The defensive holding call on the final Chiefs drive?

[gamecockcat]

Think the ref should've swallowed his whistle on that one. While it did look like the DB used his hands excessively, it was a critical call that wasn't obvious and the pass was way, way over the WR's head (is there no such rule as 'uncatchable' anymore?). Even assuming the holding cost the WR 2 strides (being generous), I don't think there's any way he catches that pass. The Chiefs were still w/in chipshot FG range and the Eagles might have had 1 minute to go and one TO but the odds were extremely long the Chiefs weren't going to win that game. The call pretty much sealed the deal without giving Philly even a chance to tie.

If this was an NBA game, no call and Philly would've been given the ball at midcourt with a minute to go. Just one of many things I dislike about the NBA.

 

[mrschwump]

Think the ref should've swallowed his whistle on that one. While it did look like the DB used his hands excessively, it was a critical call that wasn't obvious and the pass was way, way over the WR's head (is there no such rule as 'uncatchable' anymore?). Even assuming the holding cost the WR 2 strides (being generous), I don't think there's any way he catches that pass. The Chiefs were still w/in chipshot FG range and the Eagles might have had 1 minute to go and one TO but the odds were extremely long the Chiefs weren't going to win that game. The call pretty much sealed the deal without giving Philly even a chance to tie.

If this was an NBA game, no call and Philly would've been given the ball at midcourt with a minute to go. Just one of many things I dislike about the NBA.

Stripes still having a hard time letting players dictate the outcome of games, just can't drop their "look at me" persona.

 

[Verbal Kint II]

He literally grabbed his jersey. Catchable ball is irrelevant to defensive holding. He held the receiver and they called the penalty as they should have.

Look at me persona for doing his job and making the right call. SMH.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I agree with kind on this, if it's holding the first minute it's holding the last minute. Wasn't called pass interference, so being catchall is out the window. You might have an argument if the correct penalty

 

[Verbal Kint II]

James Bradberry owns up to controversial call: "It was a holding" #shorts

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[childe]

I can understand the penalty call although, it didn’t appear to be much of a hold.

What I can’t stand is that during playoffs and Super Bowl, the NFL didn’t seem to know what a catch is or isn’t and reviewed too many passing plays.

 

[saxonburgcat]

He literally grabbed his jersey. Catchable ball is irrelevant to defensive holding. He held the receiver and they called the penalty as they should have.

Look at me persona for doing his job and making the right call. SMH.

Bad take. The refs could call holding on every play if they wanted to. That play had no bearing on the play, was minor compared to stuff I see being let slide in every game I watch and it ruined a great game for the fans. We wanted to see Philly at least get the ball with a chance. And, this is coming from someone who really hates Philly!

 

[gamecockcat]

He literally grabbed his jersey. Catchable ball is irrelevant to defensive holding. He held the receiver and they called the penalty as they should have.

Look at me persona for doing his job and making the right call. SMH.

Don't think this grab was any more egregious than probably 50% of all passing plays. I agree that you have to make the call if it's definitely a play-changer. Not sure this one would qualify. As to holding being irrelevant to uncatchable - is that true? If Mahomes had chucked the ball 8 rows deep into the stands where literally no one could have caught the ball, could defensive holding still be called (I honestly don't know)? If so, that rule needs to be changed. If a WR is breaking a route off short and gets held but the ball is thrown 20 yards beyond him, that's an infraction that gave the DB an advantage? Seems like a bad interpretation to me but it may very well be the rule.

 

[secrules3]

Would the throw have been out of bounds if the receiver wasn't held TWICE and running free as he burnt the DB?

 

[UKWildcats1987]

Would the throw have been out of bounds if the receiver wasn't held TWICE and running free as he burnt the DB?

I think Mahomes knew he had a hold.

The defender himself admits it was the right call.

 

[Verbal Kint II]

Y’all watch different football than I watch if y’all think DBs grab jerseys WRs making their move on 50% of plays. That simply doesn’t happen.

