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Still wondering how we make room for next years guys.

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Who is going to draft Skal or Lee or Briscoe? It would have to be a GM who isn't afraid to lose his job. They all need another year and Ulis does as well, imo. I love all the guys on the team so I'm not going to badmouth them the way some of you guys are (it's shameful), but the simple truth is they are not ready for the NBA.
 
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I guess some folks will get a little taste of the real world next year. It appears some players may have to think about making other plans,or improving next year.
 
I don't believe Lee will play in the NBA. He's around 6'9-6'10 has zero offensive game and is not a physical player either. Nothing wrong with playing 4 years of college basketball and getting a job.
 
I think we will have a couple of returnees that will go back to being a backup. Murray will be drafted high and I think Ulis and Skal will be drafted as well. I wouldn't draft Skal but someone will on potential and them being able to mold him ala drafting an unproven foreign player that happens a lot.
 
I think we will have a couple of returnees that will go back to being a backup. Murray will be drafted high and I think Ulis and Skal will be drafted as well. I wouldn't draft Skal but someone will on potential and them being able to mold him ala drafting an unproven foreign player that happens a lot.
The problem with that theory, to me, is concrete proof of ability against known talent. Lots of the foreign guys have never played at a UK type level. They look great where they are and the GM's gamble on them. Skal is totally different. They see what he is doing here against known talent. I'm pretty sure they see it will take years for Skal to play at the NBA level. The NBA isn't that patient.
 
It's simple Cal is going to keep who can help and cut who can't. These are 1 year deals ... Dead weight will be suggested to go elsewhere
 
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The problem with that theory, to me, is concrete proof of ability against known talent. Lots of the foreign guys have never played at a UK type level. They look great where they are and the GM's gamble on them. Skal is totally different. They see what he is doing here against known talent. I'm pretty sure they see it will take years for Skal to play at the NBA level. The NBA isn't that patient.

You really don't think NBA teams don't scout foreign players much? Really? Just throw millions at them with the hopes they live up to what they "heard" about them in Europe or wherever?
 
It's simple Cal is going to keep who can help and cut who can't. These are 1 year deals ... Dead weight will be suggested to go elsewhere
Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of and that is NOT the UK way. The 1 year at a time scholarship rule sorta disgusts me. Kids were invited to play at a particular school and in the process have turned down other programs they could have gone to. You recruited them, deal with it, they have a four year ride.
 
You really don't think NBA teams don't scout foreign players much? Really? Just throw millions at them with the hopes they live up to what they "heard" about them in Europe or wherever?
Sure they do, but they are scouting them playing against other foreign players. Lots of foreign guys have been huge busts.
 
Only have 13 scholarships. It has to work out. I'll let Cal and the staff worry about it. In the end only 13 will be on scholarship next season. That is a guarantee.
 
Hawkins
Willis
Mulder
Humphries
Wynyard
Matthews
Fox
Monk
Gabriel
Bam
SKJ

That's for sure 11. The other 2 will come out of this group:

Murray - gone
Ulis - gone (may not get drafted but will make a roster; staying won't help him)
Poythress - gone (he's graduated, might make a roster, overseas)
Lee - Probably gone (won't improve draft stock coming off the bench, overseas)
Skal - depends how he finishes the season, needs to return
Briscoe - may feel pressure to leave seeing what's coming in, needs to return
Bolden - depends on if there's a spot. I don't think Skal returning would keep him away but Briscoe would have to be gone or somebody expected to return transfers (which could be any of them).
Floreal - will go back to walk-on
 
This ain't the local youth league. Either get better or sit and watch. I'm tired of watching Lee and Poythress do nothing. I don't know how they get any minutes honestly. I really don't care how nice of kids they or anything like that. Got nothing to do with it. Antoine Walker acted foolish but he performed during the game.
Lee and Poythress don't have it. Time to move on.
 
I don't believe Lee will play in the NBA. He's around 6'9-6'10 has zero offensive game and is not a physical player either. Nothing wrong with playing 4 years of college basketball and getting a job.

Agreed. Barring a Lance Thomas-esque transformation, hard to imagine him ever playing meaningful NBA minutes.
 
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I think Skal enters the draft or transfers. As far as I can tell, Kentucky isn't the school for him. A mid-major might suit him better.
 
