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We simply aren't scoring near enough to win....it's simple as that. And very dissapointing even with a new Oline but we have way better WR core, NFL QB back and we are way down from last year.

- 28 pts a game is where we are at this year
- 32 pts a game was last years' final stats.
- Levis is good for 1-2 turnovers a game...he is mistake prone.
- We've already played all the scrub teams to pad up some stats (well maybe UL still counts :).)....so the average scoring isn't likely to improve as the year wares on.

- We've also had special team return scores and/or short fields from Barion Brown and Tayvion
- Florida game 26 pts.....we had a TD from the D and another TD put on the 6 yard line.
- Ole Miss 19 pts...granted we left 5 pts off the board with special teams screw ups. But we had to have Barion Brown KO return one for 85 yards and another for 54 yards to set up short fields to even get to 19 pts.

As the year wears on with SEC teams left....we're basically putting the defense in a position to not let a team score more than 24 pts or we lose that game...and that doesn't take account for the offense putting the defense in bad spots with turnovers. And we're also counting on our special teams to create points or short fields to score as little as we do which is not dependable game in and game out. That is a ton of pressure on the rest of team due to offense being a good bit down from last year.

I'm sort of fine with Scangerello....but he's proven to be not equal to Coen. Levis is at times taking sacks instead of getting the ball out. BUt Yenser....he looks way over his year out there. His unit is killing a really good team in about every other phase.
 
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Bad OLine and Scang aren’t a great combo.

Scang seems to like to craft plays and route combinations that are 90% at or beyond 10 years completions. Coen seemed to mix in more RB passes and 3-5 yard quick hitters with an occasional shot. Combine that difference with a weak OLine that has Will on a 3 second clock instead of the standard 4 and it’s not a great combo.

Will also isnt scrambling as much and part of me wonders if it’s the new OC emphasizing staying in the pocket and footwork keeping your eyes downfield instead of scrambling. It was also talked about Levis gaining even more muscle in the off-season and I wonder if that’s slowed him down half a step bc I haven’t seen him beat a guy to the edge all year and he consistently was able to outrun Dlinemen and most LBs last year.

I don’t think Scang is a bad OC but I prefer Coens style. He will work long term if We fix the line; it’s a must if we are going to run longer developing plays more consistently than we previously had
 
Why is this shocking to anyone?

We returned 4 offensive starters. 2 of them are playing new positions (Cox & Horsey). Another starter was suspended first 4 games.

No team in CFB is going to score the same or better with that personnel changes.

Perhaps scoring goes up rest of the season as CRod settles in, O line gets somewhat consistent, freshman WR get more experienced. If the QB is healthy, naturally.
 
We averaged 28.8ppg through our first 5 games last year….we are averaging 28.8ppg through our first 5 games this year. While we had only played 2 stinky teams at this point last year, we had also played 3 of the 5 worst teams in the SEC.

Last year, we averaged 29.2 ppg going into the 2 final regular season games.

Through his first 5 games this year, Levis has thrown for 1400 yards and 12 TD’s, rushed for 2 TD’s and has 4 INT’s and 2 fumbles.

Through his first 5 games last year, Levis threw for 989 yards and 8 TD’s, rushed for 1 TD and had 6 INT’s and 1 fumble.

So, this year, Levis has more yards passing (by a ton), more TD’s (by a ton) and less turnovers through the sane amount of games.

IMO, we were so happy to get out of the end of the Eddie Gran era that we thought The offense last year was much more explosive than it was.
 
We simply aren't scoring near enough to win....it's simple as that. And very dissapointing even with a new Oline but we have way better WR core, NFL QB back and we are way down from last year.

- 28 pts a game is where we are at this year
- 32 pts a game was last years' final stats.
- Levis is good for 1-2 turnovers a game...he is mistake prone.
- We've already played all the scrub teams to pad up some stats (well maybe UL still counts :).)....so the average scoring isn't likely to improve as the year wares on.

- We've also had special team return scores and/or short fields from Barion Brown and Tayvion
- Florida game 26 pts.....we had a TD from the D and another TD put on the 6 yard line.
- Ole Miss 19 pts...granted we left 5 pts off the board with special teams screw ups. But we had to have Barion Brown KO return one for 85 yards and another for 54 yards to set up short fields to even get to 19 pts.

