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Steph Curry makes fun of Lebron; Kyrie laughs.

Why, if I'm Kyrie am I helping LeBron get back to the finals knowing he is leaving me next year. I maybe in the minority but I love this trade move by Kyrie. I have zero problems with LeBron but you are about to leave me in a year, why the touch do I show you loyalty. And by the way I don't buy this Kyrie wants to be the man angle. If LeBron would show Kyrie some loyalty he would show him some. But since you are getting out ill get out now to secure my future. JMO.
 
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Kyrie is stupid....he's not a player you build a team around. He needed LeBron & LeBron needed him. Unfortunate he feels like he needs to be the focal point now. Top 3 PG in my opinion
 
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dvillecatfan said:
2013-14 Cavaliers 33-49 .402 10th, East Conference
2012-13 Cavaliers 24-58 .293 13th, East Conference
2011-12 * Cavaliers 21-45 .318 13th, East Conference
Kyrie Irving cavs record WITHOUT LBJ

2016-17 Cavaliers 51-31 .622 2nd, East Conference
2015-16 Cavaliers 57-25 .695 1st, East Conference
2014-15 Cavaliers 53-29 .646 2nd, East Conference
Kyrie Irving cavs record WITH LBJ...add in 3 finals appearances with 1 title
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Imagine a team getting better when you add James, Love, Smith, and Mosgov.
 
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dvillecatfan said:
2013-14 Cavaliers 33-49 .402 10th, East Conference
2012-13 Cavaliers 24-58 .293 13th, East Conference
2011-12 * Cavaliers 21-45 .318 13th, East Conference
Kyrie Irving cavs record WITHOUT LBJ

2016-17 Cavaliers 51-31 .622 2nd, East Conference
2015-16 Cavaliers 57-25 .695 1st, East Conference
2014-15 Cavaliers 53-29 .646 2nd, East Conference
Kyrie Irving cavs record WITH LBJ...add in 3 finals appearances with 1 title
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You make it sound like they added just Lebron. The whole team got revamped and the team is willing to go way over cap.

drcats2013 said:
If he is indeed a top three PG, and I don't think he is, he would be someone you could build around.
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He's not top 3. That's absurd.(I know you aren't saying it)
 
Westbrook, Curry, Paul, and Wall are clearly superior (I don't consider Harden a PG). Irving is in the second tier of PG's: Irving, Lilliard, Walker, Lowry, Thomas, etc.

Honestly I think Lilliard is exactly what Irving would look like on another team. Both are great offensively and terrible on the defensive side.

Here's a recent PG ranking. Kyrie is #11 (although I do think that's a bit low).
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndic...-regular-season-edition-point-guards.amp.html
 
Lovebaskelball said:
Imagine a team getting better when you add James, Love, Smith, and Mosgov.
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WildMoon said:
You make it sound like they added just Lebron. The whole team got revamped and the team is willing to go way over cap.



He's not top 3. That's absurd.(I know you aren't saying it)
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Something has to give, either Lebron really is that good, or other great players want to play with him. since 2000, the first 3 years without LJ, .308 win percentage, next 7 years with LJ, .608 win percentage, then 4 years without, .321 win percentage, then the last 3 years with him, .654 win percentage. Maybe Lebron really is that good. I'm not saying they didn't add players, clearly they did, but one of the two or a combination has to be correct. They have had 10 years of Lebron in the 17 seasons since 2000, and the lowest win total while he was in town was 35, his rookie year. The highest win total in the other 7, 33 the year before LeBron returned from Miami.

Having said all of that, this is much more of a front office issue than anything. In 10 years of having the best player on the planet and you can only manage to build one title team? LeBron may be part of the issue, but at some point, somebody has got to get control of the personnel. If LeBron had a supporting cast similar to Durant at Golden State, I bet all those going to LA rumors would pipe down considerably.
 
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weatherbird said:
Something has to give, either Lebron really is that good, or other great players want to play with him. since 2000, the first 3 years without LJ, .308 win percentage, next 7 years with LJ, .608 win percentage, then 4 years without, .321 win percentage, then the last 3 years with him, .654 win percentage. Maybe Lebron really is that good. I'm not saying they didn't add players, clearly they did, but one of the two or a combination has to be correct. They have had 10 years of Lebron in the 17 seasons since 2000, and the lowest win total while he was in town was 35, his rookie year. The highest win total in the other 7, 33 the year before LeBron returned from Miami.

Having said all of that, this is much more of a front office issue than anything. In 10 years of having the best player on the planet and you can only manage to build one title team? LeBron may be part of the issue, but at some point, somebody has got to get control of the personnel. If LeBron had a supporting cast similar to Durant at Golden State, I bet all those going to LA rumors would pipe down considerably.
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Not sure but I never really said Lebron is the problem. My comment is that they added more than Lebron.

Lebron' only problem is he is too controlling. He isn't a great GM but plays that role too much.
 
kentuckykowboy8 said:
Westbrook, Curry, Paul, and Wall are clearly superior (I don't consider Harden a PG). Irving is in the second tier of PG's: Irving, Lilliard, Walker, Lowry, Thomas, etc.

