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What is it these other coaches are using against cal this year. In the past he saw a player we tended to get them but this class they all seemed to be running from Ky and Cal. I mean really Mississippi State, LSU, and Kansas why? What are they saying or offering to these kids that they don't want any part of us.
 
It's too difficult to play at UK, so why not come to (insert school) where you can get a lot of minutes, without that stupid platooning & all that pressure. Plus, UK can't even win a title with four first round draft choices, so come here & we'll have as good or better shot than they do....And did I mention lots of minutes & no pressure?

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buck8113 said:
What is it these other coaches are using against cal this year. In the past he saw a player we tended to get them but this class they all seemed to be running from Ky and Cal. I mean really Mississippi State, LSU, and Kansas why? What are they saying or offering to these kids that they don't want any part of us.
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It's like the old Jerry Reed song"When you're hot you're hot,when you're not you're not"

When you live and die with OAD stuff like this happens,of course we aren't dead but we are in ICU.

A weak class all wanting to be the man,we didn't win it all when we should have and where the top kids were located ,it all came together to cost us in the end.

In the words of Mick Jagger "You don't always get what you want"
 
Spica Orbit said:
It's too difficult to play at UK, so why not come to (insert school) where you can get a lot of minutes, without that stupid platooning & all that pressure. Plus, UK can't even win a title with four first round draft choices, so come here & we'll have as good or better shot than they do....And did I mention lots of minutes & no pressure?

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I just don't know. I do think our current roster scared kids away. Poythress is a 4th year 5 star who would start regardless of who comes. Skal projected number 1 draft pick will start, Ullis and Briscoe both 5 star guards will start. Lee a McDonald's AA will get a lot of minutes. Willis and Hawkins both 3 year players will get minutes due to experience. Matthews is a 4 star with a huge upside. Now add Our juco kid today. Newman wanted to be the man. That wasn't happening. Diallo would play behind POY and Skal. I can understand a little but I also agree not winning with arguably one of the most talented teams ever assembled in 2010, 2014, and 2015 has taken some lustre off UK. Having said that I guess we are a little spoiled we still have a top 5 class and should be a top 25 team next year with a chance to go to the sweet 16 or so.
 
docholiday51 said:
of course we aren't dead but we are in ICU.
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I'm baffled by comments like this. Yeah, UK has swung and missed this spring, but they still have the #2 recruiting class, with arguably the top player in the class, who is also projected to be te #1 pick in the draft, the #1 PG, and a top 40player who has the heart, potential and motor to possibly be another lockdown defender/slasher in the mold of Liggins and MKG. If UK's recruiting is in ICU, then the rest of the nation must be flatlining.
 
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There are some very spoiled people on this site, our current class makes 1998 look like a B team. We will be good when it counts, really that's all that matters. Go CATS !!!!!!!!
 
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Maybe it's NOT that what other coaches use against Cal, but instead that other coaches have learned how to copy Cal and his recruiting techniques.

It's no secret that Cal was ahead of the curve in understanding the implications of the one and done rule and how to attract kids in this new era. And that caused his recruiting to leap way ahead of the pack at Memphis (and later UK) in the years right the rule was instituted, whereas coaches resistant to change fell behind. Well, they're not so resistant to change anymore, they're now doing the same stuff as Cal.

Great example is coach K. In the early one and done years Coach K avoided players he know only wanted to stay one season, and instead focused on good, but not "NBA great" prospects like Greg Paulus, Jon Scheyer, Singler, Andre Dawkins, etc. And Duke fell behind during those years. But in the last couple years Coach K starts chasing the one dones just as vociferously as Cal, and lo and behold, Duke soars back to the top.

Competition for the one and dones is getting fiercer with more coaches learning how to play the game.
 
I love UK but guys tell me when you look back at this year and think things over were we all that sure we went 38-1 I get that but did you look at this team and say hell yes 1996 all over again I don't think so I feel like this team with no pressure could prove to be real good what you think
 
I don't know but I'm just ready for this class to get the hell on and be through. Something's definitely up with a lot of these kid's. Who knows. I'm ready for the 16 class where the kid's' will have some sense.
 
buck8113 said:
What is it these other coaches are using against cal this year. In the past he saw a player we tended to get them but this class they all seemed to be running from Ky and Cal. I mean really Mississippi State, LSU, and Kansas why? What are they saying or offering to these kids that they don't want any part of us.
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All of them? Didn't we sign 4 last year also?
 
jguynn said:
I love UK but guys tell me when you look back at this year and think things over were we all that sure we went 38-1 I get that but did you look at this team and say hell yes 1996 all over again I don't think so I feel like this team with no pressure could prove to be real good what you think
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Huh???
 
jameslee32 said:
:D you go doc!!
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Kansas has gotten someone on their recruiting team with very strong ties, and of course we are all biased but still I THINK if I am a five star I would want to go to a team that made the Final Four a yearly event vs one who flames out consistently. I believe there is more to this than meets the eye maybe they don't want to play with some of our guys I know Diallo bragged on Briscoe...it sure seemed that Briscoe was dominating the ball trying to show up Blakeney and lost game when Diallo was carving them up and he would t give him the ball down the stretch.
 