As the year wears on with SEC teams left....we're basically putting the defense in a position to not let a team score more than 24 pts or we lose that game...and that doesn't take account for the offense putting the defense in bad spots with turnovers. And we're also counting on our special teams to create points or short fields to score as little as we do which is not dependable game in and game out. That is a ton of pressure on the rest of team due to offense being a good bit down from last year.

I'm sort of fine with Scangerello....but he's proven to be not equal to Coen. Levis is at times taking sacks instead of getting the ball out. BUt Yenser....he looks way over his year out there. His unit is killing a really good team in about every other phase.
The O line is not as good as last years.
 
There is a lot that goes into this- we have a new offensive coordinator installing a new variation of last years offense, we have a new o line coach with essentially a new o line this year that is replacing both NFL caliber tackles. We haven't had our top 2 running backs all season, we had true frosh wide receivers starting and this all goes hand in hand. It's all connected and not as simple as saying oh the offenses isn't as good and we are down. We will see the similar results next year when our D is impacted by graduation. Our fans act like we recruit like the Bama's of the world and we shouldn't see peaks and valleys, but we don't and all the things like I listed above, affect the product. It's growing pains when you are building a program. Doesn't mean I like it, doesn't mean that I don't agree the offense costs us last week and that we can do better, but it is par for the course in college football
 
We averaged 28.8ppg through our first 5 games last year….we are averaging 28.8ppg through our first 5 games this year. While we had only played 2 stinky teams at this point last year, we had also played 3 of the 5 worst teams in the SEC.

Last year, we averaged 29.2 ppg going into the 2 final regular season games.

Through his first 5 games this year, Levis has thrown for 1400 yards and 12 TD’s, rushed for 2 TD’s and has 4 INT’s and 2 fumbles.

Through his first 5 games last year, Levis threw for 989 yards and 8 TD’s, rushed for 1 TD and had 6 INT’s and 1 fumble.

So, this year, Levis has more yards passing (by a ton), more TD’s (by a ton) and less turnovers through the sane amount of games.

IMO, we were so happy to get out of the end of the Eddie Gran era that we thought The offense last year was much more explosive than it was.
Exactly, I dont know why people can't compare apples to apples.
 
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Bad OLine and Scang aren’t a great combo.

Scang seems to like to craft plays and route combinations that are 90% at or beyond 10 years completions. Coen seemed to mix in more RB passes and 3-5 yard quick hitters with an occasional shot. Combine that difference with a weak OLine that has Will on a 3 second clock instead of the standard 4 and it’s not a great combo.

Will also isnt scrambling as much and part of me wonders if it’s the new OC emphasizing staying in the pocket and footwork keeping your eyes downfield instead of scrambling. It was also talked about Levis gaining even more muscle in the off-season and I wonder if that’s slowed him down half a step bc I haven’t seen him beat a guy to the edge all year and he consistently was able to outrun Dlinemen and most LBs last year.

I don’t think Scang is a bad OC but I prefer Coens style. He will work long term if We fix the line; it’s a must if we are going to run longer developing plays more consistently than we previously had
Pretty much spot on but begs the question how a paid coach doesn’t see this and make the needed adjustments. Coaches who constantly try to shove squares into round holes drives me absolute bonkers.
 
Bad OLine and Scang aren’t a great combo.

Scang seems to like to craft plays and route combinations that are 90% at or beyond 10 years completions. Coen seemed to mix in more RB passes and 3-5 yard quick hitters with an occasional shot. Combine that difference with a weak OLine that has Will on a 3 second clock instead of the standard 4 and it’s not a great combo.

Will also isnt scrambling as much and part of me wonders if it’s the new OC emphasizing staying in the pocket and footwork keeping your eyes downfield instead of scrambling. It was also talked about Levis gaining even more muscle in the off-season and I wonder if that’s slowed him down half a step bc I haven’t seen him beat a guy to the edge all year and he consistently was able to outrun Dlinemen and most LBs last year.

I don’t think Scang is a bad OC but I prefer Coens style. He will work long term if We fix the line; it’s a must if we are going to run longer developing plays more consistently than we previously had
I agree here....at times vs. Ole Miss we were running too deep routes when 3 yards was that was needed. We're going to have to shorten the routes as this Oline can't hold up.
 