Honestly I think Lilliard is exactly what Irving would look like on another team. Both are great offensively and terrible on the defensive side.

Here's a recent PG ranking. Kyrie is #11 (although I do think that's a bit low).
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndic...-regular-season-edition-point-guards.amp.html
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Wall isn't clearly superior to Irving. They're both the next best PGs in the NBA after Curry, Westbrook and Irving.
 
dvillecatfan said:
2013-14 Cavaliers 33-49 .402 10th, East Conference
2012-13 Cavaliers 24-58 .293 13th, East Conference
2011-12 * Cavaliers 21-45 .318 13th, East Conference
Kyrie Irving cavs record WITHOUT LBJ

2016-17 Cavaliers 51-31 .622 2nd, East Conference
2015-16 Cavaliers 57-25 .695 1st, East Conference
2014-15 Cavaliers 53-29 .646 2nd, East Conference
Kyrie Irving cavs record WITH LBJ...add in 3 finals appearances with 1 title
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LOL you mean when Kyrie was just 19, 20 and 21 years old? Of course that team is going to have a shitty record. His supporting cast was god awful.
 
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Kyrie is a shoot first Kemba Walker type point guard. I wouldn't build a team around him. NO WAY.
The point you build around has to be a 10 assist type point guard like a Chris Paul imo. A guy who looks for his teammates first. John Wall is a point guard you build around not Kryie.
 
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Cardsstink said:
Embarassing to watch people that make so much money act like such children. Just another reason the NBA sucks (other than watching Cousins and Davis together, which is must see TV).
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It's good for the rivalry, but Kyrie comes off as a little b#tch, IMO. None of the Warriors would be making fun of their teammates with Lebron leading the way.
 
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Mike-D said:
It's good for the rivalry, but Kyrie comes off as a little b#tch, IMO. None of the Warriors would be making fun of their teammates with Lebron leading the way.
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Lebron's a b*itch also. That time he was making fun of Lonzo Ball's shot showed him to be an immature schmuck. Lonzo has done absolutely nothing to disrespect anyone during all of this madness.
 
Kyrie is good but he's a much bigger little bit$h than Lebron . Although Lebron has his moments.


Also, twitter / everyone was making fun of lonzo ball (and still does ) is it unfair ? Prolly yeah- but unfortunately he has an imbecile for a father.
#crestwhitestrips
 
I know they have 45 yr old Derek rose now and lebron who lets be honest his skills will start to decline he's 34 unless he's Barry bonds he won't get better. That said it's starts with the ownership dan Gilbert sucks. Shouldn't of fired griffin. If lebron wants a good pg he will have to go to them after this yr. I pray it's not the Lakers. Especially with lavar and what his dad said about lebrons kids. I would love to see him go to D.C. And play with wall. Irving wants to be the man problem is not one pg that is the man has a ring. Curry had Thompson and the balls guy, before Durant. No dominant pg will ever win a title on their own ask Westbrook who I would say is the best pg in the league. Ask harden the best 2g in the league to show you his rings.
 
Cardsstink said:
Lebron's a b*itch also. That time he was making fun of Lonzo Ball's shot showed him to be an immature schmuck. Lonzo has done absolutely nothing to disrespect anyone during all of this madness.
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Missed that. It's his dads fault. Won't just be Lebron giving him crap.

Also, Lebron deserves to be made fun of for that stupid video, but not by a teammate.
 
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cawoodsct said:
Why, if I'm Kyrie am I helping LeBron get back to the finals knowing he is leaving me next year. I maybe in the minority but I love this trade move by Kyrie. I have zero problems with LeBron but you are about to leave me in a year, why the touch do I show you loyalty. And by the way I don't buy this Kyrie wants to be the man angle. If LeBron would show Kyrie some loyalty he would show him some. But since you are getting out ill get out now to secure my future. JMO.
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this deserves a bump...posters keep arguing that Kyrie can't be the man...but, I strongly believe this is Kyrie's motivation as well.
And, IF he stays it will put pressure on the Cavs to bring in another great player when Lebron leaves or then Kyrie is gone before 2019 season begins
 
Kyrie Irving got to play with Lebron..

Wall got to play with Javale McGee and Andray Blatche..

Don't give a shit what some player's Win Shares are when these teams couldn't be any more different, on a success level..

ALso, Wall's defensive statistics are all a notch better than Irving. "Neither is a particularly good defender" isn't a fair statement. Wall is, at least, a decent defender.

Wall was 2nd in SPG.. and he's 2nd among PG's in BPG.. That isn't "not particularly good"
 
Kyrie is not a top 3 point guard. Curry, Wall, CP3, and Westbrook are all better than him. If we're counting Harden, him too.

At best, he's #6. At worst, he's 8-10.
 
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Blue63Madison said:
He's top three getting to the rim. Maybe even #1 in that category. But as an actual point guard; passing, setting up, distributing, etc ... I wouldn't want him on my team.
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I agree in that I don't think he is top 3 either. I wanted to know who the other 2 were so I would know who he thought Kyrie was better than.
 
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