I think a lot of these kids have been treated like they are the man their whole life, and they don't want to share the spotlight.
 
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DwayneMeighan said:
I'm baffled by comments like this. Yeah, UK has swung and missed this spring, but they still have the #2 recruiting class, with arguably the top player in the class, who is also projected to be te #1 pick in the draft, the #1 PG, and a top 40player who has the heart, potential and motor to possibly be another lockdown defender/slasher in the mold of Liggins and MKG. If UK's recruiting is in ICU, then the rest of the nation must be flatlining.
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It as a play on words,we did o.k. but it terms of what most fans and probably even Cal himself expected we didn't meet the standard..Living in the world of OAD we didn't fare all that well in terms of meeting needs.If you think we did you are kidding yourself
 
Still amazed how many of you really believed that UK's roster would have 10 starters again.

Last season was the exception, not the norm. They had the twins and WCS decide to stay, which Cal never expected. And after this season when 7 decided to leave there was just no way to replace them with 7 more players worthy of starter's minutes.

UK is not somehow falling behind talent-wise. They are returning to normal. That is all.
 
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WildcatfaninOhio said:
Still amazed how many of you really believed that UK's roster would have 10 starters again.

Last season was the exception, not the norm. They had the twins and WCS decide to stay, which Cal never expected. And after this season when 7 decided to leave there was just no way to replace them with 7 more players worthy of starter's minutes.

UK is not somehow falling behind talent-wise. They are returning to normal. That is all.
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Kudos man. That is the best and probably most realistic take on this board pertaining to recruiting this year. I wish you start a thread and explain this to people. This seems to be exactly the case. But everyones blue glasses are so thick, they can't see the forest.
 
WildcatfaninOhio said:
Still amazed how many of you really believed that UK's roster would have 10 starters again.

Last season was the exception, not the norm. They had the twins and WCS decide to stay, which Cal never expected. And after this season when 7 decided to leave there was just no way to replace them with 7 more players worthy of starter's minutes.

UK is not somehow falling behind talent-wise. They are returning to normal. That is all.
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its arguable both ways. his 2009, 2010, 2011 & 2013 classes were all crazy loaded. a potential number one pick may be worth more than i realize, but those other classes had two lottery picks at least per class. all but one actually with 3+. now is ulis or poythress a lottery pick? we don't know right now, i see two in briscoe and skal though. that's a lot of talent but... wall/cousins/bledsoe, lamb/jones/knight/kanter, davis/teague/gilchrist/wiltjer randle/young/johnson/twins... those are blockbuster classes all of them.

we want that one more guy to complete the norm we're use to. we are still like last year in that we had 3 guys return. 3 of them could have turned professional one way or the other. lee, poy, ulis. the norm is they'd have gone and we'd have another two studs filling out our five. i still like it this way. reminds me of 2011 when we had miller and liggins coming back. if one of matthews, mulder step up or we sign murray, then with skal i think we may be even better against the field than in 2011. poy, lee, ulis is pretty good returning talent.

two freshman lottery picks plus 3-5 returnees is the recent trend. who is returning is what matters. losing 7 is not normal, but we could have lost more. with 5 returnees and cal saying 2-3 more after the number one class anyway, yeah a platoon seemed possible. especially with willis and hawkins being upper classman and lee probably not starting. if we signed diallo yeah i think we could have platooned.
 
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TNCatfanforever said:
Having said that I guess we are a little spoiled we still have a top 5 class and should be a top 25 team next year with a chance to go to the sweet 16 or so.
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How are we spoiled? Calipari has created a system that holds the door for kids to leave as quickly as possible. We, as fans, have totally bought in. We support them and treat them like royalty while they're in Lexington - and even after they leave.

That system is also based on getting new kids in order to replace those leaving. It's the way UK has competed for the six years Calipari has been here. When we don't replace 7 guys are leaving with adequate reinforcements - the fans aren't acting "spoiled" by bringing attention to some glaring roster needs. I think most UK fans would have been totally okay with signing one major recruit this spring, and I don't think that is asking too much based on the 7 departures and subsequent minutes opening up.

One more thing, I also think you can gauge our fans by how well they took the most disappointing loss in Kentucky's modern history about a month ago. We're actually pretty reasonable.
 
docholiday51 said:
It as a play on words,we did o.k. but it terms of what most fans and probably even Cal himself expected we didn't meet the standard..Living in the world of OAD we didn't fare all that well in terms of meeting needs.If you think we did you are kidding yourself
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Doc he is a sunshine pumper, don't waste your time. I understand what you were saying,as most posters did.
 
I think it was a combination of things. I think Cal thought that Booker and possibly Dakari were returning, and they didn't, which left him scrambling to fill those positions, which he had not recruited heavily. This class only had a few OAD's in it, and that is all he went after, since he didn't want to mess up the 2016 class, which is much stronger. Then I think that coaches are telling these kids, "look at all the talent they had, and still couldn't win it".
Whatever the reason, Cal seems to learn from these situations and I think we will have a sweet sixteen year, followed by another great recruiting class.
 