The O line is not as good as last years.

This. This is really it. Look no further. Every other aspect on offense is much improved but this group has 5 brand new people and they're just not gelled yet. They're way better in pass pro than run blocking. In run blocking there is still way too much miscommunication and too much push to get second level before we have the first level handled. The other factor is we aren't running will as much to save his draft status.

Every other aspect is better. Better tes (except blocking. Rigg was a great blocker and these guys are far from it so far), much better wrs, better rbs, QB much improved. Even though he still mostly refuses to throw the safety valve, despite posters constantly saying we only run deep routes.

Just think of where we'd be without the return game and without some huge defensive plays/scores.

I said in another post this is a gap year for us. Our OL and skill positions are way out of balance. Next year our OL will be better and we'll almost surely get good rbs and a QB from the portal. So next year will probably look much better.
 
I agree here....at times vs. Ole Miss we were running too deep routes when 3 yards was that was needed. We're going to have to shorten the routes as this Oline can't hold up.

I see this time and again and it just isn't true. Every route combo we have includes at least one release valve. Usually more than one unless we're max protect. The fact the QB won't throw that ball is confounding, but doesn't mean it isn't there. He's his own worst enemy on many of these hits. Get rid of the ball, even if it's short, save your body, let guys get what they can and move to the next.

Instead he holds the ball always looking for the big play. It's great when it happens once every 4 games, but in the meantime it's alot of wear and tear he doesn't need. Just throw the ball and move on
 
Its more about Jimmy’s and Joe’s than Xs and Os….
Stafford and Levis have some similar issues with turnovers and sometimes relying on all arm under pressure and not stepping into throws Those kind of guys need good pockets and confidence.

That said I think Coen is more innovative that Scag but I do like how much more Scag uses the tight ends.
 
Wow -could it be we have the worst Oline in SEC? I think we do. Hard to run much with no blocking
I love the new OC he’s very good - just hard to dial up plays when you stink up front and Dingle - Key - Brown are Freshman blocking on edge
 
We simply aren't scoring near enough to win....it's simple as that. And very dissapointing even with a new Oline but we have way better WR core, NFL QB back and we are way down from last year.

- 28 pts a game is where we are at this year
- 32 pts a game was last years' final stats.
- Levis is good for 1-2 turnovers a game...he is mistake prone.
- We've already played all the scrub teams to pad up some stats (well maybe UL still counts :).)....so the average scoring isn't likely to improve as the year wares on.

- We've also had special team return scores and/or short fields from Barion Brown and Tayvion
- Florida game 26 pts.....we had a TD from the D and another TD put on the 6 yard line.
- Ole Miss 19 pts...granted we left 5 pts off the board with special teams screw ups. But we had to have Barion Brown KO return one for 85 yards and another for 54 yards to set up short fields to even get to 19 pts.

As the year wears on with SEC teams left....we're basically putting the defense in a position to not let a team score more than 24 pts or we lose that game...and that doesn't take account for the offense putting the defense in bad spots with turnovers. And we're also counting on our special teams to create points or short fields to score as little as we do which is not dependable game in and game out. That is a ton of pressure on the rest of team due to offense being a good bit down from last year.

I'm sort of fine with Scangerello....but he's proven to be not equal to Coen. Levis is at times taking sacks instead of getting the ball out. BUt Yenser....he looks way over his year out there. His unit is killing a really good team in about every other phase.
Great post ...my feeling exactly. Our defense is great, it's 2022 and offense now wins championships. We have the best skill position player since MS has been here, but we still are not to the level we need to be. The meat of our schedule is coming up and the offense/ST.needs to step it up.
 
Everything wrong with our offense comes down to the offensive line, which is probably the worst in the SEC right now. If you didn't realize how critical the Big Blue Wall was...now you know. We literally won bowl games without a QB because of the guys up front.

If we don't get the line figured to at least being serviceable, we are not going to move forward and will possibly get Levis put out for the season.
 
I mean, welcome to being a UK fan? Or a CFB fan of any team not named Bama, Ohio, Georgia?