This draft is terrible...you have 5 or 6 studs then there is a drastic drop off
 
Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of and that is NOT the UK way. The 1 year at a time scholarship rule sorta disgusts me. Kids were invited to play at a particular school and in the process have turned down other programs they could have gone to. You recruited them, deal with it, they have a four year ride.
I look at it differently than this. A scholarship is a contract. Both parties have to adhere to the obligations within.

If a braniac was recruited to a school on an academic scholarship, but failed to meet their obligations in the classroom, then that school isn't forced to renew their scholarship, and has every right to pull it.

Why should it be any different for sports? If an athlete isn't holding up his/her end of the bargain, then the school shouldn't be forced to keep them around.

It's a privilege to attend college on a scholarship, not a right. The student and/or athlete are just as responsible for meeting their obligations as the university is. That's the whole reason the one year scholarship exist.
 
Our back court basically lost to suburbs backcourt yet they are NBA player Ulis and Murray. I don't think Ulis goes I think he stays, mulder I see as a transfer. Hawkins could go walk on as well. Who knows with Matthews is he another Stacy Poole? We need to retain players to have some experience on the team
 
I think we will have a couple of returnees that will go back to being a backup. Murray will be drafted high and I think Ulis and Skal will be drafted as well. I wouldn't draft Skal but someone will on potential and them being able to mold him ala drafting an unproven foreign player that happens a lot.



Great point. A lot of the NBA teams are drafting these foreign players knowing that it will be 2-4 years before they see a return on that investment.
 
Who is going to draft Skal or Lee or Briscoe? It would have to be a GM who isn't afraid to lose his job. They all need another year and Ulis does as well, imo. I love all the guys on the team so I'm not going to badmouth them the way some of you guys are (it's shameful), but the simple truth is they are not ready for the NBA.


If Briscoe had ANY kind on inside scoring presence to help him, he would thrive. It makes it extremely difficult for our perimeter guys to make it to the rim when there is NO threat of any inside presence. Makes it damn near impossible and Briscoe has done well up to this point considering that and his skill set.
 
I look at it differently than this. A scholarship is a contract. Both parties have to adhere to the obligations within.

If a braniac was recruited to a school on an academic scholarship, but failed to meet their obligations in the classroom, then that school isn't forced to renew their scholarship, and has every right to pull it.

Why should it be any different for sports? If an athlete isn't holding up his/her end of the bargain, then the school shouldn't be forced to keep them around.

It's a privilege to attend college on a scholarship, not a right. The student and/or athlete are just as responsible for meeting their obligations as the university is. That's the whole reason the one year scholarship exist.

I understand that is a standard view of players from a professional sports franchise but how has Skal, Briscoe, Matthews or any UK player not 'held [sic] up his end of the bargain'? It appears that they are going to classes, practicing hard and doing the thing that the Coaches ask them. They only thing that they are guilty of is not being better than the recruiting class of 2016. That seems like a very shallow reason to ask them to leave the school that they made a exclusive commitment to. I understand that scholarships are 1-year commitments; but isn't there a bigger commitment made in the living room or around the kitchen tables when these players are being recruited by the coaches telling the parents that they will educate and take care of these young men?

The one-year scholarship was not created to provide a on-court performance standard and team-option tool.
 
As disappointing as this season is, I still think most, if not all of them will go. They're showing this year what they are, it's a crappy draft, and another year won't help their stock any so I think Cal encourages them to go.
 
I look at it differently than this. A scholarship is a contract. Both parties have to adhere to the obligations within.

If a braniac was recruited to a school on an academic scholarship, but failed to meet their obligations in the classroom, then that school isn't forced to renew their scholarship, and has every right to pull it.

Why should it be any different for sports? If an athlete isn't holding up his/her end of the bargain, then the school shouldn't be forced to keep them around.

It's a privilege to attend college on a scholarship, not a right. The student and/or athlete are just as responsible for meeting their obligations as the university is. That's the whole reason the one year scholarship exist.
I read what you're saying a little differently than you mean it. If a kid on scholarship refuses to follow rules, go to class, study, show up for practice.....refuses to uphold his end, then dismiss him. If a kid was misjudged talent wise, but is putting in the effort, that is totally different. I don't think your analogy swayed me much.
 
