The great Mark Fox is about to miss the NCAA Tournament yet again.
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Not us genius. Listen to Cal in private or in public forum. He always says Ga and Foxy are as well coached as anyone. He has tremendous respect, again no dog in this fight but people who coach against him say this.
I go by peers and other coaches to say who is a good coach. I can't say Fox is better than LSU's coach or if LSU 's coach a better recruiter etc. or by having Simmons Godfather.
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I go by peers and other coaches to say who is a good coach. I can't say Fox is better than LSU's coach or if LSU 's coach a better recruiter etc. or by having Simmons Godfather.
IMo
Well he had some really good teams at nevada. But the problem with georgia is well their fans do not care. I was in GA one yr when UK played them. I didn't have tickets...walked to the door and paid 15 bucks for a ticket to basically sit where I wanted. More people were outside watching the football team practice. Pretty much all good instate talent either goes to an elite program or stays in Atlanta and goes to tech. He did well to get Caldwell-Pope.
I think he's a good coach, but he's not going to be in a final four ever, might get 20 wins tho..I think the sweet 16 would be his ceiling.
I think he's a good coach, but he's not going to be in a final four ever, might get 20 wins tho..I think the sweet 16 would be his ceiling.
I watched parts of the game,one of the strangest i have ever seen,officiating was scary bad both ways at times.Both sides spent a good deal of time trying to figure out what was going on.Surprised it didn't turn into a brawl.
Listen to Cal in private? Sure thing genius, I'll roll over to his house and listen to him talk about how great Fox is although he misses the tournament damn near every year. I guess it is hard to win in the SEC though. BTW, who do coaches say is a bad coach?
And honestly, that scares me a little bit.
Fox is part of the generation of ultraconservative coaches who want to turn the game into nothing but grind, grind, grind. His teams may do a lot of things fundamentally correct, but they play at a snail's pace and rarely show any ability to actually do anything offensively (this is the first year he's had a Georgia team average 70 ppg- because scoring is up across the nation- and he's had 2 teams average 61. His last 5 teams have all shot under 45%).
When Cal loses big games, it almost always seems like it's because he gets ultra-conservative (and his teams can't hit shots). He's far more likely to lose big games 60-59 than 90-89. The fact that he heaps praise on such a conservative (and not particularly successful) coach isn't something I really like to hear.
How many points did Tubby’s teams average compared to Mark Fox and Cal's UK teams. I'd be interested to compare them to the "plow horse" offense.
What a dumb thread . No one on here thinks Fox is a great coach . He isn't . But he ain't bad either . He is like Stallings at Vandy - a decent coach who should coach decent programs like UGA and Vandy.
Teams that are undermanned and outgunned will surely slow the pace to a grind. It's been that way forever to give the lesser team a chance.
He very well maybe a good X & O's "coach", but he's a mediocre recruiter, which is equally if not more important.
He's an average coach. He always seems to have reslly goid veteran players but it seems to me that he needs to change his system or at least modify it because the results seem to be the same every year.
Georgia finally wised up and fired their football coach, he was the Mark Fox of college football. Get good talent and underachieve every year.
Georgia finally wised up and fired their football coach, he was the Mark Fox of college football. Get good talent and underachieve every year.
Mark Fox is a turd..He can't get 100 fans to drive to Atlanta when SEC is there..then he bitches about media calling the city CATLANTA..screw him.
IU may be in the market for another mediocre coach. I sure hope not, though....
Bingo. In big games Cal loves to work the shot clock and then look for a bucket inside. Its not necessarily the wrong move; you teach bucket, foul, or both. This ensures that you use some clock, get a decent look, and come away with some points. The problem is, often times the ball arrives too late in the post, or never gets there at all as in close games the defense is amped up and we are turnover prone. I think Cal could have blown both UL and KU out in 2012 had he not pulled up on the raines. Of course we won both games so hard to argue, but the Wisconsin game was a debacle.
I debate about this with other Georgia fans non-stop. When we fired Richt, I was shocked. I didn't think we would actually go through with it. That gives me hope that if things start to sputter big-time with Fox, that McGarity won't hesitate to pull the trigger and go hire a Haas from UAB or Capel or someone like that.