Everybody else in CFB is going to have to deal with 1 unit that is sub par, even in a year when excitement and enthusiasm over the rest of the team is high. Might have a great front 7 but inexperienced secondary. Great O line but no good QB play. Great QB but no gamebreakers at WR. Many yrs as a UK fan I watched teams with great offense, no defense. Or vice versa.

Last yr a shaky secondary cost us games against Miss St & Knoxville. I guess it is safe to assume our shaky O line might cost us a game or 2 that otherwise would be winnable.

It is what it is.
 
Maybe I missed something last year but I don't recall but very few passes to RBs and TEs last year. Almost every week, posters were complaining about 'not using the TE'. I myself posted several times about not throwing the checkdowns to the RBs when necessary or even as a designed play. This year is 100x better in those two aspects.

Couple having CRod on the bench for the 1st 4 games and a shaky OL and I don't see how you can say Scang is not doing at least as good of a job as Coen (who did a really good job). Plus, we don't have only 1 WR catching every ball. We had some real stinkers on offense last year and no one seems to remember those games.

I don't see a lot of difference in effectiveness of the offense when you consider Levis has taken 16, 18, however many sacks and even more hurries. Does he hold the ball too long at times? Yes. Are there plays where the defense is in his face almost immediately? Yes. Has he utilized many of the weapons at his disposal rather than concentrating on one guy all the time? Yes.

Jury's out on the OL. They may improve. They may be pretty poor all year long. But, with CRod back (who is quite clearly vastly superior to every other RB on the roster), I would expect us to continue to score around 30 ppg. That ain't bad.
 
We simply aren't scoring near enough to win....it's simple as that. And very dissapointing even with a new Oline but we have way better WR core, NFL QB back and we are way down from last year.

- 28 pts a game is where we are at this year
- 32 pts a game was last years' final stats.
- Levis is good for 1-2 turnovers a game...he is mistake prone.
- We've already played all the scrub teams to pad up some stats (well maybe UL still counts :).)....so the average scoring isn't likely to improve as the year wares on.

- We've also had special team return scores and/or short fields from Barion Brown and Tayvion
- Florida game 26 pts.....we had a TD from the D and another TD put on the 6 yard line.
- Ole Miss 19 pts...granted we left 5 pts off the board with special teams screw ups. But we had to have Barion Brown KO return one for 85 yards and another for 54 yards to set up short fields to even get to 19 pts.

As the year wears on with SEC teams left....we're basically putting the defense in a position to not let a team score more than 24 pts or we lose that game...and that doesn't take account for the offense putting the defense in bad spots with turnovers. And we're also counting on our special teams to create points or short fields to score as little as we do which is not dependable game in and game out. That is a ton of pressure on the rest of team due to offense being a good bit down from last year.

I'm sort of fine with Scangerello....but he's proven to be not equal to Coen. Levis is at times taking sacks instead of getting the ball out. BUt Yenser....he looks way over his year out there. His unit is killing a really good team in about every other phase.
I think the question is what adjustments they'll make. The offense last year improved mid year after they made decisions 'this is what Will can do and this is where he struggles some', 'this is our strength and we don't have as much in this area'....I think Scangarello is smart and has play design...now it's whether we can carve things down into 'this is who we are and what we do' with the oline issues but now that c rod is back, etc. Feels like we have called a lot of plays just out of maxing the Levis tool set. I mean his arm can exploit the whole field. But maybe we need to go back to more of the early tight end stuff and a higher dose of short throws we have had some success on and then go play action off those things if we can get better ypc with chris. It will be interesting to see.
 
Jury's out on the OL. They may improve. They may be pretty poor all year long. But, with CRod back (who is quite clearly vastly superior to every other RB on the roster), I would expect us to continue to score around 30 ppg. That ain't bad.
Agree with most of your post...but the Jury is not out on this Oline. It's pretty clear....they are terrible and probably bottom 3 in the conference. I just don't see how you can argue it any other way.

We had CRod back, Barion Brown got a 85 and 54 yard KO return to set up short fields....and they muster up 19 pts vs. what I feel will be a below average Ole Miss D. I don't think we'll get close to 30 vs. Miss St, UGA for sure. Tennessee isn't good on D and they play so fast for more possessions....but I'll bet we come up short of 30 on them. Will UK score 40+ on Vandy, UL and USCjr to average out to 30ppg....I am not feeling good about that happening.
 