Murray is the only one that will be drafted and at this point that could actually play is NBA ready. Ulis imo is in a position to be one of the folk hero's of UK basketball much in way a Macy is regarded. He though needs to stay to make that happen. Does he or can he play in the NBA? I'm not sure. He is 5-8 or 5-9. A much better than average jumper (not Muggsy Bogues jumper) and a pretty good shooter. I think he comes back. Other than that I think it really is an open question regarding the rest. If I have Skal's best interest at heart Im telling him you need probably at a minimum 3 years in college. Next year is to develop your body. Gain weight gain strength and actually learn the fundamentals of basketball. A 3rd year to be a polished and showcase your game. The rest will be someplace, heck maybe even KY.
 
Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of and that is NOT the UK way. The 1 year at a time scholarship rule sorta disgusts me. Kids were invited to play at a particular school and in the process have turned down other programs they could have gone to. You recruited them, deal with it, they have a four year ride.

That's fine and all, but how many UK players have transferred under Calipari? Wiltjer, Dodson, Poole, and Harrow? I may be forgetting someone else. Poole, Harrow, and Wiltjer left on their own accord, and Dodson was kicked off the team. I don't somehow see that changing this year, but Calipari will be honest with these kids just like he's always been. They can leave or sit on the bench, it's really simple. Nothing "disgusting" about it.
 
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That's fine and all, but how many UK players have transferred under Calipari? Wiltjer, Dodson, Poole, and Harrow? I may be forgetting someone else. Poole, Harrow, and Wiltjer left on their own accord, and Dodson was kicked off the team. I don't somehow see that changing this year, but Calipari will be honest with these kids just like he's always been. They can leave or sit on the bench, it's really simple. Nothing "disgusting" about it.
That has nothing to do with what "disgusts" me. Pulling scholarships from players to make room for "better" players disgusts me. We are not UL or IU. You got lost somewhere in there.
 
Cal hates losing...he will run off who he needs to....this is big business. Don't worry about numbers.
 
I read what you're saying a little differently than you mean it. If a kid on scholarship refuses to follow rules, go to class, study, show up for practice.....refuses to uphold his end, then dismiss him. If a kid was misjudged talent wise, but is putting in the effort, that is totally different. I don't think your analogy swayed me much.
These kids are recruited to UK to play basketball. If it wasn't for basketball, then UK would have never offered them a full athletic scholarship; therefore, they need to excel on the court as well as off.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Cal will pull their scholarship and kick them off the team, but he will sit them down and let them know that UK may not be the place for them, and l it's probably in their best interest to transfer if they want more playing time.
 
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I have no issue with that discussion. But I don't believe scholarships come with production quotas. What's worse is I think the NCAA still makes kids who have had their scholarships revoked sit out a year like they voluntarily transferred.
 
I guess some folks will get a little taste of the real world next year. It appears some players may have to think about making other plans,or improving next year.
What do you do when you may have 17 players for 13 schollys?...what kind of hit does JC'S image take when he has to cut players loose...I think he has finally put himself between a rock and a hard place with this
 
What do you do when you may have 17 players for 13 schollys?...what kind of hit does JC'S image take when he has to cut players loose...I think he has finally put himself between a rock and a hard place with this
Not really. Haven't seen any other coach's image take a hit over players transferring, so why would Cao be any different?

Kids transfer all the time from schools all across the country. Don't be so naive to believe the reason given for transferring is always true. A lot of the times it's the coach suggesting the transfer.
 
What do you do when you may have 17 players for 13 schollys?...what kind of hit does JC'S image take when he has to cut players loose...I think he has finally put himself between a rock and a hard place with this
If that happens, it clearly takes a hit. Players first, how do I help you, a teacher of men, selflessness, helping kids reach their dreams......those are constantly stated by Cal and it's hard to support that if you simply pull a scholarship from a kid because you need room for a kid you think is better. It would go against everything Cal says he stands for. He did it when he came in, but with BCG recruits who simply didn't fit.
 