There is no question Fox has struggled in recruiting, but it seems to have picked up some with the last three to four classes (Frazier, Maten, Ogbeide, Edwards, Wilridge, Jackson, Crump, and Harris) with the addition of Jonas Hayes and Yasir Rosemond who are much more connected to the AAU circuit throughout Georgia. All of those guys I mentioned have much more ability than some of the guys we've trotted out there before, but like people have mentioned before, there are times when our offense looks completely stagnant. We always seem to play decent defense on a year to year basis, but you have to score.
I also try to look at history when determining which direction we should go next. Should we expect more just because there is talent in Georgia? Just because we make a change at head coach, we're still Georgia basketball. I struggle with how to look at the big picture. Is Coach Fox our Rich Brooks? Respectable, but never going to make true noise. I don't know.
There is no question Fox has struggled in recruiting, but it seems to have picked up some with the last three to four classes (Frazier, Maten, Ogbeide, Edwards, Wilridge, Jackson, Crump, and Harris) with the addition of Jonas Hayes and Yasir Rosemond who are much more connected to the AAU circuit throughout Georgia. All of those guys I mentioned have much more ability than some of the guys we've trotted out there before, but like people have mentioned before, there are times when our offense looks completely stagnant. We always seem to play decent defense on a year to year basis, but you have to score.
I also try to look at history when determining which direction we should go next. Should we expect more just because there is talent in Georgia? Just because we make a change at head coach, we're still Georgia basketball. I struggle with how to look at the big picture. Is Coach Fox our Rich Brooks? Respectable, but never going to make true noise. I don't know.
There is nothing outstanding about Mr. Fox that is going to cause him to significantly elevate the status of Georgia basketball. He will be there for a while; the fan base will tire of him; a year or two later the administration will tire of him and at some point he will be let go and replaced with someone either like him or only slightly better who will go through the same process and likely be similarly successful.
More evidence that the Power 5 pastures are not always greener than the mid-majors. These mid-majors coaches should dance a little bit with the Power 5 only to negotiate higher pay at mid-majors and then wait for the best opportunities to leave. Shaka looks to be pulling it off at Texas waiting for a solid job before leaving. The Georgia's and Auburn's of the basketball world just seem like dead zones.
With Rich Brooks we were able to win bowl games, go to them consistently, and even upset #1 LSU. I think something comparable to Georgia Bball would be to win some big games and get some good upsets every now and then, and regularly make or be in contention for the NCAA tourney. A sweet sixteen run once every 5 years or so also seems reasonable. I don't think that's asking too much for talent rich Georgia personally. At least with UK football we have the excuse of a lack of in-state talent.
The sad part is, I can tell you right now we will never make a Sweet 16 under Fox. May be able to get to the round of 32 on a good year, but I don't think he has it in him to go beyond that.
Tubby's UK teams:
80.1, 75.4, 69.1, 79.8, 76.9, 77.3, 73.9, 73.6, 70.8, 73.4 (Jon Scott numbers)
More fair comparison to Fox at Georgia would be Tubby's Minnesota teams. Those were:
68, 66, 73, 69, 68, 69. (ESPN, no decimals)
Fox at Georgia is:
69, 69, 61, 61, 69, 68, 71
Cal at UK:
79.3, 74.9, 77.4, 72.6, 74.8. 74.4, 77.4 (current).
My honest assessment:
We're talking about 3 halfcourt-oriented coaches here (yes, including Cal), none of whom really push the tempo. Cal at UK is, and Tubby at UK was, willing to play at a faster pace, but often let the opponent dictate that.
People noticed it more with Tubby for a few reasons. He came directly on the heels of Pitino, so the change was dramatic. He lost more games. And he was involved in a lot of really low-scoring losses that stood out for their mulish pace (or just because of UK's inability to score).
In Cal's UK career, he's had 19 games where UK failed to score 60. He's 9-10 in those games, and 7 of those (all losses) came in 12-13. Meaning 9-3 in the other 5 years, including 4 wins last year.
Tubby at UK had 25 games where UK scored less than 60. Given the longer tenure, not all that different. But he was 7-18 in those games.
He's a good coach but can't recruit. Mann, Gaines, Frazier and maten aren't enough for any coach to succeed really. They have no bench whatsoever.
I like Fox - he seems to be a really good guy. Have never known him to be disrespectful to anyone - always has good things to say about opposing teams. Do I think he's a good coach? Well - he does what he can at UGA.
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