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We averaged 28.8ppg through our first 5 games last year….we are averaging 28.8ppg through our first 5 games this year. While we had only played 2 stinky teams at this point last year, we had also played 3 of the 5 worst teams in the SEC.

Last year, we averaged 29.2 ppg going into the 2 final regular season games.

Through his first 5 games this year, Levis has thrown for 1400 yards and 12 TD’s, rushed for 2 TD’s and has 4 INT’s and 2 fumbles.

Through his first 5 games last year, Levis threw for 989 yards and 8 TD’s, rushed for 1 TD and had 6 INT’s and 1 fumble.

So, this year, Levis has more yards passing (by a ton), more TD’s (by a ton) and less turnovers through the sane amount of games.

IMO, we were so happy to get out of the end of the Eddie Gran era that we thought The offense last year was much more explosive than it was.
AND ,out all SEC running back has only played ONE game .
 
I see this time and again and it just isn't true. Every route combo we have includes at least one release valve. Usually more than one unless we're max protect. The fact the QB won't throw that ball is confounding, but doesn't mean it isn't there. He's his own worst enemy on many of these hits. Get rid of the ball, even if it's short, save your body, let guys get what they can and move to the next.

Instead he holds the ball always looking for the big play. It's great when it happens once every 4 games, but in the meantime it's alot of wear and tear he doesn't need. Just throw the ball and move on
It’s right there on film if a person wanted to REALLY know what’s happening.
 
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It’s right there on film if a person wanted to REALLY know what’s happening.

It's always good to see van hiles breakdowns match up with what I see in person or live on tv. I just wish all fans would watch them as they do really provide awesome depth for the casual fan. The OL hasn't been as bad as people say and will hasn't been as good as people say. It's that simple.

Gotta say scang has really impressed. He isn't as creative as coen but he's very very solid. I really like how his route concepts are literally tailored to help will on his reads. Every single route combination has a layered concept underneath. That means we have a short and medium guy and all will has to do is read one defender to know which to use. He just holds the ball too long looking for the big play.
 
The real season started at Ole Miss. When we got our best player back.
O-1.
I don't believe any of the stats before Chris Rodriguez matter at all especially with the running game.

Take the stats from Ole Miss and what you get from South Carolina and that's probably what they are if Levis plays. One good team, one bad team to tell.
See where we're at after South Carolina stats wise.
the Ole Miss and South Carolina games versus the first four games stats.


If Levis ain't playing.... they're looking to run the ball down South Carolina's throat.
Chris Rod straight and B brown with the end around.
 
Agree with most of your post...but the Jury is not out on this Oline. It's pretty clear....they are terrible and probably bottom 3 in the conference. I just don't see how you can argue it any other way.

We had CRod back, Barion Brown got a 85 and 54 yard KO return to set up short fields....and they muster up 19 pts vs. what I feel will be a below average Ole Miss D. I don't think we'll get close to 30 vs. Miss St, UGA for sure. Tennessee isn't good on D and they play so fast for more possessions....but I'll bet we come up short of 30 on them. Will UK score 40+ on Vandy, UL and USCjr to average out to 30ppg....I am not feeling good about that happening.
K,
You may be right. But, I just happen to think the OL could improve with more reps. It's been known to happen. I see some good things from the line in almost every game. I don't see CONSISTENT good things in every game and that's a huge problem. Still see too many plays where one or more OL looks lost or just flat out blows an assignment. Some of that may be on the TE/RB/WR also not fulfilling their assignment but I'm not an OL coach. If we're into the 9th game of the season and see the same problems, then, I will agree that this line is way below expectations. But, I haven't completely written them off, yet.

The 19 points is a bit misleading as we left 5 easy points on the field and had a TD called back that a quarter of a second decided. Very easily could have had 31 points Saturday. Scang made some really good calls on Saturday (screen to Brown late, screen to Smoke who dropped a pretty sure TD, the end around to Cummings for big yards, both big passes to CRod, etc.). I don't think it's the playcalling/OC's fault if the offense doesn't eclipse 30 ppg this year. Lot of obstacles to overcome.