 

[Blueaz]

Y’all watch different football than I watch if y’all think DBs grab jerseys WRs making their move on 50% of plays. That simply doesn’t happen.

You really like to throw around "Y'all" a lot... and "you guys" and tell everyone the truth... and yet, you a fan of another school; is at a UK message board.

 

[crashtestdummy]

It was obvious the jersey was grabbed and held. If it wasn't called people would be crying because it wasn't.

 

[Bowiewasmyhero]

Don't think this grab was any more egregious than probably 50% of all passing plays. I agree that you have to make the call if it's definitely a play-changer. Not sure this one would qualify. As to holding being irrelevant to uncatchable - is that true? If Mahomes had chucked the ball 8 rows deep into the stands where literally no one could have caught the ball, could defensive holding still be called (I honestly don't know)? If so, that rule needs to be changed. If a WR is breaking a route off short and gets held but the ball is thrown 20 yards beyond him, that's an infraction that gave the DB an advantage? Seems like a bad interpretation to me but it may very well be the rule.

Defensive holding occurs before the pass is thrown, pass interference occurs while the ball is in the air. Two different penalties. Whether the pass is catchable is only relevant to pass interference, because when defensive holding takes place there hasn't been a pass yet. As far as holding occurring on every play, maybe, but keep in mind that there are 22 players and 7 officials, so not everything that is caught on camera is seen by an official. A hold on a one on one receiver is much more likely to be seen and called that one at the line.

 

[assistbyhawkins]

Y’all watch different football than I watch if y’all think DBs grab jerseys WRs making their move on 50% of plays. That simply doesn’t happen.

LOL yeah, you dont watch a lot of NFL. That flag on the last play could be called on nearly every single pass play. It needs to be consistently called so it will stop, or not called. Problem is, if they called it every time there would be 30 flags thrown per game.

 

[bbncal02]

I don’t think anyone is questioning if it was the right call. It’s why we that call made at that time. I mean there are former players coming out and saying it was a weak call.

The problem is consistency. Yes. It’s a foul. The problem is it doesn’t always get called.

 

[saxonburgcat]

I don’t think anyone is questioning if it was the right call. It’s why we that call made at that time. I mean there are former players coming out and saying it was a weak call.

The problem is consistency. Yes. It’s a foul. The problem is it doesn’t always get called.

Social media is screaming NOT to call it. I agree. That call created an anti-climatic ending to a great game. Nobody wants that to be called any more than they want a touch foul called in the back court.

Okay, I have a question: How many officials threw their flags on this play? I only saw one from the official standing at the goal line. He was out of position to make the call.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

I don’t think anyone is questioning if it was the right call. It’s why we that call made at that time. I mean there are former players coming out and saying it was a weak call.

The problem is consistency. Yes. It’s a foul. The problem is it doesn’t always get called.

If they don't call it and the eagles go down and score a TD is there the same faux outrage from Many on this board today?

I have my doubts and the officials would have made the wrong call and determined the outcome in my scenario as well.

 

[JDHoss]

It was holding. You can debate the timing of the call or whatever, but it was holding. Bradberry even agreed that it was a hold. He just hoped they wouldn't call it. The call didn't beat the Eagles. What beat the Eagles was an unforced fumble that resulted in a scoop and score, a low line drive punt that resulted in a long punt return, and a defense that gave up points on every 2nd half Chiefs possession.

 

[docholiday51]

If it is a penalty in the first minute of the game it is a penalty in the final minute of the game. Remember P/I non call a few years ago that robbed New Orleans? Which way do you want it?

 

[bbncal02]

If it is a penalty in the first minute of the game it is a penalty in the final minute of the game. Remember P/I non call a few years ago that robbed New Orleans? Which way do you want it?

Called consistently would be great. But we all know that’s not going to happen.

 

[Verbal Kint II]

You really like to throw around "Y'all" a lot... and "you guys" and tell everyone the truth... and yet, you a fan of another school; is at a UK message board.

