopped after the 1st running attempt? Use the last TO. And then what? A bad snap maybe? Handoff isn't clean? You have to run a scramble play where anything can happen and most of them are bad.
Exactly. Seattle is being unfairly crushed for the playcall. It is 2nd down, 30 seconds left, 1 TO. if they run it and are short, have to call the TO. And then for 3rd & 4th down, NE **KNOWS** it is a pass. They tried to cross them up by passing on the obvious run down. Lined up in a read-option look and hoped NE sold out on the dive up the middle or Wilson around the end. Took a helluva read & break by that cornerback, who if you watch the sideline video was 5 yards off the receiver, from Wilson's point of view the WR was breaking wide-ass open for the goal line.
 
Originally posted by BoulderCat:

I read this somewhere else, but perhaps the worst call was not kicking the FG at the end of the 1st half. Those 3 points would have made the last call moot. All and all, just not a good day for one of the game's best ever coaches.
Did you watch the end of the half? Seahawks went for it and scored a TD on a pass to Matthews. I take that any day over a FG. It put them tied instead of behind at half.
 
Originally posted by BoulderCat:

I read this somewhere else, but perhaps the worst call was not kicking the FG at the end of the 1st half. Those 3 points would have made the last call moot. All and all, just not a good day for one of the game's best ever coaches.
What?

You know they scored a touchdown right before half, right? If they had gone for a field goal they would have been down 8 instead of 4 on that last drive.
 
Originally posted by docinjax:
Dumb post. Without a ridiculously amazing defensive play, that is a touchdown. And it almost was anyway. If they were taking a dive they would have thrown it out of the endzone or something like that.
Sigh. I underestimate way too much.
 
Originally posted by JHB4UK:

Originally posted by GhostVol:


Originally posted by docinjax:
Dumb post. Without a ridiculously amazing defensive play, that is a touchdown. And it almost was anyway. If they were taking a dive they would have thrown it out of the endzone or something like that.
Kudos, sir. You get it. 26 seconds left. One TO. Everybody in America thought Lynch was going to get the ball. What if he gets stopped after the 1st running attempt? Use the last TO. And then what? A bad snap maybe? Handoff isn't clean? You have to run a scramble play where anything can happen and most of them are bad.
Exactly. Seattle is being unfairly crushed for the playcall. It is 2nd down, 30 seconds left, 1 TO. if they run it and are short, have to call the TO. And then for 3rd & 4th down, NE **KNOWS** it is a pass. They tried to cross them up by passing on the obvious run down. Lined up in a read-option look and hoped NE sold out on the dive up the middle or Wilson around the end. Took a helluva read & break by that cornerback, who if you watch the sideline video was 5 yards off the receiver, from Wilson's point of view the WR was breaking wide-ass open for the goal line.
^^^^^^^^ This is exactly right. I honestly think it was a bad call to throw there and would have opted for the run but the above was PC's reasoning.

Still see some "dive talk theory" in this thread. Who would they have been taking a dive for? The majority of the money was on New England so Vegas took a nice bath on the game.

On another note, I was as equally baffled if not more by Belichick's not calling a timeout after the first down run to the one. One has to figure the hawks score there and if they had they would not have preserved hardly anytime at all to do anything with. It worked obviously but still seemed strange. Doesn't matter if you have two timeouts if the hawks score with 20 seconds left or so which is about what they would have had.
 
You guys are thinking too much - it's being called the worst play call in history because that's what it was. Here's what you're missing: New England was 31st in the league in short yardage run defense, Seattle was 2nd in the league in short yardage run offense. Lynch had 24 runs, and on 22 he got at least one yard. All this talk about "they would have had to pass on a down anyway" disregards the most likely outcome: they wouldn't need 3 rushes for him to get 3 yards, he'd have most likely gotten it the first time. Second point, if you're going to pass there, throw a fade or something - not into the teeth of the defense. Dumbest call in history.

By the way, not sure what Vegas has to do with it. If Bevell was on the take, all it calls for is someone who had a lot of money on the Pats to write him a sizeable check. That did not happen, you couldn't get away with that. But that's the route.....
 
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