WildcatfaninOhio said:
Last season was the exception, not the norm. They had the twins and WCS decide to stay, which Cal never expected. And after this season when 7 decided to leave there was just no way to replace them with 7 more players worthy of starter's minutes.
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If you have been following the true pulse of UK fans - I don't think many of us actually expected more than one 5 star this spring - not after Zimmerman said "no thanks" anyway. The lofty expectations for an elite-level group probably died the second he went elsewhere. In fact, I'm certain that most of us would have gladly accepted just one top kid this spring. Cal even expected "2 to 3 more" originally, as he was going to get some new kids "to chase their dreams." He's even alluded to the idea - on multiple occasions, no less - that he expected to land some more NBA-level kids this spring.

Something went horribly wrong this spring, and it had nothing to do with whether UK fans expected 10 starter-level players next year - because the reality is most of us did not.
 
buck8113 said:
What is it these other coaches are using against cal this year. In the past he saw a player we tended to get them but this class they all seemed to be running from Ky and Cal. I mean really Mississippi State, LSU, and Kansas why? What are they saying or offering to these kids that they don't want any part of us.
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Whatever it is Calipari needs to figure it out too. He got seriously abused this recruiting cycle.
 
We have the #2 recruiting class in the country, with the possibility to move up to #1 if we can add either Brown or Murray, but according to some people..

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mrschwump said:
Whatever it is Calipari needs to figure it out too. He got seriously abused this recruiting cycle.
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247Sports has UK #1 and no worse than #3 composite recruiting class for 2015. Abused? Good lord we have some dumb fans.
 
I think what everyone is worried about is the fact that we had 7 NBA guys on a team, 4 of them probably in the lottery or no worse than top 20...and we couldn't win the title...so with is left over, having a top 3 class just isn't going to get us back in the title hunt. We needed another historical class, and it isn't happening.
 
I can imagine it going something like this - "Look, (insert name) I've got to be honest with you here, if you go to Kentucky, you won't really be appreciated like you will here, you'll just be a part of the puzzle, where here you'll be the main man. Hell (insert name), if you only want to play 18 minutes a game maybe it is for you, but here we're offering starters minutes here to showcase your talents where you stand apart from the crowd. Here the focus is centered on you and we're going to tailor our (offense/defense) to enhance your (insert skills here) on a national stage. Look at the end of the day, it's pretty clear Calipari is headed back to the NBA and then you're on an island with no support network - you're better than that (insert name).
 
CatPhight said:
I can imagine it going something like this - "Look, (insert name) I've got to be honest with you here, if you go to Kentucky, you won't really be appreciated like you will here, you'll just be a part of the puzzle, where here you'll be the main man. Hell (insert name), if you only want to play 18 minutes a game maybe it is for you, but here we're offering starters minutes here to showcase your talents where you stand apart from the crowd. Here the focus is centered on you and we're going to tailor our (offense/defense) to enhance your (insert skills here) on a national stage. Look at the end of the day, it's pretty clear Calipari is headed back to the NBA and then you're on an island with no support network - you're better than that (insert name).
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the NBA talk is hurting us more than anything....trust me. All this talk about platooning is just noise, the buzz around him for part of the year wanting to get back to the NBA again, coupled with high-profiled jobs that will be open (OKC, Bulls, likely Cavs), and the fact that Brad Stevens is killing it in the league and considered a top 5-10 coach is a recipe for disaster for us. Oh, and the fact that Cal has openly said the main/only reason he didn't take the Cavs job is because all of his guys came back. Add it up...
 
W_Heisenberg said:
the NBA talk is hurting us more than anything....trust me. All this talk about platooning is just noise, the buzz around him for part of the year wanting to get back to the NBA again, coupled with high-profiled jobs that will be open (OKC, Bulls, likely Cavs), and the fact that Brad Stevens is killing it in the league and considered a top 5-10 coach is a recipe for disaster for us. Oh, and the fact that Cal has openly said the main/only reason he didn't take the Cavs job is because all of his guys came back. Add it up...
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You're beyond mistaken if you don't think prima donna ego's aren't being soothed, stroked and manipulated for gain - it's a huge selling point to stand out above the others, especially for kids who have been told this all their lives - "you da man!"
 
CatPhight said:
You're beyond mistaken if you don't think prima donna ego's aren't being soothed, stroked and manipulated for gain - it's a huge selling point to stand out above the others, especially for kids who have been told this all their lives - "you da man!"
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Think whatever you want, but I'm right.
 
CatPhight said:
Yeah, you're right, no coach in their right mind would mention there are less minutes in a platooned system, especially to a kid who only wants to play 38 per game.

Sounds pretty irrelevant.
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The point isn't if there are reduced minutes in a platoon system....of COURSE there are. The point is we DON'T PLATOON with only exception being half a season during Cal's 20 year career. I don't know why this is so hard to understand, some of you act like the platoon is equal to the dribble drive, like it's part of what we do...it' s not.

The platoon talk is not hurting us, this is 1) a weird class and 2) serious buzz about Cal looking to NBA if the right job is open.
 
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