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The University of Jamal Murray

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Cal is walking a fine line with Murray. The kid is a rare talent. Some coaches would put the ball in Murray's hands and get out of the way. That ain't Cal.

Cal is working overtime to break Murray from the non-winning plays he makes - plays that Murray doesn't see the same way Cal does.

We all remember what happened with the University of Jodie Meeks. Coach and player butted heads and that season went straight down the crapper.

I don't believe Cal will let that happen, but he won't yield either. Cal will work to break Murray's bad habits right up until March. Then, he will hand him the keys.

One of the smoothest coaching moves Cal ever made was taking the blame for all of Andrew's shortcomings right as the NCAA tourney started in '14.
 
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we live or die with Murray and Ulis. Need to play zone to keep their legs fresh. No zone while OSU lite us up from outside?
 
we live or die with Murray and Ulis. Need to play zone to keep their legs fresh. No zone while OSU lite us up from outside?

Are you saying a zone would help us stop the three?
 
Cal is walking a fine line with Murray. The kid is a rare talent. Some coaches would put the ball in Murray's hands and get out of the way. That ain't Cal.

Cal is working overtime to break Murray from the non-winning plays he makes - plays that Murray doesn't see the same way Cal does.

We all remember what happened with the University of Jodie Meeks. Coach and player butted heads and that season went straight down the crapper.

I don't believe Cal will let that happen, but he won't yield either. Cal will work to break Murray's bad habits right up until March. Then, he will hand him the keys.

One of the smoothest coaching moves Cal ever made was taking the blame for all of Andrew's shortcomings right as the NCAA tourney started in '14.

Which bad habit(s) are you talking about: being able to consistently hit 3s better than anyone else on the team, playing harder than anyone else, having the courage to take the big shots? We very few options, when it comes to Murray, maybe Cal should get out of the way.
 
Look at his record. Cal will be fine. Murray and Meeks are players any coach would relish coaching.

The alternative is CBG coaching up a guy who can't shoot . 'Nuff said.
 
Murray's 2nd half performance is the most remarkable half of offensive basketball I have ever seen displayed by a UK player PERIOD.
I saw Meeks drop 54 on UT also.
Murray's half was better than either of Meeks' that day, not because of the 27 pts. But because of the 7 threes.
 
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Which bad habit(s) are you talking about: being able to consistently hit 3s better than anyone else on the team, playing harder than anyone else, having the courage to take the big shots? We very few options, when it comes to Murray, maybe Cal should get out of the way.

Which is why you aren't coaching.

Murray is awesome and he did great things today. Cal preferred to discuss the mistakes he made. And yes, Murray makes dumb basketball plays every game, to go along with the great things he does.

It's interesting to watch. Cal doesn't get the most out of players by accident. These are two hard-headed, talented guys who challenge each other. I like our chances of it turning out well.
 
Which is why you aren't coaching.

Murray is awesome and he did great things today. Cal preferred to discuss the mistakes he made. And yes, Murray makes dumb basketball plays every game, to go along with the great things he does.

It's interesting to watch. Cal doesn't get the most out of players by accident. These are two hard-headed, talented guys who challenge each other. I like our chances of it turning out well.

Well our players didn't corner the market on making dumb decisions. Our coach has his share but hey you are the type that gives the coach all the credit for the good while blaming the players for everything bad including recruiting players that never get on the court and will certainly be recruited over.
 
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Well our players didn't corner the market on making dumb decisions. Our coach has his share but hey your are the type that gives the coach all the credit for the good while blaming the players for everything bad including recruiting players that never get on the court and will certainly be recruited over.

I sense a lot of anger.
 
We need to find a way to have Murray try as hard on defense as he does on offense.

He has his moments.

I actually don't mind selling out to Murray and letting him go for 25 a night, if that's the best path to success.

But that doesn't mean you let him get away with making hero plays that cost the team.

That's Cal's challenge. How to convince this great player that every play isn't great just because he made it.
 
Well our players didn't corner the market on making dumb decisions. Our coach has his share but hey you are the type that gives the coach all the credit for the good while blaming the players for everything bad including recruiting players that never get on the court and will certainly be recruited over.
You are the most negative poster on both this board and the football board. Congrats.
 
You are the most negative poster on both this board and the football board. Congrats.