Murray is the only one that will be drafted and at this point that could actually play is NBA ready. Ulis imo is in a position to be one of the folk hero's of UK basketball much in way a Macy is regarded. He though needs to stay to make that happen. Does he or can he play in the NBA? I'm not sure. He is 5-8 or 5-9. A much better than average jumper (not Muggsy Bogues jumper) and a pretty good shooter. I think he comes back. Other than that I think it really is an open question regarding the rest. If I have Skal's best interest at heart Im telling him you need probably at a minimum 3 years in college. Next year is to develop your body. Gain weight gain strength and actually learn the fundamentals of basketball. A 3rd year to be a polished and showcase your game. The rest will be someplace, heck maybe even KY.
If your going to keep him for three. Redshirt? Does that count agianst the limit?
 
If Briscoe had ANY kind on inside scoring presence to help him, he would thrive. It makes it extremely difficult for our perimeter guys to make it to the rim when there is NO threat of any inside presence. Makes it damn near impossible and Briscoe has done well up to this point considering that and his skill set.


For the Briscoe haters. Do any of you remember these two names, John Wall, and Rajon Rondo. Neither of those two guys could shoot from the outside and foul shooting was bad as well. Where are they now? Wall was 6'4', Rondo,6'1, both played hard, rebounded and played good defense. The pros can fix Brisoe's shooting woes. As of now, Briscoe and Murray will be first two chosen.
 
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If that happens, it clearly takes a hit. Players first, how do I help you, a teacher of men, selflessness, helping kids reach their dreams......those are constantly stated by Cal and it's hard to support that if you simply pull a scholarship from a kid because you need room for a kid you think is better. It would go against everything Cal says he stands for. He did it when he came in, but with BCG recruits who simply didn't fit.
Pretty sure Cal isn't going to pull anyone's scholarship, so not really sure why you keep throwing that scenario out there.
 
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I understand that is a standard view of players from a professional sports franchise but how has Skal, Briscoe, Matthews or any UK player not 'held [sic] up his end of the bargain'? It appears that they are going to classes, practicing hard and doing the thing that the Coaches ask them. They only thing that they are guilty of is not being better than the recruiting class of 2016. That seems like a very shallow reason to ask them to leave the school that they made a exclusive commitment to. I understand that scholarships are 1-year commitments; but isn't there a bigger commitment made in the living room or around the kitchen tables when these players are being recruited by the coaches telling the parents that they will educate and take care of these young men?

The one-year scholarship was not created to provide a on-court performance standard and team-option tool.
So do you honestly believe that every single one of these players left KU on their own accord, and that Self didn't encourage any of them to leave because they weren't KU material?
 
Pretty sure Cal isn't going to pull anyone's scholarship, so not really sure why you keep throwing that scenario out there.
I'm just discussing a very possible problem. Discussion, it's what the boards are for. You don't believe there will be any issues, got it. I think it will work itself out without scholarships being pulled as well, but there is a distinct possibility that something drastic would have to occur. By the way, I didn't start the "pull scholarships" part of the discussion. Rolaid did. Cal still says he is adding a big man next year, we will have to have 6 scholarships open up. I'm sure the six are Poy, Floreal, Skal, Briscoe, Lee and Ulis. There, no issues. But what if the NBA effectively tells 1 or 2 of the guys "you won't be drafted and won't make a roster". That is possible. This discussion is about that possibility.
 
I'm just discussing a very possible problem. Discussion, it's what the boards are for. You don't believe there will be any issues, got it. I think it will work itself out without scholarships being pulled as well, but there is a distinct possibility that something drastic would have to occur. By the way, I didn't start the "pull scholarships" part of the discussion. Rolaid did. Cal still says he is adding a big man next year, we will have to have 6 scholarships open up. I'm sure the six are Poy, Floreal, Skal, Briscoe, Lee and Ulis. There, no issues. But what if the NBA effectively tells 1 or 2 of the guys "you won't be drafted and won't make a roster". That is possible. This discussion is about that possibility.


These things just have a way of working themselves out. I don't think Cal is going to just pull someone's scholarship and put them on the streets. It will work itself out. Do you think Cal would still be looking to add another player at this point if he wasn't sure what he was doing? The guy knows exactly what he is doing and you should just trust him. We are 8 or 9 months away from this situation, just trust that he will work it out. He knows what he is doing.
 
So do you honestly believe that every single one of these players left KU on their own accord, and that Self didn't encourage any of them to leave because they weren't KU material?

Exactly. Self has had a helluva lot more kids transfer. Seems he is good for at least 1 per yr
 
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