The Irony of Our New World of Collegiate Sports

[The-Hack]

I love every thread discussing NIL and whether student athletes are employees.

Some of the very folks who condemn NIL the hardest have openly celebrated the transfers of Leary, Jefferson, Davis, etc., while also condemning the huge NIL deals at UT and UF (the one that went South).

There is a double edge to every thread, especially when compared with celebrations or recruiting/transfer success.

Folks, it was reported that Leary was assured of a base income of $40,00.00 a months for 12’ months ($480,000.00) and I suspect other transfers got some assurances.

Every thread says small programs will have to shut down. I understand some concern when the Courts rule that athletes are employees of the schools (which is imminent), but market forces will likely protect lower rung schools.

If UK has to start paying premier athletes premier salaries, that doesn’t mean G5 schools will have to pay as much. And the Centre’s and Transy’s of this world might have to “pay” money, at a tiny fraction of the sports giants.

I suspect that in ten years, the college sports world will look a lot like it always has.

 

[UKCatnNC]

I love every thread discussion NIL and whether student athletes are employees.

Some of the very folks who condemn NIL the hardest have openly celebrated the transfers of Leary, Jefferson, Davis, etc., why also condemning the huge NIL deals at UT and UF (the one that went South).

There is a doubly edge to every thread, especially when compared with celebrations or recruiting/transfer success.

Folks, it was reported that Leary was assured of a base income of $40,00.00 a months for 12’ months ($480,000.00) and I suspect other transfers got some assurances.

Every thread says small programs will have to shut down. I understand some concern when the Courts rule that athletes are employees of the schools (which is imminent), but market forces will likely protect lower rung schools.

If UK has to start paying premier athletes premier salaries, that doesn’t mean G5 schools will have to pay as much. And the Centre’s and Transy’s of this world might have to “pay” money, at a tiny fraction of the sports giants.

I suspect that in ten years, the college sports world will look a lot like it always has.

Well said, and I hope that you are correct about how it will look in 10 years. GO CATS!!

 

[sluggercatfan]

In ten years college sports will be a disaster! As a matter of fact, don't think it will take that long .

 

[K_TIME]

One of the NIL is hurting more than it is helping here.....

1. UK for sure get into the NIL stakes to get Leary.....and while I'll cheer him on....it is silly that NC State loses a QB and that UK has done such a piss poor job at recruiting and developing QBs to benefit. So it is hypocisty to a degree on my part. But I'd imagine Leary would have been eligible under the old grad transfer policy to not sit a year....but I am not for sure.
2. Guys like Levis...I'm a bit different . He transfers as he wasn't good enough according to Penn St to be QB1....so I never felt like nabbing him was bad for football.
3. Wandale was also a bit different. He was being used a scat back in Nebraska...and things were not going as promised. He wanted to be used like a NFL WR and UK afforded him that opportunity.

In the end, it is stupid for teams that have holes due to their own recruting/player development shortfalls to cherry pick off of other teams starting line players is my stance. Even when it benefit UK

 

[Magilla Gorillla]

Just curious but where was it reported that Leary was assured of a $40K a month base income?

 

[The-Hack]

Just curious but where was it reported that Leary was assured of a $40K a month base income?

On a forum for a competitor’s site . . . Florida’s as I recall . . . .

 

[zwynn10]

I love every thread discussing NIL and whether student athletes are employees.

Some of the very folks who condemn NIL the hardest have openly celebrated the transfers of Leary, Jefferson, Davis, etc., while also condemning the huge NIL deals at UT and UF (the one that went South).

There is a double edge to every thread, especially when compared with celebrations or recruiting/transfer success.

Folks, it was reported that Leary was assured of a base income of $40,00.00 a months for 12’ months ($480,000.00) and I suspect other transfers got some assurances.

Every thread says small programs will have to shut down. I understand some concern when the Courts rule that athletes are employees of the schools (which is imminent), but market forces will likely protect lower rung schools.

If UK has to start paying premier athletes premier salaries, that doesn’t mean G5 schools will have to pay as much. And the Centre’s and Transy’s of this world might have to “pay” money, at a tiny fraction of the sports giants.

I suspect that in ten years, the college sports world will look a lot like it always has.

I think the NIL (and employment status) could very well push things more to what MLB looks like. The big market teams (e.g., Yankees and Dodgers) can buy up the best talent and the small market teams (e.g., Reds) pick from the leftovers. I hope you are correct, though.

 

[UKnCincy]

I think the NIL (and employment status) could very well push things more to what MLB looks like. The big market teams (e.g., Yankees and Dodgers) can buy up the best talent and the small market teams (e.g., Reds) pick from the leftovers. I hope you are correct, though.

So basically, things will look pretty much the same way they’ve always looked.

 

[The-Hack]

So basically, things will look pretty much the same way they’ve always looked.

I think so.

You might see a major urban-based program break through, like a Houston or a Rutgers.

But with the TV revenue, combined with the likelihood of colleges having to pay athletes on top of NIL, the Big Ten and SEC look like the Yankees, and PAC-12 and ACC leftovers, like Cincinnati.

 

[Cat06]

In the end, it is stupid for teams that have holes due to their own recruting/player development shortfalls to cherry pick off of other teams starting line players is my stance. Even when it benefit UK

Sorry to point out that UK never has a shot at a 5 star HS QB, and no longer needs to recruit 3 star High School QB's.

The portal is the only place we should be looking for disgruntled 5 star QB's and linemen. There are plenty of top 10 QB's every year that get recruited over at Alabama, Clemson, LSU. They want to leave and we need them.

 

[Sawnee Cat]

Sorry to point out that UK never has a shot at a 5 star HS QB, and no longer needs to recruit 3 star High School QB's.