LOL at this clown still in his feelings because I like rivalry games. Dude admitted that he grabbed the jersey but this clueless clown still doesn’t get it.

Stay mad and wrong.

 

[Deeeefense]

Folks will argue about this call til the end of time but the way I see it is defensive holding and DPI calls are very subjective and different officials will call them different ways some more strict than others. But I think football should take a lesson from basketball and adopt a no-harm no-foul philosophy. While it's true the the receiver's jersey was grabbed it appears that his progress was not impeded and the ball was uncatchable. I realize over thrown balls aren't considered in defensive holding calls but the point is, what happened didn't effect the play and if I were an official I would have liked to have left that play stand for that reason.

The call didn't necessary hand the game to the Chiefs but it prevented what would have likely been an extremely exiting ending to what was otherwise a great Super Bowl.

 

[Verbal Kint II]

Juju ran the same whip route that led to two wide open TDs on the goaline. Bradbury recognized it and it was his mindset to grab the jersey and hold to prevent it from happening a third time. He was isolated on the left side of the field one on one so it was easy for the refs to see, obvious holding call.

 

[NavyCat88]

NFL has some heavy chucking at the line and press coverage involving hands on the receiver/DB nearly every play. Technically, it was a penalty on the Eagles, but my feeling is always that if "the flag is questionable" or tacky-tac.....it shouldn't be called in the final 2 minutes. More obvious calls, shove to the ground on a WR, a hit before the ball gets there, pulling the jersey to impede the route (instead of a slight tug) should be called.

It is in the same classification as the D-call the bengals had last year....3rd down....final minutes....gave the Rams a fresh set of downs. Marred the end of the game.





GBB!

 

[Bowiewasmyhero]

Social media is screaming NOT to call it. I agree. That call created an anti-climatic ending to a great game. Nobody wants that to be called any more than they want a touch foul called in the back court.

Okay, I have a question: How many officials threw their flags on this play? I only saw one from the official standing at the goal line. He was out of position to make the call.

remember that there are only 7 officials to referee 22 players. The guy that threw the flag is the one assigned to call plays in the secondary on that side of the play.

 

[Bowiewasmyhero]

NFL has some heavy chucking at the line and press coverage involving hands on the receiver/DB nearly every play. Technically, it was a penalty on the Eagles, but my feeling is always that if "the flag is questionable" or tacky-tac.....it shouldn't be called in the final 2 minutes. More obvious calls, shove to the ground on a WR, a hit before the ball gets there, pulling the jersey to impede the route (instead of a slight tug) should be called.

It is in the same classification as the D-call the bengals had last year....3rd down....final minutes....gave the Rams a fresh set of downs. Marred the end of the game.

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GBB!

I think I agree with everything you say other than the part highlighted. The amount of time on the clock should not affect how the referees make calls. I do wish there would be a standard that if a penalty doesn't affect the play that it should be ignored, unless it is a personal foul type penalty.

 

[Verbal Kint II]

Holding a WR in the middle of a whip route absolutely affects the play. There was a reason he held him, they were about to get beat for a TD on the same route for the 3rd time. He got beat and held to recover.

 

[sluggercatfan]

He literally grabbed his jersey. Catchable ball is irrelevant to defensive holding. He held the receiver and they called the penalty as they should have.

Look at me persona for doing his job and making the right call. SMH.

Didn't watch game , but have seen replay several times...don't think he grabbed the jersey.

 

[saxonburgcat]

Didn't watch game , but have seen replay several times...don't think he grabbed the jersey.

Many of the replays don't show the first grab, which is clear that he got jersey. Then, he puts his left hand on the player's back and that is what is shown on the replays. It appears the official called the second contact and not the first but I am not sure about that. At any rate, I am strongly opinionated that this should have been a play on situation.

 

[The Public Enemy]

James Bradbevery the Eagles Cornerback owned up to the Hold and said he did it and hope he didn’t get caught.