It is only considered negative when you remind people that these players that they are so quick to criticize were first recruited and taught the game by someone called a coach. If the players aren't good enough to play, the coach shouldn't have recruited them. If they are good enough to play, then the coach obviously hasn't done a good enough job getting them ready to play. Either way it goes, the coach isn't blameless as much as you would like for him to be. I will stop being negative towards the coach when you stop attacking the players.
 
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We shouldn't concern ourselves with wins and losses. What's really important is that we are able to get as many players drafted in the first round as possible. If our guys don't step up I'm afraid they will see a drop in their draft projections, and I for one definitely want to continue our steak of putting guys in the pros in the first round. That's the goal.
 
We shouldn't concern ourselves with wins and losses. What's really important is that we are able to get as many players drafted in the first round as possible. If our guys don't step up I'm afraid they will see a drop in their draft projections, and I for one definitely want to continue our steak of putting guys in the pros in the first round. That's the goal.

Right, because Kentucky is lacking success under Cal.
 
I wish the 2nd half Murray would have showed up 20 minutes earlier. If he is playing like the 2nd half Murray he would have ended up with 40-45 points today. The 1st half stretch from about 8 minutes to nearly 3 minutes without scoring was a killer today. When you have players like Murray, Ulis, and Briscoe on the court there is no way you should go 5 minutes without scoring with how well they dish, drive to the basket, or shoot. Ulis has been in a 3 point slump so far and we know from last year shooting over 41% from 3 he can hit the 3. Ulis was 1-7 from 3 and Briscoe was 1-9 from shooting and the two were 5 for 21 for 24%. They had good looks at the basket today the shots were not falling and there was quite a few layups missed by Briscoe today. If some of these shots were falling today UK wins over OSU. Cal also has to figure out what he is going to do with Skal. Try him at Forward since he has a nice shot or keep in the middle.
 
We need to find a way to have Murray try as hard on defense as he does on offense.

We had a player here name Kyle Wiltjer that couldn't play man to man defense, so we had no real court time for him. He is now an All American. Would that have happened at UK? No, because we would not embraced a defense to use while he was on the court so that we could benefit from his exceptional offensive skills.

Sometimes a good defense is a good offense. Basically, a good offense can sometimes place enough pressure on an opponent, that it takes away their will to play. If you keep your best offensive players on the bench because they are not your best defenders, you are providing your opponents an assist. Cal has gotten into the heads of Murray and Skal about defense to the point of crippling their offensive skills. We were better off having the Skal we had around the time of the Duke game then what we have now. He has gone from not being a complete player to not being a player at all.
 
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Just watched highlights of the game .. wish Jamal would have challenged that 3 pt shot just a little , let the guy rise and get a clean look when you knew because of time he was going to take that shot . Poor defensive concentration at that point .
 
Cal is walking a fine line with Murray. The kid is a rare talent. Some coaches would put the ball in Murray's hands and get out of the way. That ain't Cal.

Cal is working overtime to break Murray from the non-winning plays he makes - plays that Murray doesn't see the same way Cal does.

We all remember what happened with the University of Jodie Meeks. Coach and player butted heads and that season went straight down the crapper.

I don't believe Cal will let that happen, but he won't yield either. Cal will work to break Murray's bad habits right up until March. Then, he will hand him the keys.

One of the smoothest coaching moves Cal ever made was taking the blame for all of Andrew's shortcomings right as the NCAA tourney started in '14.

Surely, Murray is sharp enough to see when he watches game film, that when he takes good shots, most often, he scores. When he shoots 20 foot fadeaway shots, while falling out of bounds, on the baseline, he doesn't. Cal not only has to break him of these kind of shots, but he has to somehow get the others to elevate their games, so that when a team shuts down Murray, we're not beaten. If he can get the rest of the team to play better, it will only help Murray be the player that we saw play last year.
 
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You are living in the past which isn't helping this team at all. Past success is no guarantee for future success.

Nothing I do helps or hurts this team.

As far as past successes blah blah, that wasn't what i was saying or replying to and you know it. I'm not playing your dumbass games.
 
It is only considered negative when you remind people that these players that they are so quick to criticize were first recruited and taught the game by someone called a coach. If the players aren't good enough to play, the coach shouldn't have recruited them. If they are good enough to play, then the coach obviously hasn't done a good enough job getting them ready to play. Either way it goes, the coach isn't blameless as much as you would like for him to be. I will stop being negative towards the coach when you stop attacking the players.

It's December. Maybe the coach just hasn't had enough time to teach a bunch of freshman everything he needs to.
 
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