The portal is the only place we should be looking for disgruntled 5 star QB's and linemen. There are plenty of top 10 QB's every year that get recruited over at Alabama, Clemson, LSU. They want to leave and we need them.

Free agency is your friend.

 

[truebluewildcat]

I don't know that the issue is kids making money. I think the issue is who should be on the hook, to what degree, and the eventual downstream effects on athletic departments and collegiate athletics in general of having to pay big money to athletes.

This idea that athletic departments have endless funds to pay 400+ student athletes is folly. Some do. Most don't.

Media money is getting better each year, but conferences and programs are going to have to start demanding even more TV money to accommodate NIL.

Even as TV money grows, the big issue with NIL is the fact that athletic departments have so many athletes. Pro franchises can afford to pay 53 in nfl, 26 in baseball, 15 in basketball, plus stadium upkeep, admin. staff. That's it.

No professional sports owner/franchise is paying their roster as well as volleyball, golf, softball, track and field, swimming, tennis, lacrosse, soccer, women's basketball rosters, etc...

I think we'll see some merging of major athletic programs into bigger conferences. The 50 programs or so that can make money on rev sports will separate from traditional NCAA/collegiate athletics into more of a pro model.

Then all the non rev programs and even vast majority of football basketball programs that don't make enough money will have to spin off and remain a part of the more traditional NCAA collegiate athletics model, perhaps a tweaked modernized version where athletes make some kind of money but not to the level of major BCS super conference type money.

 

[Cobb4uk]

Just wait until the Title IX people demand comparable to their male counter parts, that's when things will get interesting. Do you remember all the dome and glume when it passed.

 

[CRZ4UK]

Just curious but where was it reported that Leary was assured of a $40K a month base income?

People been putting these figures out there and it has been proven to be false. I saw where someone said levis made a million. False. His NIL valuation was like 300k. Still a lot of money but not near what people are making up.

 

[The Snoke]

I love every thread discussing NIL and whether student athletes are employees.

Some of the very folks who condemn NIL the hardest have openly celebrated the transfers of Leary, Jefferson, Davis, etc., while also condemning the huge NIL deals at UT and UF (the one that went South).

There is a double edge to every thread, especially when compared with celebrations or recruiting/transfer success.

Folks, it was reported that Leary was assured of a base income of $40,00.00 a months for 12’ months ($480,000.00) and I suspect other transfers got some assurances.

Every thread says small programs will have to shut down. I understand some concern when the Courts rule that athletes are employees of the schools (which is imminent), but market forces will likely protect lower rung schools.

If UK has to start paying premier athletes premier salaries, that doesn’t mean G5 schools will have to pay as much. And the Centre’s and Transy’s of this world might have to “pay” money, at a tiny fraction of the sports giants.

I suspect that in ten years, the college sports world will look a lot like it always has.

I hope you’re right Hack… I’m doubting it though. There are too many things going on now that make me feel different. I don’t know how anyone could predict two years little alone ten years from now when it comes to NIL. Pandora’s box was opened a couple years back. It is revealing itself but I think there are a lot more layers left before it is all revealed.

Glad to have Leary… but when does it stop?

 

[truebluewildcat]

Just wait until the Title IX people demand comparable to their male counter parts, that's when things will get interesting. Do you remember all the dome and glume when it passed.

That's when things will diverge.

The BCS mega conference(s) will become some sort of semi-pro/pro entity that only does male sports. Probably football as most basketball programs don't make enough money.

The interesting thing will be to see what happens with basketball. Do the handful of top tier money programs split from traditional collegiate/ncaa/march madness and form some sort of BCS pro like structure of their own.

Right now, all the money that football tv, media, etc brings in has to be shared with everyone. At some point I see the powers to be say "f this" we can't support every sport and athlete. Therefore, they'll have to spin off to separate and cut ties with all the government funded, collegiate athletic, public institution, tax exempt ties that require everyone gets included.

This is all years maybe a decade or more down the road. Right now, Bowl, media, and advertising money can support most athletic departments. However, what will inevitably happen is players, will naturally start to demand more and more money. That's when decisions will be made.

It may actually be great for colleges to shed football expenses...stadium bills, high coaching salaries, player costs, etc...

I think traditional college athletics and athletic departments/programs could do relatively well. It's not like the demand to consume them would go away. There would still be a market for "college" sports, 24/7 sports media coverage, ticket sales, merchandise, and "booster" funding.

Also, given the fact that most football stadiums are on college campuses, I would imagine there would be some sort of literature written upon separation for a fee. Kind of an alimony payment that says "hey look, you're separating from us, but you're going to pay us xyz a month to live, train, and play on our campus...and support all these kids you're leaving us with"

 

[Lost In FL]

I love every thread discussing NIL and whether student athletes are employees.

Some of the very folks who condemn NIL the hardest have openly celebrated the transfers of Leary, Jefferson, Davis, etc., while also condemning the huge NIL deals at UT and UF (the one that went South).

There is a double edge to every thread, especially when compared with celebrations or recruiting/transfer success.

Folks, it was reported that Leary was assured of a base income of $40,00.00 a months for 12’ months ($480,000.00) and I suspect other transfers got some assurances.

Every thread says small programs will have to shut down. I understand some concern when the Courts rule that athletes are employees of the schools (which is imminent), but market forces will likely protect lower rung schools.

If UK has to start paying premier athletes premier salaries, that doesn’t mean G5 schools will have to pay as much. And the Centre’s and Transy’s of this world might have to “pay” money, at a tiny fraction of the sports giants.

I suspect that in ten years, the college sports world will look a lot like it always has.

If the athletes are deemed "employees of the school", are they going to have to pay taxes on the benefits?