I hope to see some improvement this week. USC's defense should not be as good as Ole Miss' (I think they'll end up in the middle of the SEC or perhaps better in total D this year - they've got some players and a solid scheme). If Levis can go, we should be able to rack up 30+ points assuming we don't shoot ourselves in the foot with penalties and TOs. If he can't go, I think 24 is probably the ceiling not counting ST or D scoring.
 
we had one of the best o-lines in the country last year, if Dare had stayed this line would look much different. I think we can still win 10 games with the players we have!
 
Dare left & went undrafted, didn't make a roster. Could have returned, been the leader of the Big Blue Wall, and blocked the blind side of a 1st round QB while getting on lots of scouts video

What a waste
 
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We simply aren't scoring near enough to win....it's simple as that. And very dissapointing even with a new Oline but we have way better WR core, NFL QB back and we are way down from last year.

- 28 pts a game is where we are at this year
- 32 pts a game was last years' final stats.
- Levis is good for 1-2 turnovers a game...he is mistake prone.
- We've already played all the scrub teams to pad up some stats (well maybe UL still counts :).)....so the average scoring isn't likely to improve as the year wares on.

- We've also had special team return scores and/or short fields from Barion Brown and Tayvion
- Florida game 26 pts.....we had a TD from the D and another TD put on the 6 yard line.
- Ole Miss 19 pts...granted we left 5 pts off the board with special teams screw ups. But we had to have Barion Brown KO return one for 85 yards and another for 54 yards to set up short fields to even get to 19 pts.

As the year wears on with SEC teams left....we're basically putting the defense in a position to not let a team score more than 24 pts or we lose that game...and that doesn't take account for the offense putting the defense in bad spots with turnovers. And we're also counting on our special teams to create points or short fields to score as little as we do which is not dependable game in and game out. That is a ton of pressure on the rest of team due to offense being a good bit down from last year.

I'm sort of fine with Scangerello....but he's proven to be not equal to Coen. Levis is at times taking sacks instead of getting the ball out. BUt Yenser....he looks way over his year out there. His unit is killing a really good team in about every other phase.
Just proves how important the o-line is
 
K,
You may be right. But, I just happen to think the OL could improve with more reps. It's been known to happen. I see some good things from the line in almost every game. I don't see CONSISTENT good things in every game and that's a huge problem. Still see too many plays where one or more OL looks lost or just flat out blows an assignment. Some of that may be on the TE/RB/WR also not fulfilling their assignment but I'm not an OL coach. If we're into the 9th game of the season and see the same problems, then, I will agree that this line is way below expectations. But, I haven't completely written them off, yet.

The 19 points is a bit misleading as we left 5 easy points on the field and had a TD called back that a quarter of a second decided. Very easily could have had 31 points Saturday. Scang made some really good calls on Saturday (screen to Brown late, screen to Smoke who dropped a pretty sure TD, the end around to Cummings for big yards, both big passes to CRod, etc.). I don't think it's the playcalling/OC's fault if the offense doesn't eclipse 30 ppg this year. Lot of obstacles to overcome.

I hope to see some improvement this week. USC's defense should not be as good as Ole Miss' (I think they'll end up in the middle of the SEC or perhaps better in total D this year - they've got some players and a solid scheme). If Levis can go, we should be able to rack up 30+ points assuming we don't shoot ourselves in the foot with penalties and TOs. If he can't go, I think 24 is probably the ceiling not counting ST or D scoring.
Leaving the points on the field=not scoring. I'm sorry this has to get better quickly.
SC is a strange situation. They are averaging 44ppg and scored 30 on Ark, but were totally outclassed by Georgia. We'll see how our defense does against them. If we score 30+ we'll be fine.
 
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I think the offense should pick up the pace, currently checking in at over 30 seconds per play which is near the slowest in FBS. More plays and thus more touches for some of the offensive weapons.

No reason to milk the clock when you have the potential #1 pick at QB, Rodriguez, and explosive receivers on the outside.
 
So why doesn’t Levis have the freedom to occasionally run like last year if need be?
I feel like there have been some instances where he more than likely could have picked up the first down instead of getting sacked, or us having to punt.
 
No crap we have the worst Oline in power 5 at least as pass protection
Rogers Brady and Stafford are struggling
Coen is Rams o coordinater and they suck because there Oline sucks
 
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