And yes it did change the outcome of the play. In case you didn’t know those jerseys are literally like a second skin on NFL players because they are so tight on their bodies. For it to be seen being pulled away from the body like that takes a lot of force and if he didn’t grab JuJu that was a TD … it made JuJu who runs a 4.5 into a player on that play run a 4.8

 

[sluggercatfan]

Many of the replays don't show the first grab, which is clear that he got jersey. Then, he puts his left hand on the player's back and that is what is shown on the replays. It appears the official called the second contact and not the first but I am not sure about that. At any rate, I am strongly opinionated that this should have been a play on situation.

Like I said I only saw replays and it was one where he only had his hand on his back. Guess if the db admitted holding he did.

 

[secrules3]

Didn't watch game , but have seen replay several times...don't think he grabbed the jersey.

Are you high??? He grabbed his jersey and then his lower back with his left hand and most likely, his right arm was around the WR's right arm but no camera really shows the right arms. Right call and would have been a TD if he didn't grab him TWICE.

 

[Verbal Kint II]

Didn't watch game , but have seen replay several times...don't think he grabbed the jersey.

 

[secrules3]

Folks will argue about this call til the end of time but the way I see it is defensive holding and DPI calls are very subjective and different officials will call them different ways some more strict than others. But I think football should take a lesson from basketball and adopt a no-harm no-foul philosophy. While it's true the the receiver's jersey was grabbed it appears that his progress was not impeded and the ball was uncatchable. I realize over thrown balls aren't considered in defensive holding calls but the point is, what happened didn't effect the play and if I were an official I would have liked to have left that play stand for that reason.

The call didn't necessary hand the game to the Chiefs but it prevented what would have likely been an extremely exiting ending to what was otherwise a great Super Bowl.

It was an easy TD as the WR would have been wide open had he not been held TWICE. Mahomes hits that pass 98/100 times without the holds.

 

[Deeeefense]

Are you high??? He grabbed his jersey and then his lower back with his left hand and most likely, his right arm was around the WR's right arm but no camera really shows the right arms. Right call and would have been a TD if he didn't grab him TWICE.

Not saying you're wrong, I respect all views on this but if you watch the initial contact the tug on the jersey was slight and the receiver's progress doesn't seem to be effected, but moreover the ball was thrown to the corner and the receiver was 10 yards away from where he needed to be to catch it so I would argue that minus the contact the play would have still resulted in an incomplete pass:

 

[secrules3]

Not saying you're wrong, I respect all views on this but if you watch the initial contact the tug on the jersey was slight and the receiver's progress doesn't seem to be effected, but moreover the ball was thrown to the corner and the receiver was 10 yards away from where he needed to be to catch it so I would argue that minus the contact the play would have still resulted in an incomplete pass:

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It was overthrown ONLY because of the holding that 100% affected the WR's progress. Like another poster stated, the amount of force needed to pull a jersey that is so tight is 100% enough to completely change the WR's progress on the route. That's not even accounting for the second hold that possibly included his right arm being held also.

 

[Verbal Kint II]

I know video evidence and the player admitting that he held isn’t enough but here is more video evidence.

 

[fabcat]

It was holding. You can debate the timing of the call or whatever, but it was holding. Bradberry even agreed that it was a hold. He just hoped they wouldn't call it. The call didn't beat the Eagles. What beat the Eagles was an unforced fumble that resulted in a scoop and score, a low line drive punt that resulted in a long punt return, and a defense that gave up points on every 2nd half Chiefs possession.

Yep. No one is talking about that just the hold which was a hold. Always has to be the officiating that caused a team to lose. Can’t be the fact the Chiefs dominated the second half in all 3 phases of the game. Eagles had plenty of chances to win the game but didn’t make the plays

 

[saxonburgcat]

I know video evidence and the player admitting that he held isn’t enough but here is more video evidence.

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Yeah, and if you look carefully at that video, you also see a no call mentioned in other articles about KC committing a penalty when a lineman had his hands the face mask of an Eagles player. If called properly, the penalties would have offset.